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Title: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on August 03, 2018, 09:27:44 pm
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I am not in the majority of what billions of people believe to be true about the earth and "space". This thread will be for science and data against flat earth and FOR the globe. Good luck !!!



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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on September 01, 2018, 11:28:49 am
Enoch and The Flat Earth - Biblical Cosmology


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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on September 09, 2018, 05:00:15 pm
Journey to the Center of the Flat Earth | North Pole Hidden Land ▶️️



Many ancient cultures shared similar beliefs in a sacred place at the north pole, often described as a harmonious paradise. The Norse would call it Agartha. For Hindus it's referred to as Paradesha. The Greeks knew it as Hyperborea. The Celtics called it Avalon. Buddhists call it Shambhala and in the Bible, it's refered to as the Garden of Eden.

That's just a few of the names. In fact, this place has been dubbed the land of a thousand names. At the center of this paradise is the axis mundi (also called the cosmic axis, world axis, world pillar, center of the world and world tree).

This is said to be the connection between Heaven and Earth. In Norse mythology we have yggdrasil which is the tree of life. Known as Mount Meru in Buddhist, Jain and Hindu cosmology. It's a central world mountain that reaches high into the heavens and resting above it is the north star. Join me as we take a journey to the center of the earth.

We will be going over ancient myths, if you want to call them that, and cosmologies, old maps including the Mercator map of the arctic that showed hidden land, and movies that depict worlds beyond the north pole, including the new Stephen King movie 'The Dark Tower', which depicts a dark tower at the center of the universe that is very similar to the north pole rupes nigra aka black rock.

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Flat Earth Paradise: https://goo.gl/qXPKM7

Agartha: http://www.crystalinks.com/agartha.html

Hollow Earth: http://www.crystalinks.com/holloweart...

In search of Shambhala: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...

Unsolved Mysteries of Shambhala and Agartha:
http://humansarefree.com/2015/09/the-...

Mythology, Paradise, and the Inner World:
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ti...

Detailed description of 1606 Mercator Hondius Map of the Arctic (First Map of the North Pole): https://www.geographicus.com/P/Antiqu...

This may rightly be considered to be the world's first specific map of the North Pole. Mercator later reissued this map in an expanded format for his 1595 atlas. Following a number of important expeditions to the Arctic in subsequent 10 years, Mercator's successor Jodocus Hondius reissued the original 1595 map with a number of revolutionary and highly significant changes.

Our survey of this map must naturally being with the North Pole itself which Mercator envisions as a large black rock, the Rupes Nigra, surrounded by a great whirlpool into which four powerful rapid rivers flow. These rivers divide a massive continent-sized landmass into four distinct islands or countries.

In the midst of the four countries is a Whirl-pool, into which there empty these four indrawing Seas which divide the North. And the water rushes round and descends into the Earth just as if one were pouring it through a filter funnel. It is four degrees wide on every side of the Pole, that is to say eight degrees altogether. Except that right under the Pole there lies a bare Rock in the midst of the Sea. Its circumference is almost 33 French miles, and it is all of magnetic Ston


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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on September 13, 2018, 12:33:04 pm
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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: AdamHowell on October 07, 2018, 03:35:40 pm
Anyone that can see Polaris will note that it's angle in the sky matches their latitude (within about 2°). This is how mariners have navigated the oceans for millennia. Not even flat earthers deny this, because every sailor in the world knows it to be true. At the equator, we observe Polaris at less than 2°. This matching of latitude and the angle of Polaris is proof of curvature. Here's why: https://imgur.com/MMEZSdj

Now, let's do the math for a flat Earth model. Polaris is directly over the north pole (it is actually about 0.75° off-center, but close enough for our calculations). This forms a 90° angle for everyone on this flat Earth model. If you know your distance to the north pole, and measure the angle of Polaris in the sky, you can calculate the altitude of Polaris over the north pole. This is simple trigonometry using angle-side-angle calculations. Every calculation should result in the same elevation.  Here are 4 calculations to determine the ALTITUDE of Polaris for any FE model:


So, not one of those get calculations yield the same altitude. These 4 calculations disprove all flat Earth models.  You may claim that my distances are wrong.  If so, please reply with correct distances, and I will crunch the numbers again.  But just to save time, the distances actually do not matter.  They produce different altitudes for Polaris, but they still do not match.  And every location should be able to calculate and get the same answer.


This should be enough proof that the Earth is not flat. But I will try one more time with side-angle-side to find the ANGLE at which Polaris should appear to a viewer. Many flat Earth models claim that the stars are 3,100 miles above the Earth. Using 3,100 for the opposite side, 90° for the angle, and the viewer's distance from the north pole as the adjacent side, we get:


The problem with these 4 examples is that only one of them has Polaris at the angle we observe it at. So these 4 calculations disprove all flat Earth models.

If I have made an error in my calculations, please point them out.  I will be happy to recalculate.
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on October 07, 2018, 05:11:24 pm
Hello Adam and first, thank you very much for joining. I didn't expect to be confounded by a math genius but I suppose I asked for it. Not only can I not disprove your calculations, I also wouldn't be able to find any errors. I will say that I do not believe maths can prove a globe and in fact I know they don't. If they did, the debate would have never started and would certainly be over by now.

If you can wait a few days and possibly more but I will try sooner than later, I'd like to invite my partner to join the forum and take a look at your post. He may or may not reply or even join but he is a very good friend and I think he will. I apologize for not being up to the calculations as it is is my weak area.

I believe every word of the Bible and God's description of earth and I can and will thoroughly debate the scriptures on this topic in my Biblical Flat Earth thread. Again, thank you and can I ask how you found us?



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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: AdamHowell on October 07, 2018, 09:31:06 pm
Thank you for the welcome.  I was glad to join.

Yeah, my post definitely doesn't prove the Earth to be a globe.  It is only meant to show that it cannot be flat.  I was trying to stay within the title of the post: "Can You Debunk Flat Earth?".

I found this site from this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/650910952370161720/ that showed up in the "More like this" section under this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/787004103605115878/

I believe in the Bible, but feel that many verses are mistranslated, believe a few were accidentally altered, and believe that some were intentionally altered to fit a preconceived theology (or to actively change it).  So any verses related to the shape of the Earth will need to include context and likely the Strong number of the original Hebrew word (https://biblehub.com/strongs.htm).  So I am less inclined to debate scripture, because so many are open to interpretation.  My previous experiences have all resulted in neither party swaying.  They just felt like a waste of time.
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on October 07, 2018, 09:49:21 pm
Thank you for the welcome.  I was glad to join.

Yeah, my post definitely doesn't prove the Earth to be a globe.  It is only meant to show that it cannot be flat.  I was trying to stay within the title of the post: "Can You Debunk Flat Earth?".

I found this site from this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/650910952370161720/ that showed up in the "More like this" section under this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/787004103605115878/

I believe in the Bible, but feel that many verses are mistranslated, believe a few were accidentally altered, and believe that some were intentionally altered to fit a preconceived theology (or to actively change it).  So any verses related to the shape of the Earth will need to include context and likely the Strong number of the original Hebrew word (https://biblehub.com/strongs.htm).  So I am less inclined to debate scripture, because so many are open to interpretation.  My previous experiences have all resulted in neither party swaying.  They just felt like a waste of time.
You're right and I'm late to the game but I'm hoping more people keep questioning the science and the globe math and discovering flat earth. Apparently it was really hot back in 2014-15. It is a passion of mine because I am a literalist unless it isn't. I think I have a good discernment and I read in the spirit.

For instance, the entire globe/solar system model with endless space, evolution and alien life etc but I digress . . . For now just the Copernican model of the cosmos. It cannot be explained when one reads and believes Joshua 10. The sun and moon stop for about a whole day. Can't happen unless the earth is motionless like the  Bible says over 100 times (maybe 200). Unless the entire universe stopped it was the earth that stands still.

For me, 10.5 months in to research and debate it's over. Curvature has been disproved by P900 and P1000 cameras, lasers and hundreds of tests and experiments. The globe only exists in the mind. Pictures, images and drawings. All fake. Only a few people alive have allegedly seen earth from outer space. Too many holes in gravity and three dozen too many theories regarding cosmology. They know nothing as far as I'm concerned.

I believe this is exactly the great deception satan would use to lead billions away from our Creator. It has been a spiritual battle since the garden and that's why I do this. Flat earth leads people to Christ and I have video testimonies to post some time. Personally, I love talking about this topic as to me it's the most important thing we could be thinking about behind God and family. I'm not married and no kids and retired so I have the time.

I believe with all my heart and soul after MUCH research into many aspects of the flat earth topic that we have been lied to for 500 years and it began in my estimation with the Jesuits and Freemasons.




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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: AdamHowell on October 07, 2018, 10:16:38 pm
I think a valuable addition to this Flat Earth subsection would be a sticky post listing all the important dimensions of your model.  I would be interested in knowing the elevation of the sun, moon, and stars in your model, as well as the circumference (or diameter) of the ice wall.
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: 1Mind1Spirit on October 08, 2018, 02:16:10 am
I think a valuable addition to this Flat Earth subsection would be a sticky post listing all the important dimensions of your model.  I would be interested in knowing the elevation of the sun, moon, and stars in your model, as well as the circumference (or diameter) of the ice wall.

As far as the ice wall goes, it is between 50,000 miles to 70,000 miles in circumference.

As far as the elevation goes for the sun, moon and stars it is impossible to know.

All those bodies in the sky can do is help us figure our positions on earth.

More Proverbs of Solomon
…2It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to search it out. 3As the heavens are high and the earth is deep, so the hearts of kings cannot be searched.

King James Bible
The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.

Jeremiah 31:37 (ASV) Thus saith Jehovah: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith Jehovah.

Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on October 11, 2018, 05:20:33 pm
5 TIMES WE SAW WAY TOO FAR! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!


With the increased efforts to find the curve, researchers have found that we are able to see much further than we should. I've compiled some of the best examples that some talented researchers have been able to capture.

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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: Theo102 on October 11, 2018, 06:27:55 pm
OK, so they've scaled up the Bedford Level experiment. What you're looking at is the curvature of spacetime near the massive body which is the earth. The astronomical version of this phenomena is called a gravitational lens.

http://w.astro.berkeley.edu/~jcohn/lens.html
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: 1Mind1Spirit on October 11, 2018, 08:44:23 pm
OK, so they've scaled up the Bedford Level experiment. What you're looking at is the curvature of spacetime near the massive body which is the earth. The astronomical version of this phenomena is called a gravitational lens.

http://w.astro.berkeley.edu/~jcohn/lens.html

Cute.

But even gravitational lensing does not bring anything into sight that is not already at least partially visible from the observers point of view. ;)

Therefore it is irrelevant as to the point that one should not be able to see those distant mountains.




Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: AdamHowell on October 11, 2018, 09:16:46 pm
For every video that supposedly shows a distance that should have been obscured by the curvature of the Earth (caused by refraction), there is a video that clearly shows the curvature of the Earth obscuring something (caused by perspective?).  I stopped caring about videos like those when I realized that neither side was going to convince anyone with such videos.
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: Theo102 on October 11, 2018, 10:25:10 pm
But even gravitational lensing does not bring anything into sight that is not already at least partially visible from the observers point of view. ;)
In theory it could. Lensing bends light, and bent light can go around obstructions.
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: 1Mind1Spirit on October 12, 2018, 07:58:49 pm
But even gravitational lensing does not bring anything into sight that is not already at least partially visible from the observers point of view. ;)
In theory it could. Lensing bends light, and bent light can go around obstructions.


When you find a physical example let me know.
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: Theo102 on October 13, 2018, 03:11:38 pm
Quote
When you find a physical example let me know.

if you can't understand the theory then how could you interpret the observation?
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on November 11, 2018, 07:43:12 am
Ball-Earth Forced Indoctrination


In this video we'll discuss the mandatory indoctrination campaign foisted upon all generations of trusting and gullible toddlers.  While the heliocentric model can easily be shown to disagree with observable reality, the evidence for a flat and motionless Earth is mounting -- Yet there appears to be no end in sight to the forced indoctrination into ball Earth sophism and anti-logic.


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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: Theo102 on November 12, 2018, 02:12:48 am
The angle of Polaris matching the latitude of the observer debunks the FE pretty well, just as the consistent apparent size of the moon does. If the moon was relatively close then it should appear to be bigger overhead.
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on November 12, 2018, 07:50:31 am
The angle of Polaris matching the latitude of the observer debunks the FE pretty well, just as the consistent apparent size of the moon does. If the moon was relatively close then it should appear to be bigger overhead.
Apparently you haven't watched any of the videos I posted, nor have you ever researched flat earth. Polaris proves flat earth and the size of the moon is the same as the sun, about 50 miles wide. The sun and moon are equal in size like Enoch tells us and they are much closer at about 3,000 to 5,000 miles away.
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on November 16, 2018, 08:21:14 am
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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on November 22, 2018, 05:30:48 pm
Flight Routes Prove Flat Earth




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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on November 22, 2018, 08:09:27 pm
Flat Earth Debate : Rob Skiba vs Robert Sungenis At FE2018 In Denver



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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on November 25, 2018, 07:13:29 am
The heavens have an end and the heavens are measured and can be measured by God alone. Deep endless infinite space does not exist. As God tells here in Psalm 19, the sun's going forth (moving) is from the end of the heaven . . .  The sun moves, the moon moves, stars move, debris in the firmament move, the earth does NOT move.



Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)

19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

King James Version (KJV)
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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on January 29, 2019, 08:34:22 pm
Bursting The GPS Bubble!!!


Watch the whole video



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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on March 20, 2019, 06:47:23 am
1. In 1905, Einstein added time dilation to length contraction because it was required to fit his theory, not because he “discovered”  it. It has since been applied  to everything under  the sun so  that  the Einstein advocates can claim that everything works by SRT. So let’s assume that the GPS satellites are in an inertial frame. The fact is, the light beams traveling east-to-west are faster by 50ns than the beams traveling west-to-east. But according to SRT, there should beno difference of the two beams since both are in an inertial frame.  (And if they are not in an inertial frame, then SRT cannot be applied). So, in order to hide this discrepancy to save SRT, the GPS computers are preprogrammed with a Sagnac correction so that it appears that the east bound beam is going the same speed as the westbound beam, and voila! SRT is “proved.”

2. EINSTEIN SAID THAT IF THERE WAS ANY ETHER IN SPACE, THEN HIS THEORY IS NULLIFIED. HE SAID : If Michelson-Morley is wrong, then Relativity is wrong.  (Einstein ; The Life and Times, p. 107.) So, Einstein simply dismissed the fractional ether drift of MMX as a mere artifact. But the sad fact is, scientifically speaking, artifacts would not have appeared in all the dozens of interferometer experiments performed over the next 80 years.

In 1921, Einstein wrote to a friend that if "the Miller experiments" produced positive results *"the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards."

Miller's experiments produced consistently positive results.

The experiments of Sagnac and Michelson & Gale are rarely mentioned. Until recently it was quite difficult to find a reference to them. As Dean Turner pointed out "One may scan Einstein's writings in vain to find mention of the Sagnac or Michelson-Gale experiments. The same can be said of general physics text-books and of the McGraw-Hill Encyclopaedia of Science and Technology...Such an oversight constitutes a stinging indictment of professional scientific reporting". It is indeed quite difficult to get information on these experiments. They seem to be such an embarrassment to relativity that those who know about them would rather not say too much.

Quite a number of relativity experts, however, do know about them, and when pressed many admit that they show the Special Theory of Relativity (the theory taught to all science students, and the basis for much of "modern physics") to be inadequate.

3. Not only has General Relativity failed to provide adequate answers for stellar aberration, rotation, and
action-at-a-distance (that is, without resorting to Mach’s “distant rotating masses”), Van  Flandern
reminds us that…

“…it is not widely appreciated that this [General Relativity] is a purely mathematical model,
lacking a physical mechanism to initiate motion. For example, if a “space-time manifold” (like
the rubber sheet) exists near a source of mass, why would a small particle placed at rest in that
manifold  (on  the  rubber  sheet) begin to move toward the source mass? Indeed, why would
curvature of the manifold even have a sense of “down” unless some force such as gravity
already existed. Logically, the small particle at rest on a curved manifold would have no reason
to end its rest unless a force acted on it.”

 “…all existing experimental evidence requires the action of fields to be conveyed much faster
than lightspeed. This situation is ironic because the reason why the geometric interpretation
gained ascendancy over the field interpretation is that the implied faster-than-light action of
fields appeared to allow causality violations [e.g., moving backwards in time, according to the
principles of Special Relativity]….Yet the field interpretation of General Relativity requires
faster than light propagation. So if Special Relativity were a correct model of reality, the field
interpretation would violate the causality principle, which is why it fell from popularity.”

4. It is rather interesting that Relativists, on the one hand, claim that light is limited to 186,000 mps in Special Relativity, but admit that Special Relativity does not incorporate gravity or inertial forces.

On the other hand, they claim gravity is limited to the speed of light because Special Relativity  says nothing can go  faster  than light. But if Special Relativity has nothing to do with gravity, then how can Special Relativity claim that gravity’s speed
is limited to light speed? 
 
Moreover, in General Relativity, light, and we presume gravity, is not limited to 186,000 mps, and that is
because General Relativity deals with frames that  include gravity and inertial forces. But if gravity itself
is a non-inertial frame, then how can it be limited to 186,000 mps by Special Relativity which only deals
with inertial frames? This shows that the two theories of Relativity contradict themselves.

5. Einstein and Infield wrote in The Evolution of Physics (1938) :

“…the theory of relativity resembles a building consisting of two separate storeys (sic), the special  theory and the general theory. The special theory, on which the general theory rests, applies to all physical phenomena with the exception of gravitation.”

On this Dr. Kelly comments :

“So, if the special theory loses its basis, the general theory is also without foundation.”

The only original big idea in “Einstein's” so-called theory of general relativity was curved space. Yet through the 1980s and 1990s, and  today with the Hubble space telescope, astronomers have methodically and painstakingly developed three-dimensional atlases of the universe. However, they  have detected no curvature of space. Theoretical physicist Paul LaViolette observes :

“If space were curved by even the slightest amount, evidence of this would have shown up in astronomical surveys. When the data are checked, however, no evidence of curvature is found. Observations of the density of galaxies found at distant locations of the universe indicate that space is Euclidian out to the farthest limits of observation.”
 









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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on April 13, 2019, 10:08:33 am
Tycho Brahe's Arguments (see the comment section)


Comment :

What we have in the history of western science is a fully formed highly detailed geocentric cosmology and mathematical astronomy in the form of the Syntaxis Mathematiké from Ptolemaeus from the middle of the second century CE. This lays out in great detail all of the arguments for and against both the geocentric and heliocentric cosmologies known to the Greek astronomers and cosmologist over a period of about six hundred years. Not exactly fragments of ideas!

These arguments are logically argued scientific hypotheses based on solid empirical observation made by Babylonian and Greek astronomers over a period of approximately nine hundred years. Thanks to Ptolemaeus we know exactly why geocentrism was the standard. A standard that was accepted and defended in the works of Plato, Aristotle and many other Greek philosophers and mathematical commentators. This standard was also maintained and defended by many, many Islamic philosophers and astronomers from about 800 CE into the Early Modern Period.

The geocentric hypotheses of Greek and Islamic cosmology and astronomy were not based on religious beliefs but on solid empirical observations. The religious views of the astronomers and cosmologists who presented those hypotheses did not play a significant role in their work.

However the three main players in the introduction of heliocentric cosmology in the Early Modern Period Copernicus, Kepler and Newton (contrary to popular opinion Galileo only played a very minor role) were all deeply religious and the religious views of two of them did play a highly significant role in their scientific thought.

Copernicus was a cannon of a Catholic cathedral. Kepler trained for the priesthood in a Lutheran seminary and remained devotedly religious all of his life believing that he was serving his God through his astronomical work. Newton was by any standards a religious fanatic who believed that he had been special chosen by God to reveal the secrets of His creation.



10 minutes
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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: Bladerunner on April 14, 2019, 08:58:42 pm
Tycho Brahe's Arguments (see the comment section)


Comment :

What we have in the history of western science is a fully formed highly detailed geocentric cosmology and mathematical astronomy in the form of the Syntaxis Mathematiké from Ptolemaeus from the middle of the second century CE. This lays out in great detail all of the arguments for and against both the geocentric and heliocentric cosmologies known to the Greek astronomers and cosmologist over a period of about six hundred years. Not exactly fragments of ideas!

These arguments are logically argued scientific hypotheses based on solid empirical observation made by Babylonian and Greek astronomers over a period of approximately nine hundred years. Thanks to Ptolemaeus we know exactly why geocentrism was the standard. A standard that was accepted and defended in the works of Plato, Aristotle and many other Greek philosophers and mathematical commentators. This standard was also maintained and defended by many, many Islamic philosophers and astronomers from about 800 CE into the Early Modern Period.

The geocentric hypotheses of Greek and Islamic cosmology and astronomy were not based on religious beliefs but on solid empirical observations. The religious views of the astronomers and cosmologists who presented those hypotheses did not play a significant role in their work.

However the three main players in the introduction of heliocentric cosmology in the Early Modern Period Copernicus, Kepler and Newton (contrary to popular opinion Galileo only played a very minor role) were all deeply religious and the religious views of two of them did play a highly significant role in their scientific thought.

Copernicus was a cannon of a Catholic cathedral. Kepler trained for the priesthood in a Lutheran seminary and remained devotedly religious all of his life believing that he was serving his God through his astronomical work. Newton was by any standards a religious fanatic who believed that he had been special chosen by God to reveal the secrets of His creation.



10 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEKOyGNLL58&t=384s

No but many have tried.

Blade
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on June 08, 2019, 05:47:02 pm
Science and academia still cannot disprove flat earth. They can't even prove the earth moves !!!







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Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on December 02, 2019, 07:46:13 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKKqLl_ZEEY

Stand
R.E.M.

Stand in the place where you live
Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before

Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

If you are confused, check with the sun
Carry a compass
🗺🌎🧭👈 to help you along

Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around
So, stand in the place where you live
Now face north

Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before
Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around

If wishes were trees the trees would be falling
Listen to reason
Season is calling

Stand in the place where you live
Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before

Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

If wishes were trees the trees would be falling
Listen to reason
Reason is calling

Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around
So stand (stand)

Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before
Now stand (stand)

Now face west
Think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

Stand in the place where you live
Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before

Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

Stand in the place where you are (now face north)
Stand in the place where you are (now face west)
Your feet are going to be on the ground (stand in the place where you are)
Your head is there to move you around, so stand


Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Bill Berry / Peter Buck / Michael Mills / Michael Stipe
Stand lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: Bladerunner on January 29, 2020, 11:22:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKKqLl_ZEEY

Stand
R.E.M.

Stand in the place where you live
Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before

Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

If you are confused, check with the sun
Carry a compass
🗺🌎🧭👈 to help you along

Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around
So, stand in the place where you live
Now face north

Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before
Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around

If wishes were trees the trees would be falling
Listen to reason
Season is calling

Stand in the place where you live
Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before

Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

If wishes were trees the trees would be falling
Listen to reason
Reason is calling

Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around
So stand (stand)

Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before
Now stand (stand)

Now face west
Think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

Stand in the place where you live
Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before

Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

Stand in the place where you are (now face north)
Stand in the place where you are (now face west)
Your feet are going to be on the ground (stand in the place where you are)
Your head is there to move you around, so stand


Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Bill Berry / Peter Buck / Michael Mills / Michael Stipe
Stand lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group

good song
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: Wayne Gabler on February 02, 2020, 12:50:40 pm
My first challenge suggested using the times available for events like the Volvo Yacht races to set time/distances to see if it was the same.
https://www.sailspeedrecords.com/records
This one just occurred to me a few days ago. Some Arctic Fox escaped captivity in Norway and ran all the way home to one of our most northern islands. The north should be a short distance. A Tracking collar recorded time/distance

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/fantastic-arctic-fox-animal-walks-3500km-from-norway-to-canada

Fantastic arctic fox: animal walks 3,500km from Norway to Canada

Oh yeah, Hi. lol
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on February 04, 2020, 08:58:56 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciQbKrEn-IM
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on February 18, 2020, 03:29:40 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caWgExoMtX0
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on February 29, 2020, 08:21:34 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj5Ye6TrqlA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on March 09, 2020, 08:34:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ael_N_HiWSU
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: Bladerunner on March 09, 2020, 09:01:01 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ael_N_HiWSU

 Flat earth....Now it Mars to tackle???
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on March 12, 2020, 08:20:36 am
Maps Show How the Physical Internet Literally Connects the World


Former Alaska Senator Ted Stevens called the Internet “a series of tubes.” Sociologically, it’s something more than that, but on a physical level, he’s basically right. Easy as it is to forget, the information that appears on our screen generally travels first through a vast network of fiber-optic cables.

But where exactly does it go on its journey? A new set of images published in this week’s issue of Fortune provides some of the clearest and prettiest pictures yet. They’re based on maps from GeoTel Communications, a company that specializes in “telecommunications geography.”

GeoTel’s CEO, Dave Drazen, tells me the information is derived from major U.S. based carriers and publically available sources. He notes that the maps aren’t comprehensive—they don’t include military or government installations, for instance. Still: wow.


(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ec/ab/80/ecab800b52f05df9625c1a1ead312e0b.jpg)
This image from GeoTel Communications and Fortune shows some of the major fiber-optic lines that carry Internet traffic between the world’s continents.
GeoTel Communications and Nicolas Rapp/Fortune magazine
Title: Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
Post by: patrick jane on June 22, 2020, 04:23:54 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg3-BJlnEhs