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Re: The Genealogy of Jesus
« on: December 13, 2019, 11:16:33 pm »


Hello, Geoff...... Glad to have you on this forum.....

there are two genealogies of Jesus......... One is run through Abraham to Jesus and the other Luke's.

Keep in mind that Joseph's line had a blood curse upon them.  NO (MALE) child of that line could sit on the throne....Which would have also affected Jesus.

Joseph was the legal son of HELI....In other passages, we are told Heli is Mary's father...It was the custom where there were no males in the household, for the father to adopt the son-in-law and thus stabilizing the inheritance of the land, etc.  This is the reason why Joseph is listed ass the Son of Heli. (being the legal son of Heli).

Hope this helps

Blade


Thanks for the welcome.
I understand the curse.
I have several problems with what you wrote.
You say that Joseph was the "legal" son of Heli. There is no scriptural evidence to support the inference of this statement that I am aware of. If you know of this evidence in scripture please present it.
You also say "In other passages, we are told Heli is Mary's father". I am unaware of these passages. Would you please provide them?
You also seek to demonstrate that Mary had no male siblings. Would you provide the scriptural evidence for this please?
I am well aware that the statements you make are widely held to be true but I can't believe that God would leave us to make assumptions concerning something so important.
I mean, how does an assumption, however obvious it may seem, take the place of the word of God?

Psa 132:11  The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

Act 2:30  Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

You say assumptions which is not true...All that needs to be done is a backwards search sometimes.

Mat 1:1-16,,gives us the Genealogy of Adam to David and the royal LEGAL line from DAVID to Jesus..

In Mat 1:16.
." And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

We see above that Joseph was indeed in the LEGAL Royal line of DAVID, He is the Husband of MARY, the mother of Mary.

Thus so far we have established. Joseph (of the royal line) as the Husband of Mary who was the mother of Jesus Christ.

In Luke 3:23-28, we find Luke's genealogy of Jesus from Abraham to David is the same as Matthews.   Yet, from David to Jesus, Luke does not follow the royal line but rather through the second surviving son of Bathsheba, Nathan.  This line starting at Nathan down through Heli, the father of Mary, the Mother of Jesus. The Genealogy in LUKE is backwards with HELI being first in verse


Luk 3:23..(KJV).."And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed ) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"

We also see that Jesus , the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

As above, Joseph already has a father in Matthew....so Heli has to be an adoptive Father as is Joseph being the LEGAL father of Jesus.......

By deductive reasoning, we can see that Mary was the daughter of HELI even though the Bible does not directly say... It can be see as no other way.  FYI: God does this from time to time.....Hiding events, names, etc for the His Kings and priest (the Church (body of Christ)) to seek out and find.

Are you familiar with Jewish LAWs and customs....If I am going over ground you already know, disregard.

On the trip out of Egypt to the wilderness, i was asked of Moses about the father "Zelophehad" who only had daughters and had no sons to receive His inheritance of Land given to them by GOD. This rule permitted the daughters to receive the inheritance if and only if they married within their tribe and their father legally adopted the son-in-law. This is also seen the book of Ruth. I suggest reading this book very cloesly for it is all about Jewish Law on redemption of Land by a Goel. (Boaz).

Here are some passages that you can look upon in your leisure as to the laws and customs of those seen in the above paragraph.  Numbers 26:33; 27:1-11; 36:2-12; Joshua 17:3-6; 1 Chronicles 7:15


Because Jesus was born through the "SEED of the WOMAN" (Mary), her husband Joseph whose biological father was Jacob (Mat 1:16), adopted Jesus as was also the customs and laws given to the Jewish people by GOD.   

There is no assumptions as you can see. Maybe deductive reasoning leaving only one true answer. Many people will say this is not good enough...... It is to me.....because I simply believe every WORD, period, comma, etc to be the true WORD of GOD....SIMPLE

Oh, I almost forgot the Blood Curse on Jechonias (Mat 1:11-12).found in
Jer 22:30..
"Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah."

Thus preventing any male child from Jechonias on down from sitting on the throne of David.....This would have prevented Jesus from ruling from David THrone in the millennium, several prophecies would not be fulfilled. Yet, with the line from the Second Son of Bathsheba to Mary, the Throne was secured for Jesus......

Here we see the craftiness of GOD as when He placed the Blood curse on Jechonias, it surely made Lucifer jump for joy....He had won, and then he (satan)_ figured it out about Mary....

Make no bones about, Satan is trying to stop any one part of the plan of God from being fulfilled. So far (in the KJV), all prophecies have been 100% and many more to go.

Hope this helps. If not be specific and I will try to get you the answer' ;D

Blade









 




1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

 

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