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Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« on: August 03, 2018, 09:27:44 pm »



I am not in the majority of what billions of people believe to be true about the earth and "space". This thread will be for science and data against flat earth and FOR the globe. Good luck !!!



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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2018, 10:45:00 am »








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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2018, 11:28:49 am »
Enoch and The Flat Earth - Biblical Cosmology


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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2018, 05:00:15 pm »
Journey to the Center of the Flat Earth | North Pole Hidden Land ▶️️



Many ancient cultures shared similar beliefs in a sacred place at the north pole, often described as a harmonious paradise. The Norse would call it Agartha. For Hindus it's referred to as Paradesha. The Greeks knew it as Hyperborea. The Celtics called it Avalon. Buddhists call it Shambhala and in the Bible, it's refered to as the Garden of Eden.

That's just a few of the names. In fact, this place has been dubbed the land of a thousand names. At the center of this paradise is the axis mundi (also called the cosmic axis, world axis, world pillar, center of the world and world tree).

This is said to be the connection between Heaven and Earth. In Norse mythology we have yggdrasil which is the tree of life. Known as Mount Meru in Buddhist, Jain and Hindu cosmology. It's a central world mountain that reaches high into the heavens and resting above it is the north star. Join me as we take a journey to the center of the earth.

We will be going over ancient myths, if you want to call them that, and cosmologies, old maps including the Mercator map of the arctic that showed hidden land, and movies that depict worlds beyond the north pole, including the new Stephen King movie 'The Dark Tower', which depicts a dark tower at the center of the universe that is very similar to the north pole rupes nigra aka black rock.

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Detailed description of 1606 Mercator Hondius Map of the Arctic (First Map of the North Pole): https://www.geographicus.com/P/Antiqu...

This may rightly be considered to be the world's first specific map of the North Pole. Mercator later reissued this map in an expanded format for his 1595 atlas. Following a number of important expeditions to the Arctic in subsequent 10 years, Mercator's successor Jodocus Hondius reissued the original 1595 map with a number of revolutionary and highly significant changes.

Our survey of this map must naturally being with the North Pole itself which Mercator envisions as a large black rock, the Rupes Nigra, surrounded by a great whirlpool into which four powerful rapid rivers flow. These rivers divide a massive continent-sized landmass into four distinct islands or countries.

In the midst of the four countries is a Whirl-pool, into which there empty these four indrawing Seas which divide the North. And the water rushes round and descends into the Earth just as if one were pouring it through a filter funnel. It is four degrees wide on every side of the Pole, that is to say eight degrees altogether. Except that right under the Pole there lies a bare Rock in the midst of the Sea. Its circumference is almost 33 French miles, and it is all of magnetic Ston


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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2018, 03:35:40 pm »
Anyone that can see Polaris will note that it's angle in the sky matches their latitude (within about 2). This is how mariners have navigated the oceans for millennia. Not even flat earthers deny this, because every sailor in the world knows it to be true. At the equator, we observe Polaris at less than 2. This matching of latitude and the angle of Polaris is proof of curvature. Here's why: https://imgur.com/MMEZSdj

Now, let's do the math for a flat Earth model. Polaris is directly over the north pole (it is actually about 0.75 off-center, but close enough for our calculations). This forms a 90 angle for everyone on this flat Earth model. If you know your distance to the north pole, and measure the angle of Polaris in the sky, you can calculate the altitude of Polaris over the north pole. This is simple trigonometry using angle-side-angle calculations. Every calculation should result in the same elevation.  Here are 4 calculations to determine the ALTITUDE of Polaris for any FE model:


So, not one of those get calculations yield the same altitude. These 4 calculations disprove all flat Earth models.  You may claim that my distances are wrong.  If so, please reply with correct distances, and I will crunch the numbers again.  But just to save time, the distances actually do not matter.  They produce different altitudes for Polaris, but they still do not match.  And every location should be able to calculate and get the same answer.


This should be enough proof that the Earth is not flat. But I will try one more time with side-angle-side to find the ANGLE at which Polaris should appear to a viewer. Many flat Earth models claim that the stars are 3,100 miles above the Earth. Using 3,100 for the opposite side, 90 for the angle, and the viewer's distance from the north pole as the adjacent side, we get:


The problem with these 4 examples is that only one of them has Polaris at the angle we observe it at. So these 4 calculations disprove all flat Earth models.

If I have made an error in my calculations, please point them out.  I will be happy to recalculate.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2018, 05:11:24 pm »
Hello Adam and first, thank you very much for joining. I didn't expect to be confounded by a math genius but I suppose I asked for it. Not only can I not disprove your calculations, I also wouldn't be able to find any errors. I will say that I do not believe maths can prove a globe and in fact I know they don't. If they did, the debate would have never started and would certainly be over by now.

If you can wait a few days and possibly more but I will try sooner than later, I'd like to invite my partner to join the forum and take a look at your post. He may or may not reply or even join but he is a very good friend and I think he will. I apologize for not being up to the calculations as it is is my weak area.

I believe every word of the Bible and God's description of earth and I can and will thoroughly debate the scriptures on this topic in my Biblical Flat Earth thread. Again, thank you and can I ask how you found us?



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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2018, 09:31:06 pm »
Thank you for the welcome.  I was glad to join.

Yeah, my post definitely doesn't prove the Earth to be a globe.  It is only meant to show that it cannot be flat.  I was trying to stay within the title of the post: "Can You Debunk Flat Earth?".

I found this site from this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/650910952370161720/ that showed up in the "More like this" section under this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/787004103605115878/

I believe in the Bible, but feel that many verses are mistranslated, believe a few were accidentally altered, and believe that some were intentionally altered to fit a preconceived theology (or to actively change it).  So any verses related to the shape of the Earth will need to include context and likely the Strong number of the original Hebrew word.  So I am less inclined to debate scripture, because so many are open to interpretation.  My previous experiences have all resulted in neither party swaying.  They just felt like a waste of time.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2018, 09:49:21 pm »
Thank you for the welcome.  I was glad to join.

Yeah, my post definitely doesn't prove the Earth to be a globe.  It is only meant to show that it cannot be flat.  I was trying to stay within the title of the post: "Can You Debunk Flat Earth?".

I found this site from this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/650910952370161720/ that showed up in the "More like this" section under this pin: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/787004103605115878/

I believe in the Bible, but feel that many verses are mistranslated, believe a few were accidentally altered, and believe that some were intentionally altered to fit a preconceived theology (or to actively change it).  So any verses related to the shape of the Earth will need to include context and likely the Strong number of the original Hebrew word.  So I am less inclined to debate scripture, because so many are open to interpretation.  My previous experiences have all resulted in neither party swaying.  They just felt like a waste of time.
You're right and I'm late to the game but I'm hoping more people keep questioning the science and the globe math and discovering flat earth. Apparently it was really hot back in 2014-15. It is a passion of mine because I am a literalist unless it isn't. I think I have a good discernment and I read in the spirit.

For instance, the entire globe/solar system model with endless space, evolution and alien life etc but I digress . . . For now just the Copernican model of the cosmos. It cannot be explained when one reads and believes Joshua 10. The sun and moon stop for about a whole day. Can't happen unless the earth is motionless like the  Bible says over 100 times (maybe 200). Unless the entire universe stopped it was the earth that stands still.

For me, 10.5 months in to research and debate it's over. Curvature has been disproved by P900 and P1000 cameras, lasers and hundreds of tests and experiments. The globe only exists in the mind. Pictures, images and drawings. All fake. Only a few people alive have allegedly seen earth from outer space. Too many holes in gravity and three dozen too many theories regarding cosmology. They know nothing as far as I'm concerned.

I believe this is exactly the great deception satan would use to lead billions away from our Creator. It has been a spiritual battle since the garden and that's why I do this. Flat earth leads people to Christ and I have video testimonies to post some time. Personally, I love talking about this topic as to me it's the most important thing we could be thinking about behind God and family. I'm not married and no kids and retired so I have the time.

I believe with all my heart and soul after MUCH research into many aspects of the flat earth topic that we have been lied to for 500 years and it began in my estimation with the Jesuits and Freemasons.




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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2018, 10:16:38 pm »
I think a valuable addition to this Flat Earth subsection would be a sticky post listing all the important dimensions of your model.  I would be interested in knowing the elevation of the sun, moon, and stars in your model, as well as the circumference (or diameter) of the ice wall.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2018, 02:16:10 am »
I think a valuable addition to this Flat Earth subsection would be a sticky post listing all the important dimensions of your model.  I would be interested in knowing the elevation of the sun, moon, and stars in your model, as well as the circumference (or diameter) of the ice wall.

As far as the ice wall goes, it is between 50,000 miles to 70,000 miles in circumference.

As far as the elevation goes for the sun, moon and stars it is impossible to know.

All those bodies in the sky can do is help us figure our positions on earth.

More Proverbs of Solomon
2It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to search it out. 3As the heavens are high and the earth is deep, so the hearts of kings cannot be searched.

King James Bible
The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.

Jeremiah 31:37 (ASV) Thus saith Jehovah: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith Jehovah.

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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2018, 05:20:33 pm »
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2018, 06:27:55 pm »
OK, so they've scaled up the Bedford Level experiment. What you're looking at is the curvature of spacetime near the massive body which is the earth. The astronomical version of this phenomena is called a gravitational lens.

http://w.astro.berkeley.edu/~jcohn/lens.html

 

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