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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2019, 07:24:54 pm »
*We know that at Seith's birth Adam was 130 years old.(2)

*After the murder of Abel by Cain, we find the Population of the world was very significant as there were people throughout the region including east of the Euphrates River (NOD)

I asked a mathematician friend about this:

  I am bothered not knowing how to work out exponent growth patterns. To use a simple population  pattern, no twins, no deaths, let’s consider one birth a year by one person for 13 years when the oldest child also starts having children. All children start having children at 13 years old and keep having children every year. How many people are there in 125 years? How is this for something new?

He answered:
Yeehaw. Branching processes.
Let’s do the simplest case we can first, which we can arrive at because in the case you have here, everything is deterministic and happens in 13 year increments, so you can take one generation to be 13 years and work only in terms of generations. In generation 0, there is 1 person. Each person in the previous generation produced 13 people in the next generation, plus themselves, so, notating the number of people in generation i as N_i,

N_i = 14 * N_{i-1}

with N_0 = 1, the solution to this is N_i = 14^i.

125 years is between 9 and 10 generations, so there are between 20 billion and 289 billion people in this model.

The general program is to set up a recurrence for N_i in terms of earlier values of N, and set an initial condition (N_0). Then you are into the theory of difference equations, which is a well studied area of mathematics that just happens to be rarely taught. You also don’t have to get exact solutions via difference equations. You can just plug in numbers and work your way through:

i  |  N_i
————
0 |  1
1 | 14
2 | 196
3 | 2744
4 | 38416
5 | 537824
6 | 7529536
7 | 105413504

This is only possible if your expression for N_i only depends on the past, not the future. If it depends on the future as well, then you actually need the difference equations. It doesn’t usually depend on the future, but that problem does show up when calculating with boundary values in physics problems (temperature is X at this end, Y at that end, calculate what it is in the middle).


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Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
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tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2019, 08:08:52 pm »
*We know that at Seith's birth Adam was 130 years old.(2)

*After the murder of Abel by Cain, we find the Population of the world was very significant as there were people throughout the region including east of the Euphrates River (NOD)


I asked a mathematician friend about this:

  I am bothered not knowing how to work out exponent growth patterns. To use a simple population  pattern, no twins, no deaths, let’s consider one birth a year by one person for 13 years when the oldest child also starts having children. All children start having children at 13 years old and keep having children every year. How many people are there in 125 years? How is this for something new?

He answered:
Yeehaw. Branching processes.
Let’s do the simplest case we can first, which we can arrive at because in the case you have here, everything is deterministic and happens in 13 year increments, so you can take one generation to be 13 years and work only in terms of generations. In generation 0, there is 1 person. Each person in the previous generation produced 13 people in the next generation, plus themselves, so, notating the number of people in generation i as N_i,

N_i = 14 * N_{i-1}

with N_0 = 1, the solution to this is N_i = 14^i.

125 years is between 9 and 10 generations, so there are between 20 billion and 289 billion people in this model.

The general program is to set up a recurrence for N_i in terms of earlier values of N, and set an initial condition (N_0). Then you are into the theory of difference equations, which is a well studied area of mathematics that just happens to be rarely taught. You also don’t have to get exact solutions via difference equations. You can just plug in numbers and work your way through:

i  |  N_i
————
0 |  1
1 | 14
2 | 196
3 | 2744
4 | 38416
5 | 537824
6 | 7529536
7 | 105413504

This is only possible if your expression for N_i only depends on the past, not the future. If it depends on the future as well, then you actually need the difference equations. It doesn’t usually depend on the future, but that problem does show up when calculating with boundary values in physics problems (temperature is X at this end, Y at that end, calculate what it is in the middle).

I did not speculate on the exact number of people that were in the world at that time. You used a generation of 13 years. God had told us the generation is 39-40 years plus twenty. Therefore I do believe a generation of child birth would be 17-20 years old. 20 Billion is just too much.... It might have been around 150-300 million at that time. That is my supposition.

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Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2019, 03:30:34 pm »
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Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of innocence.

This is kind of a derail but I will answer. The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins. We sinned while still in Adam's loins.
Big, that is HUGE, difference between tithing and creating us evil by means of making us human in Adam's line, a consummate blasphemy!
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #68 on: July 03, 2019, 08:16:16 pm »
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Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of innocence.

This is kind of a derail but I will answer. The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins. We sinned while still in Adam's loins.
Big, that is HUGE, difference between tithing and creating us evil by means of making us human in Adam's line, a consummate blasphemy!

Why is this HUGE?   Adam had already fallen by the time Cain and Abel were born ad YES, they were born into sin. So were you and I.

Blade

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

 

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