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Re: Trinity
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2018, 05:40:24 pm »
This is what the 70 translators of Alexander translated this Hebrew word into GReek, 300 years before Christ followed by other translators down through the centuries with the SAME translation.

When it comes down to it, I believe I will take their expert opinions. The Holy Spirit or Spirit of GOD.
Which "expert" opinion are you referring to?
Of the Greek (possibly Satanist or Mithraist), who translated the Hebrew?
Or of the translator to English (or maybe you can read Greek...)?
Don't believe any expert! Do your own research...


No before we go on, let ask you what is GOD's Breath to YOU?
In fact, that Breath of GOD made you. That BREATH is the SPIRIT of YOU!
I don't believe that God made man in his image, but that man invented God in his image...


Under Mat 1:20 (HNV),, Ruach is used 93 time in 92 verses of the HNV Bible. IN most  all cases it means 'Spirit'.
James Strong's “Greek and Hebrew dictionaries”, 1890 translates the Hebrew and Latin words used in the Bible to English (the numbers refer to the numbers used by Strong): https://archive.org/details/StrongsGreekAndHebrewDictionaries1890

Elohim (# 430) -  God, Magistrates, Angels, Great, Mighty

Elohim is derived from:
El (# 410) – Strength, Mighty, Almighty, God

El is derived from:
Ayil (# 352) – Strength, Strong, Chief, Strong (tree), Mighty (man)


Ruwach (# 7306 & 7307 & 7308) – Wind, “strong” Breath; Spirit (but only of sensible being); fig. life, anger


I still think that it should be translated with “great wind” within the context of Genesis, which is about God creating our Earth, with everything on it in 6 days (and resting on the 7th).

While I agree with you about Strong's definitions I do not agree with your interpretation and neither did the 70 scribes that translated the Hebrew manuscripts to the Septuagint LXX. Rem, they were a lot closer to the people of those days than we are and knew what and how they were saying it. When they say spirit, then in my opinion it was made that way with God's help.

You as an atheist may call it anything, that is your opinion and I am fine with that.

Have a good day.

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2019, 04:23:25 am »
I concur Blade.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: Trinity
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2019, 11:08:11 am »
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ!    (from the OT)

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ!    (from the OT)

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Psalm 2 King James Version (KJV)

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

King James Version (KJV)
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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ!    (from the OT)

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Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:

1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ!    (from the OT)

Blade


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PJ, was you able to open the attached file.

Blade
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Asaph’s Psalm 2 -----Answers about who of the Trinity is speaking! with commentary!

1st Paragraph
Psa 2:1 ..Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 ..The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD,
and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3..Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
*** Speaking is either God (the Father) who is speaking in the third person or the Holy Spirit ***

2nd Paragraph
Psa 2:4 ..He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
 Ps a 2:5 ..Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 .. Yet have I set my king (Jesus Christ) upon my holy hill of Zion. (emphasis added)
*****The one speaking here is God (the Father)…..seen in the embolden section of Psa 2:6******

3rd Paragraph
Psa 2:7 ..I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I
begotten thee. (Jesus Christ is speaking here)
Psa 2:8..Ask of me,(God the Father speaking here) and I shall give thee the heathen for thine
inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 ..Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
*Speaking here is Jesus Christ and God (the Father)..as we see in the (emphasis added) of Psa 2: 7-8 *

4 th Paragraph
Psa 2:10 ..Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
 Psa 2:1 1 ..Serve the LORD (God, the Father) with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
 Psa 2: 1 2..Kiss the Son (Jesus Christ) , lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is
kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. (emphasis added)
*****The one speaking here is the Holy Spirit…..as seen both are spoken of in Psa 2:11-12******


Commentary:
Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:

1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus
Christ!

2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ! (from the OT)

1st Paragraph
In Psa 2:1,,,the people of the earth are rising up against GOD...We see that GOD upon high is seeing
this as it is happening in the distant future. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? A vain thing?

Yes, GOD is looking at the stupidity and arrogance of thinking that they can
challenge HIM in battle when all HE had to do in creating the earth and all it’s inhabitants was speak
“Let there BE”.

I find it incomprehensible that man would consider such a move, even with the backing of Satan. Yet, It
was tried before when the Tower of Babel was being built. The main theme at that time was to overtake

GOD’s place in Heaven. At this time, God uses the same words He used here in Psa 2:3..”LET US”
confound the single language of the day into 70 different languages and spread the people over the
earth.
The Battle of Armageddon is shown to us in Rev 19 and is at the very least a grand failure on the part
of mankind. With the WORD of GOD (Jesus Christ) riding a white Horse, A spoken word is all that
will be needed to end this charade.

2nd Paragraph
We actually find God is laughing at those who would contemplate such a thing. (Psa 2:4-5.) His Wrath
will consume all of them. Yet, He sends His KING (Jesus Christ) to sit upon the throne of David on the
Holy hill of Zion. This last verse also speaks to the very physical 1000 years as HE said “I set my
king (Jesus Christ) upon my holy hill of Zion.” This is not a spiritual event


3rd Paragraph
We find Jesus Christ speaking about what His father has said to him in verse 7 and GOD (the Father)
telling Jesus, “Ask of me” and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost
parts of the earth for thy possession. God (the father) continues to instruct Jesus to rule (the
millennium) with an iron rod in Psa 2:8

4th Paragraph
Here we find the Holy Spirit asking the kings of the earth to serve the Lord (God the Father) or be
destroyed, then tells them and “us” that those who put their faith in HIM (the Son, Jesus Christ) will
be blessed.

As we can see here in the OT, in a Psalm of Asaph, the mystery of GRACE through Jesus
Christ is alive and well.

*The King James Version was used exclusively as other versions are somewhat different depending
upon the year of their printing.

*All verses in the Bible are: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

*Thus God is considered the author of all 66 books through 40 writers including those of Psalm 2.




by Gary Gibson (9/12/2018) at Sharing God’s Word
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:

1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ!    (from the OT)

Blade

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PJ, was you able to open the attached file.

Blade
Yes.


Asaph’s Psalm 2 -----Answers about who of the Trinity is speaking! with commentary!

1st Paragraph
Psa 2:1 ..Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 ..The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD,
and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3..Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
*** Speaking is either God (the Father) who is speaking in the third person or the Holy Spirit ***

2nd Paragraph
Psa 2:4 ..He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
 Ps a 2:5 ..Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 .. Yet have I set my king (Jesus Christ) upon my holy hill of Zion. (emphasis added)
*****The one speaking here is God (the Father)…..seen in the embolden section of Psa 2:6******

3rd Paragraph
Psa 2:7 ..I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I
begotten thee. (Jesus Christ is speaking here)
Psa 2:8..Ask of me,(God the Father speaking here) and I shall give thee the heathen for thine
inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 ..Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
*Speaking here is Jesus Christ and God (the Father)..as we see in the (emphasis added) of Psa 2: 7-8 *

4 th Paragraph
Psa 2:10 ..Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
 Psa 2:1 1 ..Serve the LORD (God, the Father) with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
 Psa 2: 1 2..Kiss the Son (Jesus Christ) , lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is
kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. (emphasis added)
*****The one speaking here is the Holy Spirit…..as seen both are spoken of in Psa 2:11-12******


Commentary:
Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:

1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus
Christ!

2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ! (from the OT)

1st Paragraph
In Psa 2:1,,,the people of the earth are rising up against GOD...We see that GOD upon high is seeing
this as it is happening in the distant future. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? A vain thing?

Yes, GOD is looking at the stupidity and arrogance of thinking that they can
challenge HIM in battle when all HE had to do in creating the earth and all it’s inhabitants was speak
“Let there BE”.

I find it incomprehensible that man would consider such a move, even with the backing of Satan. Yet, It
was tried before when the Tower of Babel was being built. The main theme at that time was to overtake

GOD’s place in Heaven. At this time, God uses the same words He used here in Psa 2:3..”LET US”
confound the single language of the day into 70 different languages and spread the people over the
earth.
The Battle of Armageddon is shown to us in Rev 19 and is at the very least a grand failure on the part
of mankind. With the WORD of GOD (Jesus Christ) riding a white Horse, A spoken word is all that
will be needed to end this charade.

2nd Paragraph
We actually find God is laughing at those who would contemplate such a thing. (Psa 2:4-5.) His Wrath
will consume all of them. Yet, He sends His KING (Jesus Christ) to sit upon the throne of David on the
Holy hill of Zion. This last verse also speaks to the very physical 1000 years as HE said “I set my
king (Jesus Christ) upon my holy hill of Zion.” This is not a spiritual event


3rd Paragraph
We find Jesus Christ speaking about what His father has said to him in verse 7 and GOD (the Father)
telling Jesus, “Ask of me” and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost
parts of the earth for thy possession. God (the father) continues to instruct Jesus to rule (the
millennium) with an iron rod in Psa 2:8

4th Paragraph
Here we find the Holy Spirit asking the kings of the earth to serve the Lord (God the Father) or be
destroyed, then tells them and “us” that those who put their faith in HIM (the Son, Jesus Christ) will
be blessed.

As we can see here in the OT, in a Psalm of Asaph, the mystery of GRACE through Jesus
Christ is alive and well.

*The King James Version was used exclusively as other versions are somewhat different depending
upon the year of their printing.

*All verses in the Bible are: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

*Thus God is considered the author of all 66 books through 40 writers including those of Psalm 2.




by Gary Gibson (9/12/2018) at Sharing God’s Word

Thank you PJ
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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

 

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