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Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« on: July 31, 2018, 10:18:46 am »










Biblical Cosmology

We'll get into "science" after this first few posts.


The Ancient Conflict : According to scripture we are all born into a spiritual war. It's an invisible war and it's not broadcast on the evening news. The vast majority of people are oblivious to this.

When the serpent entered the garden and tempted Eve and hence, Adam, to disobey God and as a result, sin and death entered the flat earth and put a curse on humanity. Some time after when mankind continued to populate the earth, the first full assault on humanity was launched.

It could be likened to an alien invasion except these fallen entities didn't come from a distant galaxy or some far off star "system". They descended from above (hard to do on a globe), and together they conspired to abandon their assigned posts in the firmament. Where the ether carried their luminescence to the Four Corners of the earth.

These watcher angels had fallen from their first estate which God set for them (scriptural proof available for all of my Biblical references). They came down and began a sort of colonization or campaign. They sired the Nephilum, their hybrid abomination offspring, who ravaged the land and fed on men. They corrupted the genetics of humanity, animals and plants.

Using the knowledge they had been given by God to perform their original tasks in the heavens, they proceeded to teach mankind many forbidden things. In order to civilize man and equip them to build cities and kingdoms where these fallen angelic beings could rule as gods.

The knowledge bestowed to mankind was presented as being "keys" to enlightenment and the know-how to eventually take our seats beside them as gods, through "technology". These were all lies bringing nothing but destruction, perversion, wickedness and death. God finally became so grieved by man's evil and wickedness and the corruption of His creation He chose to destroy the earth with water and begin again.

Sparing one worthy family and the animals that they took. When the water receded the earth had been cleansed from the evil that was destroying it. God promised Noah that He would never again destroy with water and set a rainbow in the sky as a sign of this covenant. The great empires of the watchers had been erased.

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The angels that conspired against God were banished to the deepest bowels of the earth, held there in darkness until the time of the final judgement of all things. But no sooner than the earth started filling again with trees and plants and animals etc., and mankind was multiplying in the earth again did the enemy start working seeking to rebuild what God destroyed.

satan's beloved empire whose sole purpose was the destruction and enslavement of mankind. But no longer did the enemy have the power to send his minions to the earth to take wives and build cities. No longer could they walk among men and be revered. The satanic kingdom now had to be done though the worshiping of invisible deities forced to orchestrate their rule through interdimensional communication.

Since God had bound them behind a spiritual veil, once again forbidden knowledge was spread among these newly formed nations. So in the courts of all the human kingdoms worked a host of occult priesthoods, sorcerers, mediums, astrologers and practitioners of divination.

People started sacrificing to these false idols to show their loyalty to the false gods, building temples, having orgies and such. The rebellion against God resumed as Nimrod attempted and failed to build a tower into the heavens and throughout all of the kingdoms of the earth the languages were confused by God.

After centuries go by and the wickedness and occult and pagan practices were increasing, God chose to intervene again.




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The Conspiracy That Is Not
I will create a spoiler to contain this post but for now, this is a basic and short explanation of why there is no huge conspiracy with flat earth. Number one is nobody believes flat earth.

Just an update. I have a lot to cover with this subject and hopefully the first dozen posts give a good overview of Biblical Flat Earth. I haven't gotten to the scriptures yest but I will. Please look at the post at the top of this page also.

The biggest question people have and the biggest reason they will not research flat earth is because they think millions or at least tens of thousands of people would have to be "in on it" - Not so. Only 24 people are alleged to have ever been high enough to see a globe from space. Most are deceased. 24 people and whoever might have seen REAL ACTUAL IMAGES.

Conspiracies work on levels, layers. Like an onion. Everybody already believes in a globe so it's not hard to keep something a secret. Pilots don't goe high enough, satellite employees and contractors each do individual things with no knowledge of what they do in fake space.

The calculations and specifications are set to a globe because that's how they set them. They can easily use the same mathematics in flat earth. They don't know. GPS employees and Direct TV employees don't know. None of the above mentioned people CAN know.

So who is left? Lifetime appointed military and intelligence people and very few I would imagine. No temporary employee politicians will ever know. Trump has no clue. Perhaps certain world leaders and powerful men have know.

Even Einstein had no clue. No picture until 1972 and that's the ONLY one. Make sense? The point is that this is NOT a massive conspiracy involving millions of people that either lie or are just to stupid to know they are being duped.

Think about this. The globe only exists in your mind. No real images exist. Cartoons. CGI. Photo Shop. Artist drawings. Digital Creations. Outer Space is only in the movies and TV. You have NEVER seen it but by looking at the sky. Billions of people are in love with fake space pictures and propaganda. The globe in only in your imagination.

Imagine that the Holy Bible is true and that we are the center and focus of God's creation. We are in an enclosed flat earth and cosmos with a dome firmament above. Exactly like the Bible says. If you research the history of the occult and how it became science and the history of controlled cosmology and all of the numerous connections you'll see what I see. 8 months so far.






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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2018, 10:22:42 am »
A New Nation : God intervened again by setting apart a nation, a people, a kingdom to bear His name. From Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, down through Moses, Aaron and Joshua, Judges like Samson and Gideon, Kings like David and Solomon, Prophets like Elijah, Daniel and Samuel. Through the rise and fall of many demonic empires.

The God of all creation revealed Himself and His plan to redeem humanity from the curse of sin (and later as in now, the curse of the law), and death and demonic oppression. Finally, from the town of Nazareth the Promised Messiah emerged, the Son of God, the Word made flesh, whose sacrifice would free the world from the curse, who would save mankind and make it possible for us to be reborn in the Spirit.

Jesus Christ would now live IN us, and from that point until present the spiritual war took on a new twist. For decades and centuries after the resurrection the word of and truth of God began to spread through Christianity. Freeing mankind from the bondage of sin that had held them captive for generations. For the first time since the flood, people began to understand who and what they had been in servitude to the pagan kingdoms.

Throughout Asia, Europe and parts of Africa, the truth of God and Christ kept spreading, increasing, declining and increasing again over centuries. satan used his puppet emperors of the Roman empire to torture, imprison and persecute the first Christians. This only revealed more the power of the gospel of Christ and the hope of eternal life that He brought to bear.

Faith in Christ spread abroad. The Roman empire crumbled under it's own heathen weight. Now satan began to re-brand his agenda from trying to crush the spread of the truth of Christ to usurping it. Now satan began re-branding some of the old demonic kingdoms and demonic occult priesthoods and "Christianizing" them.

Seducing people with wealth, power and earthly pleasures and corrupt the Church of Christ from within. Pagan temples were "re-purposed" as Christian temples, pagan rites and rituals were re-purposed into Christian ceremonies etc. The Catholic church played a big role and still do. But nearer the beginnings and for centuries, scores of thousands of people were kept far from the Bible.

But by the grace of God the truth endured and the gospel spread. The age of Imperialism came and despite the evils of Imperialism, the gospel spread with it's spread though ships and colonization. The kingdom of satan was amplified but he was continually forced to work from the shadows. The occult knowledge and pagan rituals that went back to ancient Babylon were preserved through the centuries by various strains of secret societies, esoteric mystery schools and underground brotherhoods.

This is where it remained for the most part, in the shadows, but as much control over the earth that satan had through governments, military and financial means, the truth of God was so widespread that hardly anyone OPENLY worshiped Lucifer. Witchcraft and Luciferian beliefs were not something that populations as a whole would readily and openly accept.

This is something that satan would have to achieve if he were to rule the world and declare himself to be God. In order to get the world back to where satan wanted it he had to implement another strategy. Something so big that eve those who know that satan exists wouldn't thin he could pull off. In ancient times and even recently people were still aware of the realm that God created for us to live in.

When the truth of Jesus Christ was made known, the Biblical Cosmology had been given it's full context. The distinction between the creator and creation was made clear and the futility of the fallen angels' rebellion was made plain to see. In order for satan to claim he is the supreme being and worthy of our worship, he would have to rewrite the entire script.

He would have to repackage himself and his message he reset the setting and the stage itself like an old Shakespearean play to reintroduce the old characters. satan needed a whole new angle. Yet he did it with an old familiar tactic. Bestowing ancient wisdom and forbidden knowledge to humanity again, playing upon our pride and arrogance.


This occult knowledge and "gnosis" was now called SCIENCE.



Science and the Occult
Much of the groundwork had already been laid in ancient Greece and the "Philosophers" who actually studied the occult practices and mystery schools before Jesus was born. They then proceeded to pontificate on these demonic occult practices and pagan rituals.This effectively sanitized these beliefs and practices because they were legitimized by these philosophers.

Later generations saw these men as wise and educated and simply the profound thoughts and musings of mere men. During the Renaissance in Europe, many of these ideas once again began to take hold as they were increasingly considered harmonious with the Bible, which we know is not true. Slowly these ideas became embedded within theology and theologians and academia, as well as things related to Hermes Trismegistus and the like.

All of this translated into Latin and disseminated among intellectuals with interest in such material. The Kabbala too began being studied anew by many monks and "thinkers" and together with writings on Alchemy which "allegedly" came from Muslim mystics, these three veins of occult knowledge began to spread.

How little do most students realize that the bulk of those individuals revered today as being the pioneers and visionaries of materialistic science were in fact greatly influenced by concepts, teachings of occult manuscripts with the core tenets of Mysticism. Da Vinci, Newton, Francis Bacon, Robert Flood, Copernicus, all names we learn about in "school".

We learn that these men simply derived their genius discoveries by way of pure observation and logical deduction. However, a further look at the methods and ways they arrived at their "discoveries" and conclusions while all coincidentally reading the same occult mystic materials reveals that no, these "discoveries" were also in ancient mystic teachings.

The Copernican cosmology of a vast universe and planetary systems and even a Big Bang to start it all off can be found in the Kabbalistic texts from long before Copernicus. The concepts of molecules, atoms and chemical reactions, elemental transmutations by way of atomic fusion and fission, were first presented in the more imprecise writings of Alchemy.

The idea that nature and the cosmos were governed by invisible forces and laws which could be discovered and calculated and reapplied through various technological means, are actually underlying precepts of hermeticism. With a lot of help from the well financed occult brotherhoods and secret societies, such as the Rosa Crucians and Freemasons, Jesuits and the Royal Academy, the first institution dedicated to the advancement of "scientific" understanding.

The "universe" suddenly got very very BIG and God became very very removed. To the point that it was believed that the universe could have formed without God. Models of the Copernican THEORY were expanded and refined. Darwin stepped in to explain how LIFE could have emerged from the primordial ooze long after the had formed after billions of years.

Universities and Lecture Halls largely built, staffed and maintained by the same wealthy "brotherhoods", secret societies and organizations, became hostile territory to anyone who opposed the n"newly discovered" science. The "universe was now presented as a vast almost infinite space with our tiny blue planet somewhere in the middle perhaps.

And now we might "control" this "planet" but we may not be alone. In fact, it's now fairly reasonable to believe alien life exists, even extremely intelligent and advanced life forms. So the stage was set and the same set of characters could emerge with new costumes, they exchanged the robes for white lab coats and space suits.

The 20th century
So much happened in a 100 year span compared to all the centuries before, it would be difficult and daunting to try covering it all here. In a nutshell, satan has established a new but old way of doing business and facilitating and "managing" ways to bring the fallen entities back to earth.

In the halls of academia this science so called can now theoretically disperse the idea the "something" could could come down to earth as in "Aliens" for instance, and so the dimensional or spiritual veil must be considered again.

The barrier that God seems to have put in place to stop the watchers before the Flood. Could fallen angels once again reveal themselves to mankind as alien "saviors" and put in place to "govern" satan's earthly kingdom? Can demonic spirits even now, manifest themselves in the physical realm, inhabiting people, moving objects and attacking individuals? Yes, I believe and at least "perhaps".

Yet the ability for the demonic to manifest in the physical world is still very limited. The Bible seems to indicate that this veil will remain in place until shortly before the return of Jesus Christ. When it will be removed and the spirit of the antichrist will have a period of unprecedented access to earth and humanity one last time before satan meets his own end.

I have a lot of questions and certainly don't have all the answers. I'm not an expert on Biblical eschatology or end times prophecy, and the rise of Scientism and it's roots in occultism. But my recent studies tell me and others that quantum physics and quantum mechanics play a significant role in what the Bible refers to and could be the Great Deception.

Atomism and the progression into modern atomic theory, string theory, dark matter and Massive Hadron Colliders. The atom has long been split with fearsome destructive power or energy producing sources. Has this quantum realm been undeniably proven? Has it? Is it simply coincidence that all of these occult connections exist?

Today's researchers, physics researchers and scientists point to an uncanny multitude of similarities with new age quantum ideas and theories and ancient Kabbalistic and ancient forms of hermeticism, Hindu and Alchemist writings.

Through the history of Atomism we see the familiar trend of an original mystical philosophy crafted into what is now considered only a knowledge and materialistic science base.

Ironically, we have been lead back to these original forms of hermeticism. Has mankind been tricked in to building the very "machines" that will serve as the key to unleashing a large number of entities from a dimensional prison. Led to believe that we are reaching for immortality, when really we are "playing God".

None of us had any idea this modern (last 500 years) was all Kabbalism because we were all told it was science. Science tells us now that string theory can't be debunked yet and that every other rival theory fails in exactly the 10th and the 26th dimensions.

No kidding, really? Just believe. Scientists and especially CERN and related fields idolize these occult ancient teachings, they rave about them and think it's magical. Seduced. Strong Delusion.

They admit, "it's as if somebody is playing a trick on us" and "we don't have a good way of looking at it" - Some think CERN is attempting to reach other dimensions and demonic realms. If you understand what divination is and how the Bible forbids it, because it includes contacting the demonic realms and this is what ALL of occultism really is.

Quantum entanglement is now used as a proof that the ancient occult teachings were correct, as a vindication of science. Of course there are many many more real materialistic scientists who disagree with the "leadership" of the scientific "community" and the tension builds.More and more people are looking at quantum physics as a source and a connection to spirituality, instead of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.

As we can see, the reasons for hiding the truth of the shape of the earth and the truth about the Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos are many. I have posted in this thread about how conspiracies work very smoothly and the "levels of knowledge" as well as the VERY FEW who could possibly have ever seen the earth from high enough in space or the REAL unaltered images which must exist.

Christians and non-Christians should be made aware and research these things and search the scriptures.

Youtube channel : - "the Truth is stranger than fiction" - Documentary Aethereal - The Battle For Heaven and Earth.


It's crazy to think that we've all been learning and teaching what is really Babylonian Mysticism.




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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 12:40:20 pm »
So this is the latest lie from NASA - (Never A Straight Answer) - I'm not buying it, are you? Did they just happen to catch the "bright" side of the moon since we can never see the dark side of the moon here on earth? It's totally CGI or photo shop guaranteed, they all are if you examine the images with the needed software.

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Earth and Moon as seen from the Messenger spacecraft on its way to Mercury.


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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2018, 12:16:20 am »
From @Gleason92 :

"I would like to add a little more to this (from memory) before I carve out some time in the indeterminate future to fully support this claim. Here's the birds eye view of calculating the Moon distance deception.

After crunching the values you are left with one number, let's say for argument's sake that number is 27,000 (I made this up for argument's sake). Now the last step of the formula is to divide 27000 by a factor. We all know divide means to break the whole into smaller pieces. But there's a catch, if you divide any number into ANY value that's between 0-1 you actually have an answer that is GREATER than original.


For example:

8 pieces divided by 4=2 pieces.

But

8 pieces divided by 0.25=32 pieces.

This is one justification of just how sly and cunning this deception truly is. So if trig value for moon distance is 27000, you would divide by a number>1 and reach an answer<27000, in reality, like I alluded to, about 3000 miles. Ahhh but since we MUST account for curve we inject a variable that reduces our divisor to, surprise, a value in between 0-1 effectively increasing the total to>27000 or in this case the alleged 230 thousand miles or so of pure fantasy that is currently alleged as the distance today.

The videographed proof of this rests on YouTube and was presented by user Jeranism and friends. Here's the catch, I firmly believe Jeranism is cointelpro, BUT to remain credible, even the opposition must filter in truth from time to time. Not only is this a time but they placed video shots of the spreadsheet with the formulas on the screen and provided a detailed breakdown of every step of the calculation. So if you'd rather not wait for me to recreate, there's your source.



Masonic Globe Math

Here's the original globe and curvature math if I'm not mistaken :

8 inches per mile squared means as you add each mile to the formula, the curve gets steeper because it's allegedly a ball

So1 mile=8 inches*(1 mile^2)=8 inch "downward sloping curve" 1 mile out, or let's say we want to express that value in feet. 8 inches/12 inches (one foot)=0.666 feet
10 miles=8 inches*(10^2)=800 inches or 66.6 feet
100 miles=8 inches*(100^2)=80,000 inches or 6,666 feet

And this :






Fun math related fact readers. I learned that the distance to the Moon, currently alleged to be about 230,000 miles away requires a special "curvature variable" in the trig formula to conclude this ridiculous value. When you apply the directly observed values to the trigonometry formula, surprise the Moon is about 3,000 miles away. I can revisit my source and lay the formula out here if requested, but it could take some time.

Now to Eratosthenes. His stick experiment "works" because you must assume large and far away sun. If you assume local smaller (think 3,000 miles away, same as moon, as also depicted by the Masons) sun and flat Earth, his experiment yields the same results." My Eratosthenes video is coming soon !!!

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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2018, 11:38:16 am »
So basically, the Bible tells us that there is a dome above the earth, that the earth never moves and the sun and moon DO move and many other descriptions in the Bible can only be for an enclosed flat earth. The military nuked the dome and mapped it using nuclear weapons in the early 60s. elevision and radio waves are used in conjuction with the dome. Now, NASA (Never A Straight Answer) comes out with this garbage, as they always do for "damage control". This is a very interesting link that I found.


May 17, 2017
Space Science Reviews.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...-probes-spot-man-made-barrier-shrouding-earth

NASA's Van Allen Probes Spot Man-Made Barrier Shrouding Earth

Humans have long been shaping Earth’s landscape, but now scientists know we can shape our near-space environment as well. A certain type of communications — very low frequency, or VLF, radio communications — have been found to interact with particles in space, affecting how and where they move. At times, these interactions can create a barrier around Earth against natural high energy particle radiation in space. These results, part of a comprehensive paper on human-induced space weather, were recently published in Space Science Reviews.

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“A number of experiments and observations have figured out that, under the right conditions, radio communications signals in the VLF frequency range can in fact affect the properties of the high-energy radiation environment around the Earth,” said Phil Erickson, assistant director at the MIT Haystack Observatory, Westford, Massachusetts.



VLF signals are transmitted from ground stations at huge powers to communicate with submarines deep in the ocean. While these waves are intended for communications below the surface, they also extend out beyond our atmosphere, shrouding Earth in a VLF bubble. This bubble is even seen by spacecraft high above Earth’s surface, such as NASA’s Van Allen Probes, which study electrons and ions in the near-Earth environment.



The probes have noticed an interesting coincidence — the outward extent of the VLF bubble corresponds almost exactly to the inner edge of the Van Allen radiation belts, a layer of charged particles held in place by Earth’s magnetic fields. Dan Baker, director of the University of Colorado’s Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics in Boulder, coined this lower limit the “impenetrable barrier” and speculates that if there were no human VLF transmissions, the boundary would likely stretch closer to Earth. Indeed, comparisons of the modern extent of the radiation belts from Van Allen Probe data show the inner boundary to be much farther away than its recorded position in satellite data from the 1960s, when VLF transmissions were more limited.



With further study, VLF transmissions may serve as a way to remove excess radiation from the near-Earth environment. Plans are already underway to test VLF transmissions in the upper atmosphere to see if they could remove excess charged particles — which can appear during periods of intense space weather, such as when the sun erupts with giant clouds of particles and energy.




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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2018, 01:24:45 pm »






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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 10:12:49 am »
From my good friend Gleason92 @ Theology Forums, the BIG Forum that I operate. Gleason is more advanced in his research, study and knowledge of flat earth than me perhaps and has years of experience behind him whereas I'm only 8 months into my study & research. Things are heating up in the top echelons of the flat earth "spokespeople" :


The flood as we know was not simply a rainstorm rather the windows of heaven opened so I would gather the levels could be higher than our current ice wall and could have reached the base of the dome beyond the wall. The ice wall may not have even existed in the days of Noah, before the great flood and the current ice could be a remnant from the great flood.

We will never know because the field of academic science and the longest running treaty in the history of humanity has a vested interest in ensuring we never know.

I mean this flood created the geologic column that academia deceptively uses as proof of old Earth while never admitting the perfectly reasonable alternative....a cataclysmic flood could have caused enough trauma to the sample, in a MUCH shorter timeframe, to yield the same results.

This is why it's silly that we are essentially reduced to "who has the biggest..... College credentials". It's the last vestige of a losing argument that begins with willful ignorance of what's already posted in these 70+ pages.

Of course going the "credential" route also can lead to Dr. Robert Sungenis, who is way more studied in academia than the likes of Cobra and xenn and after about 10 years of digging deep into the material concluded we live in a geocentric universe, which your may ascribe to as well and is just a stone's throw from flat Earth truth.

I must admit I have egg on my face. PJ has been promoting the documentary "the principle" for quite some time. I never carved out the time to watch it and felt a little guilty about that.

Now for those serious about flat Earth truth, this is the place to start.

What I didn't really realize, was this was the Kate Mulgrew narrated documentary and I watched it already in 2015 or 2016. See the documentary came out in in October of 14 I believe but there was this hoopla in MSM the prior April because the geniuses in academia cried they were bamboozled into looking foolish for supporting heliocentricity on a geocentrist documentary.

Those fake news articles the prior April were where I first stumbled on the great documentary. Secondly, I only knew of Dr. Sungenis from his Catholic apologetic work, I didn't know he was both a geocentrist since 2003 and the guy who made the principle.

Now, full disclosure, Dr. Sungenis believes the Earth is NOT flat. But the difference between the likes of him vs. A cobra or xenn is he both understands and respects the position and speaks to it intelligently using his education to engage in actual talking points. What he doesn't do is show silly pictures and handwave away all the ahem *problems* with the globe model.

If you have any interest, the latest developments in flat Earth truth are very intriguing.....

Kent Hovind is sick of addressing flat Earth questions directed to him so he recently partnered with Dr. Sungenis to tell the world how wrong we are. But Hovind is a heliocentrist so it's the old enemy of my enemy is my friend.

They then targeted Rob Skiba as the representative of flat Earth. Hovind then challenged Skiba to a debate, this all unfolded the past 2 weeks or so.

Skiba officially responded with a counter offer since it's not exactly fair with 2 on 1. Skiba said Hovind vs. Sungenis debate first on helio vs Geo and he'll debate the winner on flat Earth.

Hovind is pretending that's a solid no to his debate request so he's pretended to move on. I believe yesterday or today is the deadline for Hovind to respond. So if Hovind is a no to the debate, he loses and Skiba vs. Sungenis.

Well last night Skiba uploaded a one hour 45 minute interview between himself and Sungenis that is very enlightening and I highly recommend everyone watches
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2018, 10:52:42 am »




In my mind and with agreement in the flat earth community, the earth is the parts we know and live in surrounded by oceans. In the enclosed flat earth, the oceans are held in by an ice wall that circles what we call earth and thereby containing the water. As the images previous in this thread show and we all know that water MUST BE CONTAINED.

This also lines up perfectly with scripture as shown below as well as in other scriptures. In addition, it is believed that there could be hundreds, at least, or maybe thousands of miles of frozen unreachable land and ice and who knows? BEYOND the 360 degree circle of ice that surrounds us, and are the "bounds" for the waters in the earth, set by God according to scripture. This unknown land and ice and frozen tundra can't be reached and the "edge" can't be found because of distance, temps, weather, fuel capacity, communications and other factors.


People ask about the Four Corners of the earth in scripture and I say the land beyond the ice wall circle COUL D form a square shape with the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, (Isaiah 40:22 KJV - and he knew the difference between a ball and circle , as proven in scripture) and thus forming the Four Corners as shown in the image. Everything makes sense to me in this entire deception and flat earth reality of this earth. Please, never take my word for anything and research for yourself because that's the only way you can decide.



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23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.






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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2018, 02:42:46 pm »
On the second page of this thread or maybe the third page of this thread I will devote a whole page of 15 posts with scripture and Biblical evidence for a Flat Motionless Earth and an Enclosed Earth and Cosmos. This thread will not be for debating flat earth but I have a Debunking Flat Earth Thread here where I will debate all comers, even groups of globers.

Until the next two pages get here enjoy the first posts and videos and thank you for thinking on your own. Research in your spare time and in a few months you can make an educated decision based on the evidence and/or lack of evidence from both sides.

Please, if you begin to research this you must know that the Flat Earth Society is a Fake organization and does NOT represent true Flat Earthers. You don't have to be a Christian to believe what the Bible says or to consider the reality of the earth we live in.








Here is a good video showing what science claims the earth, solar system and galaxy are doing non-stop for 4.7 billion years straight. No fricking way Jose !!! That is NOT what God tells us in the Bible many times over. The video is FOR a globe and is showing what they THINK we are doing. They go sar far as to say - "look the movement of the planets form a Vortex as they fly through space and Vortex means life !!!" What a joke, and most people believe it with no questions. Strong Delusion.


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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2018, 04:05:38 am »






On the second day in the Genesis narrative the Lord calls for there to be a "firmament" in the "midst of the waters" to divide the waters:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
(Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

The term "firmament" and its identity has been one of the greatest puzzles concerning the Creation account, mostly because of its Hebrew definition:

רָקִיעַ raqiya` raw-kee'-ah
from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

רָקַע raqa` raw-kah'
a primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.


Most people interpret this to mean just the expanse of the sky (the atmosphere) or outer space, or both (which it is), but the full meaning goes well beyond that simplistic interpretation. The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of some sort of structure.

Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles. It is rendered as "firmament" in the KJV. The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament). That structure and word choice can be explained in the context of the Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation of Genesis.

Young Earth Creationists have interpreted the "waters above the firmament" as a theoretical "water canopy" which once surrounded the Earth but no longer exists. They cite this as their source for the waters of Noah's flood. This is incorrect, and a concept that does not exactly hold water (pun intended) when closely examined within the literal framework of the Bible's Genesis narrative. The reason is because of what is said in this passage:


"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."
(Genesis 1:14-16 KJV)


This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" the firmament. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those waters that are "above the firmament" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. That means these waters are above the visible cosmos. For some this is a hard pill to swallow, but that is exactly what the Bible is saying.

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens."
(Psalms 148:4 KJV)

The Bible says that all wisdom and knowledge is found in the Lord Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of God (see Colossians 2:3). The same holds true for the Holy Scriptures, the written Word of God. According to the Scriptures, there is a physical/spiritual structure to the universe. The Apostle Paul makes reference to the importance of this knowledge in the book of Ephesians where he wrote:

"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."
(Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV)

Pay close attention to the structure of the grammar. Paul is speaking about two different things in this passage. The first is the structure of things, "the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;" and the second is, "to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge." The important key word here is the conjunction "And" which separates the two clauses. In other words, Paul is saying there are two things the believer can and should know. 1) The dimensions and structure of all things, which can be defined. 2) The love of Christ, which is beyond full comprehension by man. A corollary to the truth of this passage is found in this Old Testament proverb:

"The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings [is] unsearchable."
(Proverbs 25:3 KJV)

The firmament deals with the structure of the present heavens and Earth (Genesis 2:1), as opposed to the structure of the original heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). There is presently a three (3) heavens structure. In the old world of the original creation, there was a different configuration. Let's look back to Genesis 1:6 again and more closely examine that verse to determine that present structure and review something that we previously just touched on:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so."
(Gen 1:6-7 KJV)
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On the second day of the creation, the Lord God "divided" the waters (plural) of the great "deep" into two parts with a "firmament" in the midst. According to Genesis 1:10, both the waters that were upon the face of the Earth and the waters which He placed ABOVE the firmament He called "Seas":

"And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good."
(Gen 1:10 KJV)

This is important to understand. We know that the waters on the Earth are called "Seas" in the Bible, but there is also another "Sea" that is spoken of in the Scriptures, and that one is above the firmament. (Special note: Notice that the word "Sea" is capitalized at Genesis 1:10 in the KJV Bible). But, exactly where is "ABOVE" the firmament? During the seven days of the Genesis regeneration the Lord God defined Three Heavens. The first heaven is the Earth's atmosphere:

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."
(Gen 1:20 KJV)

The second heaven is the vast expanse of the physical universe - outer space as we call it:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
(Gen 1:14 KJV)

These two heavens constitute a continuum called the "firmament," and this firmament is collectively called "Heaven":

"And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
(Gen 1:8 KJV)

The Third Heaven is above this upper "Sea," and this higher sea is below the Throne of God:

"And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind."
(Revelation 4:6 KJV)

Therefore, this particular "Sea" above the firmament is above the known physical universe. Since the sun, moon and stars are "in" the firmament this Sea MUST be above them. This is difficult for the science of man to fathom, but it is a Scriptural fact on cosmology. It represents a firm and impassable barrier between the world of man (below) and the abode of God (above). Here are some additional verses in the Bible which refer to this particular Sea:

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens."
(Psalms 148:4 KJV)

This is the "sea" that John saw in his visions:

"And before the throne [there was] a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind."
(Rev 4:6 KJV)

This is a present "sea" of separation that will no longer exist when God destroys the old world and makes all things new after the 1,000-year Kingdom of Heaven and the final judgment that follows:

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
(Revelation 21:1 KJV)

This "sea" is also spoken of in Exodus 20:11, the verse frequently quoted by Young Earth Creationists as a proof text to support their doctrine:


"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
(Exodus 20:11 KJV)

The reference to "the sea" in the above verse is a reference to the sea established above the firmament, NOT to any sea on the Earth's surface. Look at the English grammar of the verse. The heaven and Earth are set apart as separate and distinct entities and so is "the sea." That sea above the firmament was not made until the second day of Genesis. There is something even more important to notice about these waters above the firmament. Look again at the passage concerning the second day:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
(Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

Something is missing there. Do you remember what was said previously? This work on the second day is the ONLY day in the Genesis narrative where the Lord does NOT say it "was good." Therefore, when you consider the statement the Lord makes in Genesis 1:31where He says that all that was made was "very good"...

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
(Genesis 1:31 KJV)

...it must be considered so in the context of circumstances. The context is the overall work of Reconstruction from Ruin and the preparation of the Earth and a new world for Man. The term "very good" does not mean "perfect," and the sea of separation placed between the world above and the world below was not good, but necessary. It would not be until the work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross that a way would be made for crossing that barrier (the sea, or waters, above the firmament).

The diagram below shows a comparison of these things to the structure and layout of Moses' Tabernacle, which is the same basic arrangement used in the layouts of the First and Second Jewish Temples in Jerusalem.




The "Sea" under discussion is a barrier between the second and third heavens, represented by the veil between the 'Holy Place' and 'Holiest of All.' The 'Brazen Alter' represents the Earth where the sacrifice was to be made. The 'Laver' in Moses' Tabernacle, and the 'Molten Sea' (see below) in Solomon's Temple, were places for the priests to wash themselves before entering the 'Holy Place'.



The Third Heaven

This now gives us a better understanding of what the Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he speaks of a place called the "third heaven":

"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."
(2 Cor. 12:2 KJV)

Although the "third heaven" is not directly mentioned in the Genesis narrative, the established structure of all things is defined in Ezekiel 1:22 KJV)

The reason it appears like a smooth, crystal surface is because it is frozen:

"The waters are hid as [with] a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen."
(Job 38:30 KJV)

"And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."
(Exodus 24:10 KJV)

It is also likened to glass:

"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."
(Revelation 15:2 KJV)

With this understanding of what exactly the Firmament is and the structure of all things that God made during the seven days, many things that were previously obscure suddenly take on real meaning and enrich the reader's understanding.

In summary, here is the structure of the physical world as it now exists from the face of the Earth upwards:

The lower sea of physical waters (our seas and oceans)
The first heaven (the atmosphere)
The second heaven (outer space)
The sea above outer space and below the third heaven (a sea of separation)
And above it all, there is the Third Heaven.
"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."
(Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV)

The structure of the heavens is a recurring theme throughout the Bible. It is reinforced (in typology) throughout the Bible. For example, it is likened to the floors of a building, which we call "stories" and, sure enough, the same word is even used in the KJV Bible. It is used to describe the design of the heavens:

"[It is] he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name."
(Amos 9:6 KJV)

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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2018, 10:36:37 am »
This is a post by Gleason92 from Theology Forums, the Big Forum that I run. This post is just a glimpse of his expertise in debating this extremely important topic. I'm not even close to his level and he may post here once a month or more, God willing. This is a response from Gleason 92 to a typical "highly" educated (self professed on the interwebnet), FE Troll.


Gleason92 :

Xenn, stand in any hotel hallway, any one, but avoid the super 8s, I learned the hardway a few years back, you get what you pay for.

Standing in the hallway and looking straight to the other end you will notice all the wall lights slightly descending. Follow that perspective logically and the bottom begins to disappear first the further away the light is from the viewer on a flat path. Simple.

8 inches per mile squared is you spherical "curvature gradient", it doesn't change on a ball (and no we're not talking about elevation gradient so save the mountains), pick any one of the infinite points and from that starting point, it's 8 inches per mile squared in any direction; if that cannot be empirically supported, you could be Stephen Hawking trying to convince readers of sphericity to this plane and you'd still be just as wrong.

Xenn, are you the one or interplanner carrying on about the meteor showers? So the point of contention is that due to observable phenomena related to the Perseid shower we can confidently assert the Earth is a sphere traveling through space, revolving around the sun in full once a year, yet every August we pass through this asteroid belt which causes observable phenomena in our skies?

Ps-i almost forgot, we need "credentials" to engage in the discussion, so here's mine. I dropped out of elementary school after first grade. Unfortunately, I can't read or write. So as a result, I use a proxy in my stead to work a computer, read me the comments and dictate my replies back. But I'll put my almost completed first grade education up against your PhD any day when it comes to empirical support of curvature and any actual space imagery that makes sense and includes the objects claimed to exist "up there" and "on Earth", like polar caps or accurately sized continents.

You keep throwing this term gravity around like it's settled (I have a few anthropomorphic helium balloons that may disagree with your assertions) Ok, so let's clear the gravity waves and establish what it is before we point to it as some sort of "proof". I think that's only fair.

So, Scientifically Validate 'gravity', i.e.

1. What Phenomenon was Observed...?
2. Post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then EXPERIMENT that validates your claim...?
3. Highlight the "Independent Variable" that was used in the TEST...?
4. Post the Null Hypothesis that was Rejected/Falsified...?






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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2018, 11:39:33 am »
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2018, 08:52:08 pm »
Just an update. I have a lot to cover with this subject and hopefully the first dozen posts give a good overview of Biblical Flat Earth. I haven't gotten to the scriptures yest but I will. Please look at the post at the top of this page also.

The biggest question people have and the biggest reason they will not research flat earth is because they think millions or at least tens of thousands of people would have to be "in on it" - Not so. Only 24 people are alleged to have ever been high enough to see a globe from space. Most are deceased. 24 people and whoever might have seen REAL ACTUAL IMAGES.

Conspiracies work on levels, layers. Like an onion. Everybody already believes in a globe so it's not hard to keep something a secret. Pilots don't goe high enough, satellite employees and contractors each do individual things with no knowledge of what they do in fake space.

The calculations and specifications are set to a globe because that's how they set them. They can easily use the same mathematics in flat earth. They don't know. GPS employees and Direct TV employees don't know. None of the above mentioned people CAN know.

So who is left? Lifetime appointed military and intelligence people and very few I would imagine. No temporary employee politicians will ever know. Trump has no clue. Perhaps certain world leaders and powerful men have know.

Even Einstein had no clue. No picture until 1972 and that's the ONLY one. Make sense? The point is that this is NOT a massive conspiracy involving millions of people that either lie or are just to stupid to know they are being duped.

Think about this. The globe only exists in your mind. No real images exist. Cartoons. CGI. Photo Shop. Artist drawings. Digital Creations. Outer Space is only in the movies and TV. You have NEVER seen it but by looking at the sky. Billions of people are in love with fake space pictures and propaganda. The globe in only in your imagination.

Imagine that the Holy Bible is true and that we are the center and focus of God's creation. We are in an enclosed flat earth and cosmos with a dome firmament above. Exactly like the Bible says. If you research the history of the occult and how it became science and the history of controlled cosmology and all of the numerous connections you'll see what I see. 8 months so far.
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