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« Last post by doug on October 28, 2025, 11:21:57 am »
Lets start with Jesus and the twelve. During Christ's earthly ministry he built his church..........[Matthew 16:18 KJV] 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it............Christ brought people into the church by preaching his gospel. Christ's gospel was to repent because the prophetic Davidic kingdom was at hand........[Matthew 4:23 KJV] 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.............This gospel of the kingdom was the only gospel Jesus preached, and this is the gospel he sent the twelve to preach..........[Luke 9:1-2, 6 KJV] 1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick 6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
In the gospels the apostles preached to believe on the name of Christ. They had to believe Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God............[John 1:12 KJV] 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: [John 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [John 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
After the ascension of Christ, Peter and the apostles preached to believe on his name.........[Acts 3:16 KJV] 16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. [Acts 4:12 KJV] 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. [Acts 8:12 KJV] 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
After Jesus's ascension Peter preached the water baptism of John for the forgiveness of sins, plus receiving the Holy Ghost................ [Acts 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost..............this is the gospel of the circumcision...............[Galatians 2:7 KJV] 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;..............Paul preached a different gospel, the gospel of the uncircumcision.
Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. Paul preached more than the name of Jesus. Paul preached all that the cross accomplished.
This is the gospel Paul preached............[1Corinthians 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:............This is the gospel we are to believe.
These are the elements of Paul's gospel............[Romans 3:24-26 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [Romans 4:22-25 KJV] 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. [Ephesians 1:7 KJV] 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; [1Corinthians 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. [Titus 3:7 KJV] 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
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« Last post by doug on October 27, 2025, 03:10:27 pm »
[Mar 13:9 KJV] 9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Jesus was preparing his disciples for the coming tribulation. These prophetic predictions were given only to his disciples, not us.
[Mar 13:10 KJV] 10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
Jesus preached only one gospel, and that was the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the kingdom was that the prophetic kingdom on earth was at hand. The kingdom was an earthly kingdom, in which, Christ will reign on earth for a thousand years............[Rev 20:6 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. [Luk 1:32-33 KJV] 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
[Mar 13:11 KJV] 11 But when they shall lead [you], and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
It was to the disciples of Jesus that this statement was made. The Holy Ghost would give the disciples what to say when needed.
It is not warranted for us to say, we can expect that the Holy Ghost will give us what we will speak in certain circumstances. This was not given to us in this dispensation.
[Mar 13:13 KJV] 13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
It is wrong to say we must endure to end in faith in order to be saved unto heaven. Believing Israel has to endure to the end to be granted entrance into the Davidic kingdom on earth. Salvation for Israel unto eternal life was different than being able to enter the earthly kingdom. For eternal life, Israel had to believe on Jesus, believe on his name, they had to believe that he was the Christ, the Son of God. To enter the earthly kingdom Israel had to keep the law and remain faithful to the end.
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« Last post by doug on October 22, 2025, 11:43:53 am »
[Mark 12:32-34 KJV] 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him [any question].
Jesus was not saying that by keeping these commandments the scribe would have eternal life, but rather, Jesus was saying he was not far from entering the earthly kingdom on earth. The kingdom was promised to believing Israel who will reign with Christ for a thousand years. To enter the kingdom believing Israel had to keep the law to able to enter the kingdom.............[Matthew 5:20 KJV] 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For Israel entering the kingdom was somehow related to entering into life as Jesus alluded to............[Matthew 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
I find it interesting that these verses speak of water of life and the tree of life...........[Revelation 22:1 KJV] 1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. [Revelation 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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« Last post by doug on October 21, 2025, 10:38:17 am »
What gospel did Jesus preach?
Did Jesus preach that he would die for our sins and rise for our justification?
[Mark 1:14-15 KJV] 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Jesus did not preach salvation by the cross, but rather, he preached the kingdom was at hand. This was the gospel Jesus preached.
God promised an earthly kingdom, in which, Jesus will reign from Jerusalem, sitting on David's throne..........[Luke 1:31-33 KJV] 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV] 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this...........Israel will reign with Christ as kings and priests for a thousand years............[Revelation 5:10 KJV] 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. [Revelation 20:6 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Jesus sent the twelve apostles to preach the gospel of the kingdom as well.........[Luke 9:1-2 KJV] 1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick............Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom, which refutes the assertion that there is only one gospel.
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« Last post by doug on October 20, 2025, 01:46:53 pm »
[Numbers 15:30 KJV] 30 But the soul that doeth [ought] presumptuously, [whether he be] born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
There was no sacrifice offered for one of the congregation, or a stranger among them, to atone for willful sin.
Hebrews likewise does not offer a sacrifice for willful sinning...............[Heb 10:26 KJV] 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,.............under the new covenant there is no Levitical offering to atone for willful sin.
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« Last post by doug on October 20, 2025, 11:19:14 am »
[Matthew 6:9 KJV] 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
We say this is the Lord's prayer, but Jesus didn't pray this prayer. Jesus instructed his disciples to pray in this manner.
[Matthew 6:10 KJV] 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
Believing Israel and the disciples are instructed to pray for the Davidic kingdom to come down from heaven. In the kingdom on earth Christ will reign from Jerusalem for a thousand years............[Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV] 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
We aren't looking for this kingdom for our inheritance, ours is in the heavenly places...........[1Corinthians 15:49 KJV] 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. [Ephesians 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: [2Timothy 4:18 KJV] 18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve [me] unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.
[Matthew 6:11 KJV] 11 Give us this day our daily bread.
The disciples and believing Israel are to rely on God to provide food in the coming tribulation. In the tribulation the saints who will not receive the mark will be unable to buy or sell for food. God provided manna for food and in this prayer believing Israel will recognize there dependence on God for their sustenance........[Numbers 11:9 KJV] 9 And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell upon it.
[Matthew 6:12 KJV] 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Here is an instruction for prayer that highlights my assertion that this prayer was for Israel and not us. Israel was under covenant, under this covenant to be forgiven Israel had to forgive. We need to look no further to find what Jesus was talking about when he spoke of forgiveness for Israel. Right after this prayer Jesus gives instruction in regard to forgiveness............[Matthew 6:14-15 KJV] 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses........... Mark says the same about forgiveness..........[Mark 11:25 KJV] 25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
In this dispensation, how are we to forgive?........[Ephesians 4:32 KJV] 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you...........We forgive others because we have been forgiven, not because it is conditional under covenant.............We have been forgiven all trespasses and don't have to ask for forgiveness.......... [Colossians 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Most importantly, the Lord Jesus never prayed this prayer, in spite of the fact that it is called the Lord's prayer. If Jesus did pray this he would be a sinner who had to ask for forgiveness.
We need to know what was for Israel, and what is for us. Should we repeat this prayer by rote, not considering the substance, nor the implications of praying this prayer?
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« Last post by doug on October 18, 2025, 01:11:11 pm »
This post deals briefly with the promised, prophetic kingdom of Israel.
[2Samuel 3:10 KJV] 10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.........there was war between the house of Saul and the house of David.
[2Samuel 5:3-4 KJV] 3 So all the elders of Israel came to the king to Hebron; and king David made a league with them in Hebron before the LORD: and they anointed David king over Israel. 4 David [was] thirty years old when he began to reign, [and] he reigned forty years..........David was made king over Israel.
God said that the throne of his kingdom would be established forever............[1Kings 9:5 KJV] 5 Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel. [1Chronicles 22:10 KJV] 10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I [will be] his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.
The Lord Jesus Christ will reign upon the throne of David over his kingdom..............[Isaiah 9:7 KJV] 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
[Mark 11:7, 9-10 KJV] 7 And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him. ... 9 And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord: 10 Blessed [be] the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest............Jesus presented himself to Israel. In verse 10 the crowd acknowledged that the kingdom of David was to be realized with the Lord Jesus.
[Acts 1:6 KJV] 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?............Not only the crowds who saw Jesus on the colt anticipated the coming kingdom on earth, but the disciples did as well.
Scripture speaks of the establishment of the kingdom on earth. The kingdom hasn't come, but it will be established.
Israel, including the disciples knew there would be a kingdom for them.
The body of Christ has not been promised an earthly kingdom, but rather a heavenly kingdom........[2Timothy 4:18 KJV] 18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve [me] unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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« Last post by doug on October 17, 2025, 12:35:20 pm »
Some say there is only one church in the Bible.
Let's examine the implications of this position on the apostleship of Paul, as well as the twelve apostles.
Paul was, with out controversy, an apostle..........[Galatians 1:1 KJV] 1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)............So if there is one church, then Paul would be an apostle along with the twelve. Since there is only one church, they would all be apostles in it. To be an apostle with Peter and the twelve, Paul would have to have been with the other apostles during the entire time Jesus was on earth, beginning from the baptism of John until the ascension of Christ..........[Acts 1:21-22 KJV] 21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.......... One of the qualifications in Acts 1 :21-22 was "must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.", Paul did see the risen Christ and did meet this qualification to be an apostle.......................[1Co 9:1 KJV] 1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?..............Paul, having seen the risen Lord can be the apostle to the Gentiles in the body of Christ. Paul however, not only could he not be a replacement apostle for Judas, but he also could not be set equally beside Peter and the others as an apostle if there was just one church at the time.
An apostle proclaims the gospel (Galatians 2:2), builds up the church (Romans 16:25), oversees many churches (2 Corinthians 11:28), establishes doctrine (1 Timothy 1:3), establishes order (1 Corinthians 14:40), designates pastors and deacons and their qualifications (Titus 1:5).
Those who believed Peter's preaching were added to the church, and continued in the doctrine of Peter and the apostles...............[Acts 2:41-42 KJV] 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls. 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.............Here is a problem, Paul establishes doctrine for the church as well............[2Timothy 3:10 KJV] 10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,...........Paul exhorted that no doctrine other then the doctrine he established should be preached............[1Timothy 1:3 KJV] 3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,...........how is the doctrine of Peter and Paul to be reconciled if they are different?
Here is a major conflict in doctrine between Peter and Paul. Peter kept the law..........[Acts 10:13-14 KJV] 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. [Acts 10:28 KJV] 28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. If Paul, and Peter, and the apostles, were all operating as one church, then there would be a conflict because Peter held to the law, and Paul said we aren't under it. Paul taught we aren't under the law..........[Romans 6:14 KJV] 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Paul appointed bishops and deacons in the church............[Philippians 1:1 KJV] 1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:..............Here arises another problem, in the church in Jerusalem overseen by Peter, there are no pastors or deacons, but rather, the Levitical priesthood. Peter's church worshipped in the temple......... [Acts 5:42 KJV] 42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ. [Acts 2:46 KJV] 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
How could Paul have been an apostle in the Jerusalem church headed by Peter, if he was being accused of teaching Jews to forsake Moses and the law?...........[Acts 21:20-21 KJV] 20 And when they heard [it], they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.
[Acts 2:44 KJV] 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;............................What would Paul and the twelve have in common? How could there possibly be all one church when there exist such discrepancies between them? God is not the author of confusion..........[1Corinthians 14:33 KJV] 33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Paul is our apostle for the body of Christ, but he could not be an apostle to the church in Jerusalem headed by Peter.
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« Last post by doug on October 17, 2025, 11:44:13 am »
Here we will examine, that if indeed, there is only one church.
The first notion to dispel is, that scripture identifies there being only one church in existence.
There was a church ( a congregation) in the wilderness before Christ came that worshiped the Lord...........[Acts 7:38 KJV] 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: [Exodus 34:14 KJV] 14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:
If this church is acknowledged, is it unimaginable that there could be others formed during other dispensations?
Jesus established his church...........[Matthew 16:18 KJV] 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.............Lord Jesus chose twelve disciples to be apostles............[Luke 6:13 KJV] 13 And when it was day, he called [unto him] his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
[Acts 2:14 KJV] 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: [Acts 2:41 KJV] 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls...........those that believed Peter were baptized, and were ADDED to them..............[Acts 2:47 KJV] 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved..........The Lord ADDED to them, the existing church, the church Jesus built during his time on earth. A new church was NOT formed at Pentecost. This church continued thru, and beyond the conversion of Paul.
This existing church, built by Jesus, was the church that Paul persecuted before his conversion. This was the church of God, the church at Jerusalem, the little flock........[Acts 8:1 KJV] 1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. [1Corinthians 15:9 KJV] 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. This church was never called the body of Christ.
Paul was saved and chosen by the Lord Jesus to be an apostle to the Gentiles...........[Romans 11:13 KJV] 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Peter and Paul had separate apostleship..............[Galatians 2:8 KJV] 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)..........Peter was apostle to the Jews, and Paul to the Gentiles. Peter and Paul were not apostles over the same church. Their was no animosity between Peter and Paul. Paul could never have been selected as an apostle to the church in Jerusalem because he didn't meet the requirements. To be an apostle with Peter and the twelve, he would have to have been with the other apostles during the entire time Jesus was on earth, beginning from the baptism of John until the ascension of Christ..........[Acts 1:21-22 KJV] 21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
Paul received revelations from the risen Christ Jesus............[Ephesians 3:3-4 KJV] 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)...............Among these revelations, Paul received knowledge of the church Jesus formed for this dispensation of grace. Christ revealed that the church in this dispensation was the body of Christ, and it's members are members of his body. Christ revealed offices and functions to be set in place in the body of Christ.............[1Corinthians 12:27-28 KJV] 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.........................Revealed was Christ as the head of the body............. [Colossians 1:18 KJV] 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence..............Nowhere was the church in Jerusalem, overseen by Peter and the apostles, referred to as being the body of Christ. Nowhere was it said that Jew and Gentile were one body in the church overseen by Peter. Only in the body of Christ was Jew and Gentile revealed to be reconciled in one body............... [Ephesians 2:16 KJV] 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Paul said that the body of Christ would sit in heavenly places..........[Ephesians 1:3 KJV] 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: [Ephesians 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:..........Peter never spoke of himself, or his church, as sitting in heavenly places. Paul said that by the church, the body of Christ, the principalities and powers in heavenly places would know by the church, the body of Christ, the manifold wisdom of God..............[Ephesians 3:10 KJV] 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly [places] might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,..............this was not made known by Peter's church.
What was made known by the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom by Peter and the apostles was that their believing members, would become a holy nation and a kingdom of priests; they would reign with Christ in his earthly kingdom.................[Exodus 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. [Revelation 20:6 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years..............Only Israel was told they would be a kingdom of priests. Nowhere does Paul say the members of the body of Christ are, or will be made priests; this differentiates Peter's church from the body of Christ. Only Peter's church could have the expectation of being priests in the kingdom on earth.
It has been determined that Paul was not qualified to be an apostle along with the twelve apostles in Peter's church according to Acts 1:21-22, as discussed above, yet PAUL IS AN APOSTLE............[Romans 1:1 KJV] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,...............One of the qualifications in Acts 1 :21-22 was "must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.", Paul did see the risen Christ, and did meet this qualification to be an apostle.......................[1Co 9:1 KJV] 1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?..............Paul however, not only could he not be a replacement apostle for Judas, but he also could not be set equally beside Peter and the others as an apostle if there was just one church at the time.
For Paul to be an apostle, he would have had to be an apostle for a DIFFERENT CHURCH. Paul is an apostle to the church, the body of Christ, which means, the body of Christ IS A DIFFERENT CHURCH, ANOTHER CHURCH.
The only conclusion that can be reached is that there are TWO CHURCHES. There is Peter's church and there is the body of Christ. Peter's church was still in operation during Paul's ministry to the body of Christ. The body of Christ is not the same church as Peter's church. Neither is it Peter's church fully manifested in knowledge thru the completed progressive revelation given to the apostle Paul. These two churches have different apostles. These two churches have different destinies; Peter's church is destined to reign with Christ on earth; the body of Christ is destined to dwell in heavenly places. Two churches with different purposes; Peter's church will reconcile the earth and be a blessing to the nations in the kingdom on earth; the body of Christ will reconcile the heavens and make know the wisdom of God. Scripture presents two distinct churches in Christ Jesus.
Footnote: In describing the church at Jerusalem I used the term "Peter's church" only out of convenience It was not Peter's church, It was The Lord Jesus Christ's church.
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[John 1:29 KJV] 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
This is the verse that we will further examine. I think it is a significant verse, and it eluded me. Others say this verse proves John the Baptist knew the gospel. John knew all would be justified by the death and resurrection of Christ.
Let us examine the surrounding verses.
First look at this verse to examine what is meant by the world...........[John 1:10 KJV] 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not..........Jesus came into the world of his creation, but the world knew him not............Jesus came specifically to his own, which was Israel, but they didn't receive him.............[John 1:11 KJV] 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
John was baptizing with water...........[John 1:26 KJV] 26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;.............John the Baptist would make him known to Israel.............[John 1:31 KJV] 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
John exhorted Israel to confess their sins and be water baptized for remission of sins..........[Mark 1:4 KJV] 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. [Luke 3:3 KJV] 3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;............Israel had to be water baptized to have their sins forgiven.
[Matthew 3:13-14 KJV] 13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?...........John knew in saying that Jesus was the lamb of God, that Jesus was sinless and had no need to be water baptized for remission of sin..............[Exodus 12:5 KJV] 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take [it] out from the sheep, or from the goats:............Jesus was baptized to be numbered with the sinners of Israel, to take away, and bear their sin. His water baptism was to take away the sin of the nation Israel...........[Isiah 53:12 KJV] 12 Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
On a final note, if as some say, John knew Jesus would die to forgive sin for all, then why did he not proclaim it. Why would he continue to command Israel to be water baptized to receive remission of sins?
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