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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2018, 05:11:24 pm »
Hello Adam and first, thank you very much for joining. I didn't expect to be confounded by a math genius but I suppose I asked for it. Not only can I not disprove your calculations, I also wouldn't be able to find any errors. I will say that I do not believe maths can prove a globe and in fact I know they don't. If they did, the debate would have never started and would certainly be over by now.

If you can wait a few days and possibly more but I will try sooner than later, I'd like to invite my partner to join the forum and take a look at your post. He may or may not reply or even join but he is a very good friend and I think he will. I apologize for not being up to the calculations as it is is my weak area.

I believe every word of the Bible and God's description of earth and I can and will thoroughly debate the scriptures on this topic in my Biblical Flat Earth thread. Again, thank you and can I ask how you found us?



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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2018, 09:31:06 pm »
Thank you for the welcome.  I was glad to join.

Yeah, my post definitely doesn't prove the Earth to be a globe.  It is only meant to show that it cannot be flat.  I was trying to stay within the title of the post: "Can You Debunk Flat Earth?".

I found this site from this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/650910952370161720/ that showed up in the "More like this" section under this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/787004103605115878/

I believe in the Bible, but feel that many verses are mistranslated, believe a few were accidentally altered, and believe that some were intentionally altered to fit a preconceived theology (or to actively change it).  So any verses related to the shape of the Earth will need to include context and likely the Strong number of the original Hebrew word.  So I am less inclined to debate scripture, because so many are open to interpretation.  My previous experiences have all resulted in neither party swaying.  They just felt like a waste of time.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2018, 09:49:21 pm »
Thank you for the welcome.  I was glad to join.

Yeah, my post definitely doesn't prove the Earth to be a globe.  It is only meant to show that it cannot be flat.  I was trying to stay within the title of the post: "Can You Debunk Flat Earth?".

I found this site from this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/650910952370161720/ that showed up in the "More like this" section under this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/787004103605115878/

I believe in the Bible, but feel that many verses are mistranslated, believe a few were accidentally altered, and believe that some were intentionally altered to fit a preconceived theology (or to actively change it).  So any verses related to the shape of the Earth will need to include context and likely the Strong number of the original Hebrew word.  So I am less inclined to debate scripture, because so many are open to interpretation.  My previous experiences have all resulted in neither party swaying.  They just felt like a waste of time.
You're right and I'm late to the game but I'm hoping more people keep questioning the science and the globe math and discovering flat earth. Apparently it was really hot back in 2014-15. It is a passion of mine because I am a literalist unless it isn't. I think I have a good discernment and I read in the spirit.

For instance, the entire globe/solar system model with endless space, evolution and alien life etc but I digress . . . For now just the Copernican model of the cosmos. It cannot be explained when one reads and believes Joshua 10. The sun and moon stop for about a whole day. Can't happen unless the earth is motionless like the  Bible says over 100 times (maybe 200). Unless the entire universe stopped it was the earth that stands still.

For me, 10.5 months in to research and debate it's over. Curvature has been disproved by P900 and P1000 cameras, lasers and hundreds of tests and experiments. The globe only exists in the mind. Pictures, images and drawings. All fake. Only a few people alive have allegedly seen earth from outer space. Too many holes in gravity and three dozen too many theories regarding cosmology. They know nothing as far as I'm concerned.

I believe this is exactly the great deception satan would use to lead billions away from our Creator. It has been a spiritual battle since the garden and that's why I do this. Flat earth leads people to Christ and I have video testimonies to post some time. Personally, I love talking about this topic as to me it's the most important thing we could be thinking about behind God and family. I'm not married and no kids and retired so I have the time.

I believe with all my heart and soul after MUCH research into many aspects of the flat earth topic that we have been lied to for 500 years and it began in my estimation with the Jesuits and Freemasons.




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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2018, 10:16:38 pm »
I think a valuable addition to this Flat Earth subsection would be a sticky post listing all the important dimensions of your model.  I would be interested in knowing the elevation of the sun, moon, and stars in your model, as well as the circumference (or diameter) of the ice wall.
A devout Christian that believes the Earth to be a globe.  I'm not here to convert you, but will explain why I believe the Earth to be a globe.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2018, 02:16:10 am »
I think a valuable addition to this Flat Earth subsection would be a sticky post listing all the important dimensions of your model.  I would be interested in knowing the elevation of the sun, moon, and stars in your model, as well as the circumference (or diameter) of the ice wall.

As far as the ice wall goes, it is between 50,000 miles to 70,000 miles in circumference.

As far as the elevation goes for the sun, moon and stars it is impossible to know.

All those bodies in the sky can do is help us figure our positions on earth.

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2It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to search it out. 3As the heavens are high and the earth is deep, so the hearts of kings cannot be searched.

King James Bible
The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.

Jeremiah 31:37 (ASV) Thus saith Jehovah: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith Jehovah.

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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2018, 05:20:33 pm »
5 TIMES WE SAW WAY TOO FAR! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!


With the increased efforts to find the curve, researchers have found that we are able to see much further than we should. I've compiled some of the best examples that some talented researchers have been able to capture.

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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2018, 06:27:55 pm »
OK, so they've scaled up the Bedford Level experiment. What you're looking at is the curvature of spacetime near the massive body which is the earth. The astronomical version of this phenomena is called a gravitational lens.

http://w.astro.berkeley.edu/~jcohn/lens.html

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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2018, 08:44:23 pm »
OK, so they've scaled up the Bedford Level experiment. What you're looking at is the curvature of spacetime near the massive body which is the earth. The astronomical version of this phenomena is called a gravitational lens.

http://w.astro.berkeley.edu/~jcohn/lens.html

Cute.

But even gravitational lensing does not bring anything into sight that is not already at least partially visible from the observers point of view. ;)

Therefore it is irrelevant as to the point that one should not be able to see those distant mountains.




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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2018, 09:16:46 pm »
For every video that supposedly shows a distance that should have been obscured by the curvature of the Earth (caused by refraction), there is a video that clearly shows the curvature of the Earth obscuring something (caused by perspective?).  I stopped caring about videos like those when I realized that neither side was going to convince anyone with such videos.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2018, 10:25:10 pm »
But even gravitational lensing does not bring anything into sight that is not already at least partially visible from the observers point of view. ;)
In theory it could. Lensing bends light, and bent light can go around obstructions.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2018, 07:58:49 pm »
But even gravitational lensing does not bring anything into sight that is not already at least partially visible from the observers point of view. ;)
In theory it could. Lensing bends light, and bent light can go around obstructions.


When you find a physical example let me know.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2018, 03:11:38 pm »
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When you find a physical example let me know.

if you can't understand the theory then how could you interpret the observation?
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