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Quote from: Geoff on January 14, 2020, 05:25:23 pm

Can you give me a timeline for the events in Matthew 2?
When did Joseph take Mary and Jesus to Egypt according to Matt?

you want to know what? Jesus was a Child that was approximately 12-18 months old at that time. Thus the trip to Egypt  happened sometime between Sept 29th 2 BC and Herod's death January 14, 1 BC.

I probably can narrow it down a little more but the Bible tells us, Jesus was a child....and Herod killed all the children from 2 years old down. 

My question is:  How did the regular soldier determine the age of a child or did he really care??   

Like that or did you have something else in mind?

Blade

Why were they in Bethlehem 12-18 months later?
Why don't the first few verses of Matt. 2 suggest it was at the time of Jesus' birth?
You seem very certain of the date of Herod's death whereas bible scholars debate the issue. Have you some inside knowledge?

Jer 31:15  Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.
Jer 31:16  Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
Jer 31:17  And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border.

Matt. 2:17-18. Rachel weeping for her children!? Is he serious? Herod slaying these children doesn't fit this at all.
That's if it even happened. Though there are probably more historical writings concerning Herod than any of his contemporaries, this atrocity is not mentioned.
I can hear your cry, that I deny the bible but scripture has internal witness of it's truth. I find none in these cases.

The first two chapters of Matthew give three supposed fulfilments of prophecy, none of which are related in any way to the actual account in tho OT.
The other 2 and their context below.
Mat 1:22  Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isa 7:3  Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field;
Isa 7:4  And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.
Isa 7:5  Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying,
Isa 7:6  Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:
Isa 7:7  Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.
Isa 7:8  For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.
Isa 7:9  And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.
Isa 7:10  Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,
Isa 7:11  Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
Isa 7:12  But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.
Isa 7:13  And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15  Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
Isa 7:16  For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

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Mat 2:15  And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Hos 11:1  When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Exo 4:22  And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Then there's the problem Matthew has with counting and checking his facts when recounting genealogies. Do I need to produce that info or do you know what I'm on about, because this is getting a little long?