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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2019, 07:39:55 pm »
My dear friend @Bladerunner you said: According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a fleshly form to a heavenly form. During the earth itself will be restore to (I believe) the original conditions as seen in Eden during the Millennium.  Thus the sixth day.

Here is what it really says:

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.

Also, here is how I understand the change Believers, and un-believers will go through:

Before identifying the “dead in Christ,” we should note the context in which this phrase is found. The immediate context is 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, which deals with the question of what will happen at the return of the Lord Jesus. Paul’s readers were concerned that when Christ returns, those who have died prior to then would somehow miss out. The primary purpose of this passage is to comfort those believers who have lost believing loved ones.

The message of this passage is a message of hope. Christians have hope that unbelievers do not have when they lose loved ones. There is hope beyond the grave for Christians, and part of that hope is that, at the return of Christ, those who have already died “will rise first.” After that, Christians who are still alive will be transformed. Both groups will be “caught up” and will meet the Lord in the air. Paul closes this section with an admonition to encourage others with this hope.

In this passage, Paul uses the common euphemism of sleep to refer to those who have died in Christ, i.e., believers. Paul wants to comfort his readers that those Christians who have died prior to the return of Christ will not miss out on anything. That is why he opens this section by saying, “But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope” (v. 13).

So to answer the question, the dead in Christ are those believers who have died prior to the second coming of Christ. (Note, whether 1 Thessalonians 4 is referring to the second coming or the rapture is a matter of debate.) Believers, whether dead or alive, belong to Christ. We get similar language from the apostle in his first letter to the Corinthians when he writes, “But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ” (1 Corinthians 15:23). The dead in Christ applies not only to Paul’s original audience, but to all believers who have died in what can be termed the “inter-advental” period, or the time between the first and second comings of Christ.

Another question that may come up in this context is what happens to believers when they die? Certainly, Paul uses sleep to refer to their state, but does this mean that believers experience (for lack of a better word) an unconscious sleep-like state until the future resurrection? Those who advocate this position, called soul sleep, base it on passages such as 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18. But it should be noted that “sleep” as used here is euphemistic. It is not meant to convey actual sleep. In fact, the experience of the believer after death and before the end of the age when Christ returns is conscious, blissful communion with the Lord. Paul hints at this in 2 Corinthians 5:6–8 and Philippians 1:23.

At death, the body lies in repose in the grave awaiting the resurrection of the last day, but the soul goes to be at home with the Lord. This is the doctrine of the intermediate state. Believers experience in a provisional sense the rewards that await them in heaven, while unbelievers experience a taste of their eternal torment in hell (Luke 16:19–31).

I love you my friend, and may God bless us all!


you said:"Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. "

Arius...before you go any further, you have gone to far. Rev. 21 is after the Millennium at the end of the 6th day and the beginning of the seventh day (7,000 years).

I only gave a summary in the last post. If you want to go verse by verse it is ok with me. At is how I read the Bible anyways.  Literally, Historically and Grammatically.

Go back to Rev. 20. where the ANGEL places Satan in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. This is the beginning of the 1,000 years millennium.

If we do not get a good understanding of what each is saying, all the following comments to these wrong beginnings will also be wrong.

If you are going to understand Revelation, we need to start a REV 1.

Have a great day my friend.

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2019, 07:59:17 pm »
My dear friend @Bladerunner you said: According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a fleshly form to a heavenly form. During the earth itself will be restore to (I believe) the original conditions as seen in Eden during the Millennium.  Thus the sixth day.

Here is what it really says:

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.

Also, here is how I understand the change Believers, and un-believers will go through:

Before identifying the “dead in Christ,” we should note the context in which this phrase is found. The immediate context is 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, which deals with the question of what will happen at the return of the Lord Jesus. Paul’s readers were concerned that when Christ returns, those who have died prior to then would somehow miss out. The primary purpose of this passage is to comfort those believers who have lost believing loved ones.

The message of this passage is a message of hope. Christians have hope that unbelievers do not have when they lose loved ones. There is hope beyond the grave for Christians, and part of that hope is that, at the return of Christ, those who have already died “will rise first.” After that, Christians who are still alive will be transformed. Both groups will be “caught up” and will meet the Lord in the air. Paul closes this section with an admonition to encourage others with this hope.

In this passage, Paul uses the common euphemism of sleep to refer to those who have died in Christ, i.e., believers. Paul wants to comfort his readers that those Christians who have died prior to the return of Christ will not miss out on anything. That is why he opens this section by saying, “But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope” (v. 13).

So to answer the question, the dead in Christ are those believers who have died prior to the second coming of Christ. (Note, whether 1 Thessalonians 4 is referring to the second coming or the rapture is a matter of debate.) Believers, whether dead or alive, belong to Christ. We get similar language from the apostle in his first letter to the Corinthians when he writes, “But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ” (1 Corinthians 15:23). The dead in Christ applies not only to Paul’s original audience, but to all believers who have died in what can be termed the “inter-advental” period, or the time between the first and second comings of Christ.

Another question that may come up in this context is what happens to believers when they die? Certainly, Paul uses sleep to refer to their state, but does this mean that believers experience (for lack of a better word) an unconscious sleep-like state until the future resurrection? Those who advocate this position, called soul sleep, base it on passages such as 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18. But it should be noted that “sleep” as used here is euphemistic. It is not meant to convey actual sleep. In fact, the experience of the believer after death and before the end of the age when Christ returns is conscious, blissful communion with the Lord. Paul hints at this in 2 Corinthians 5:6–8 and Philippians 1:23.

At death, the body lies in repose in the grave awaiting the resurrection of the last day, but the soul goes to be at home with the Lord. This is the doctrine of the intermediate state. Believers experience in a provisional sense the rewards that await them in heaven, while unbelievers experience a taste of their eternal torment in hell (Luke 16:19–31).

I love you my friend, and may God bless us all!


you said:"Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. "

Arius...before you go any further, you have gone to far. Rev. 21 is after the Millennium at the end of the 6th day and the beginning of the seventh day (7,000 years).

I only gave a summary in the last post. If you want to go verse by verse it is ok with me. At is how I read the Bible anyways.  Literally, Historically and Grammatically.

Go back to Rev. 20. where the ANGEL places Satan in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. This is the beginning of the 1,000 years millennium.

If we do not get a good understanding of what each is saying, all the following comments to these wrong beginnings will also be wrong.

If you are going to understand Revelation, we need to start a REV 1.

Have a great day my friend.

Blade


Arius, I said:" According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a fleshly form to a heavenly form."

This was a mistake and I would like to rephrase this statement for the reader of these posts.  When the Rapture happens those of the Church (Bride/Body of Christ) will be removed from earth, will receive a new Body (translated body) that is like that of Jesus Christ for we sill see him as HE is.

These parts of mankind  (OT Saints, Bride of Christ, Martyred Saints)
will ascend from mortal man to immortal Sons of GOD.  1 John 3:1-2

My apologies for the previous miss-statement concerning humanity.

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2019, 01:13:46 am »
Dear Arius,

I just notice that you have been disagreeing mostly to my post above, would that be correct statement of facts?

Perhaps, I could explain myself further for your better understanding of my perspective of the subject matter. Just let me know exactly why and which of my statements or claims you're disagreeing with, so we can also discuss it further, if you want to.

I know, my view is very peculiar  and contrary to mostly traditional teachings. Rest assure however, that I only use the Scripture (KJV) to support what I post and claim. Given, an opportunity, I can also help you to better understand my position of the subject matter at hand to avoid any assumption or speculation of my stand.

Thank you and best regards, my friend.

God bless



May the Lord bless you too my friend Seve, and hopefully Brothers in Christ.

Yes, I would love to understand more of your take on the Bible, that's how I learned more in the first year debating on Forums then the 20 years that my Church had me read the Bible and pray about what I did not understand. You know, one of those strict Christian Denominations that thought "they were the Only Truth, thus the Only Way" and everyone else was lost, going to hell.

I too have an .. how should I say: unorthodox understanding of the Bible, even Unchristian-like understanding. I don't believe that any of the gods in Christianity is our Heavenly Creator mentioned in the Bible. So yes, I can understand where different views can arise from. But we can talk about that later.

First, after re-reading your above post reminded me going back some years following the teachings of this Pastor Arnold Murray, you wouldn't happen to be associated with this "Shepherds Chapel" denomination would you?

God bless us both my friend, I do want to get to know your thoughts, feelings, and especially your "faith" in Christ, what your faith is built on?
Mainly; "which Christ?" since I'm sure you agree we have a plethora of them in Christianity, right? It would be a terrible waste to build our 'house' (faith) on doctrines of men, rather then the Rock; Jesus Christ as he reveals the Father to us in the Bible.


Dear Arius,

First of, thank you also for the blessings.

While, I have seen some of Pastor Arnold Murray’ Religious TV Program, I am NOT associated with them whatsoever. In fact, I believe I had few encounter, disagreement and discussion with them in the past - in one of the Christian Forums I was a member of.

Anyway, each Christian or follower of Christ has his own measure of information. I do not question the work of the Holy Spirit, for His ways are above my ways. Each us learns what we should know, as the Holy Spirit leads us.

That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth.  Look at all the denominations.  If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie, you will find that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice teaches only part of God's Truth.

Why?  Because ONLY those who have Faith, not knowledge, can enter the Kingdom of God.  The complexity of views of the various denominations assure that we must come to God by Faith alone, no matter the denomination.

God bless

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2019, 06:40:01 pm »

Dear Arius,

First of, thank you also for the blessings.

While, I have seen some of Pastor Arnold Murray’ Religious TV Program, I am NOT associated with them whatsoever. In fact, I believe I had few encounter, disagreement and discussion with them in the past - in one of the Christian Forums I was a member of.

Anyway, each Christian or follower of Christ has his own measure of information. I do not question the work of the Holy Spirit, for His ways are above my ways. Each us learns what we should know, as the Holy Spirit leads us.


Thank you my friend for your kind response.

I'd like to remind you of 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess [a]that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

But this just refers to one type of false spirit, which the Jews even till today listen to, but we know there are more, correct? Like this one who actually acknowledged that Jesus was the son of God here on earth in the flesh:

Mathew 8:28 When He had come to the other side, to the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon-possessed men, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass that way. 29 And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

So we see that not every spirit that confesses Jesus is the son of God in the flesh is of God, and there are millions of men and women that confess him, yet we know they don't follow Jesus, but Lucifer the devil instead.

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That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth.  Look at all the denominations.  If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie, you will find that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice teaches only part of God's Truth.

Yes, Christianity is a Big Pie, but I would not go far as saying they collectively reveal the whole truth. Actually I would say they are all defending the Christian truth, which is far from Gods Truth.

Mathew 12:24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?


So you see that all Christian denominations are really one, how else would of Christianity stand for 1,700 years. Many tens of thousands of denominations with one mind, in the name of one Religion; "Christianity" protecting and teaching the one main man made doctrine which is the plural-gods doctrine, or that God is more than one.

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Why?  Because ONLY those who have Faith, not knowledge, can enter the Kingdom of God.  The complexity of views of the various denominations assure that we must come to God by Faith alone, no matter the denomination.

God bless

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Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

You see, what you said was Christian doctrine, it is just one of the many false teachings that make up the Pie.

Faith without evidence with substance is "blind faith", which is actually one of the first rules to become, and remain a Christian.
I was excommunicated for "questioning the tenets of my Christian Religion", the Elders told me this shown a great lack of faith and trust in the CHURCH of Christ which they assumed was Christianity, and of course; in Gods chosen Servants, the Ministers and Elders (please note the emphasis).

We can't make up things that are not Scriptural, or that can not be backed up by Scripture like the plurality of God, or that God created us in an unmentioned realm, or pre-creation.
We are to examine all thing, so I consider every idea, and then look for that "evidence with substance" in Scripture to justify it. I pray you will look into what I told you, and if you find something unscriptural, by all means show me.

I would like to say this, that listening to, and then investigating the Flat Earth theory (which is actually fact) is the best thing I have done in my walk with Christ. It reveal many conspiracies that leads right to the invention of the Christian Religion, and the real truth as to how and why it was created.
It blew my mind, especially realizing how long this been going on without me ever even looking into it deeper. That part is frightening, because the whole world is following "Pan" the pied Piper.



God bless you my friend!

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2019, 05:50:50 am »
Dear Arius,

Just so you know, to begin with,  I don’t  blame the Whole Christianity just because, most of them do NOT support my view and perspective of the Scripture... nor will I allow myself to participate anymore further discussion of the above ... simply because, it deals MOSTLY with BIAS PERSONAL OPINION and CIRCULAR ARGUMENT.

The fact is, most Christians of different denominations, do Not agree with my doctrinal stands, but they see that I support my views with Scripture, but most have Never been taught what I post. In time, however, they accept me, but cling to the ideas they have been taught.

As I have said before…. The complexity of views of the various denominations assure that we all must come to God by Faith alone, no matter the denomination.

SUBSTANCE OF FAITH NOT SEEN:

While I agree with some but not everything you are saying about “Faith”….allow me to explain to you what “FAITH NOT SEEN” for your further knowledge of Biblical Truth, according to the Scripture….

The "Faith", which allows one to see, is provided to us, when God gives us the Faith to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, according to the Scriptures. It is a GIFT from God to men. Without this Faith, one cannot be Born Again.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of  yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Once, you have received this Faith, you can begin to look for the evidence of  things not seen as Hebrews 11:1 shows.

Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Notice that Faith is Substance and Evidence.

Once you have been Born Again, spiritually in Christ, it doesn't mean that you must accept everything else in Scripture as you have been taught by Blind Faith, since it is now possible for you to look for the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen, before you were made alive Spiritually.

That's what I do, and it is really thrilling to discover the evidence of God, which I call PROOF of God, since it is PROOF to me. Since I believe, I have been Born Again, spiritually in Christ, by Faith.

God bless
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2019, 03:10:15 am »
Dear Arius,

Just so you know, to begin with,  I don’t  blame the Whole Christianity just because, most of them do NOT support my view and perspective of the Scripture... nor will I allow myself to participate anymore further discussion of the above ... simply because, it deals MOSTLY with BIAS PERSONAL OPINION and CIRCULAR ARGUMENT.

Thank you Seve, and you don't have to discuss the "Christian Religion" subject, that is fine, I respect that.
But may I ask you why you feel that it deals MOSTLY with BIAS PERSONAL OPINION and CIRCULAR ARGUMENT?
Just for my record, I want to consider everything, the last thing I want on that Last Day from my Lord is to tell me "You were wrong!" You know what I mean?

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The fact is, most Christians of different denominations, do Not agree with my doctrinal stands, but they see that I support my views with Scripture, but most have Never been taught what I post. In time, however, they accept me, but cling to the ideas they have been taught.

And you don't see anything wrong with that?

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As I have said before…. The complexity of views of the various denominations assure that we all must come to God by Faith alone, no matter the denomination.

Sectarianism Is Sin
1 Cor 1:

10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all [d]speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

Even though Paul is speaking about who baptized who, contentions Is A Sin. Is Christ divided?

How do you think the 2 billion Muslims come to Allah, .. it is by faith alone. Matter of fact, unquestionable faith, .. right?

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SUBSTANCE OF FAITH NOT SEEN:

While I agree with some but not everything you are saying about “Faith”….allow me to explain to you what “FAITH NOT SEEN” for your further knowledge of Biblical Truth, according to the Scripture….

The "Faith", which allows one to see, is provided to us, when God gives us the Faith to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, according to the Scriptures. It is a GIFT from God to men. Without this Faith, one cannot be Born Again.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of  yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Of course it is a gift of God, because salvation cost God His own precious son. We could never repay that.
The substance is the "prophesies" that have been written thousands of years before "the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us" It is this that saves us, not because our family is Muslim/Christian and we have to accept Islam/Christianity or go to hell! You know what I mean?

We didn't just accept someone claiming that a man named George died, and if we believe it we will be saved and go to Heaven! Where is the "substance" in that, right?

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Once, you have received this Faith, you can begin to look for the evidence of  things not seen as Hebrews 11:1 shows.

Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Notice that Faith is Substance and Evidence.

If you already received this information (whatever it may be) and accepted it in faith, you don't need to look for evidence. That is what Islam is all about, first the poor Arabs must believe in, and accept Islam and Allah, and then they keep making up stories to keep believing. Like that if they blow themselves up and kill a bunch of non-Muslims, they are guaranteed to get into Paradise because that is what pleases Allah. Then they make up stories regarding the rewards, what they will get in Paradise once they get there.

Same things are happening in Christianity, people make up all kinds of NDE's and how they seen God in person, how they hugged Him and even remember his eye colors, one blue and the other green. And many seen their pets there in Heaven too! All this because their faith is not built on evidence with substance, but have accepted a story on blind faith. So they accept just about any story as long as the name Jesus, or God is in there.

Not so with true Believers, they KNOW which stories belong, and which are made up, or even lies.

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Once you have been Born Again, spiritually in Christ, it doesn't mean that you must accept everything else in Scripture as you have been taught by Blind Faith, since it is now possible for you to look for the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen, before you were made alive Spiritually.

That's what I do, and it is really thrilling to discover the evidence of God, which I call PROOF of God, since it is PROOF to me. Since I believe, I have been Born Again, spiritually in Christ, by Faith.

God bless
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Look, I understand what you are saying, and I am not saying that faith cannot come by the smallest of packages/evidences, like just watching a Believers actions and how he or she lives her life. One can question him about what makes him this wonderful being full of love, and possess this peace beyond all understanding? He then can open the Bible and preach about Christ, right? BAM, if that that person is convinced, he can become an instant believer. This is what Jesus did, but he first shown miracles, which were recorded by other men as witnesses.
Today, we read of these reports and decide if they were true or not, right?

Do you know how many Christs have come and gone since Jesus? They shown such love, such peace beyond understanding, such compassion for peoples needs, and got up and helped hundreds of people, financially, emotionally, and preaching right from the Bible all that time.
One of these was Jim Jones, and there are others today, this Russian Jesus that people from around the earth are flocking to and settling down with.

OK, now I'm sure you know what happened with Jim Jones and the Guyana tragedy, right? Now I ask you a few things:
First, do you believe that all them people murdered went to Heaven?

Second, since according to the peoples claims, they were all "Christians" believers in Jesus Christ, do you agree that all the those people were really true believers in Jesus Christ? In other words, would you say they went to Heaven, and that Jim Jones will take all the blame for deceiving them?

Third, what should have made them realize that Pastor Jones was really not a true believer? I don't mean when they went to Guyana, but when they were still in the States!?

Thank you, and God bless you.

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2019, 01:20:42 pm »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2019, 09:40:19 pm »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.

Arius, do you not read the Bible (KJV)..Gen 3:23-24.."Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  v.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2019, 01:32:36 am »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.

Arius, do you not read the Bible (KJV)..Gen 3:23-24.."Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  v.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Blade


Yes my friend, that is exactly what I was pointing out, that God planet a Garden in Eden. The garden did not cover the entire land of Eden, but a small part of it. It was a Garden IN Eden, but Eden was not the Garden.
Just like; "the trees of Lebanon" doesn't mean Lebanon was a tree.
It was at the east of the garden of Eden that God placed Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2019, 01:34:12 am »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.

Arius, do you not read the Bible (KJV)..Gen 3:23-24.."Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  v.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Blade


Yes my friend, that is exactly what I was pointing out, that God planet a Garden in Eden. The garden did not cover the entire land of Eden, but a small part of it. It was a Garden IN Eden, but Eden was not the Garden.
Just like; "the trees of Lebanon" doesn't mean Lebanon was a tree.
It was at the east of the garden of Eden that God placed Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Where is the 'Garden of Eden' or just 'Eden' today.  You said you knew?

Blade

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2019, 04:30:55 pm »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.

Arius, do you not read the Bible (KJV)..Gen 3:23-24.."Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  v.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Blade


Yes my friend, that is exactly what I was pointing out, that God planet a Garden in Eden. The garden did not cover the entire land of Eden, but a small part of it. It was a Garden IN Eden, but Eden was not the Garden.
Just like; "the trees of Lebanon" doesn't mean Lebanon was a tree.
It was at the east of the garden of Eden that God placed Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Where is the 'Garden of Eden' or just 'Eden' today.  You said you knew?

Blade


Here is a brother that makes sense in defining where the Garden of Eden is:



Sounds real Biblical to me, what do you think?

Of course he seems like a Christian and Globe earther, other than that, his info sounds solid.

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2019, 05:12:16 pm »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.

Arius, do you not read the Bible (KJV)..Gen 3:23-24.."Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  v.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Blade


Yes my friend, that is exactly what I was pointing out, that God planet a Garden in Eden. The garden did not cover the entire land of Eden, but a small part of it. It was a Garden IN Eden, but Eden was not the Garden.
Just like; "the trees of Lebanon" doesn't mean Lebanon was a tree.
It was at the east of the garden of Eden that God placed Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Where is the 'Garden of Eden' or just 'Eden' today.  You said you knew?

Blade


Here is a brother that makes sense in defining where the Garden of Eden is:



Sounds real Biblical to me, what do you think?

Of course he seems like a Christian and Globe earther, other than that, his info sounds solid.
,

I will have to agree with the video author in that the Garden of Eden is of another dimension.

The last verse in Gen 3:24..."So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Here we see Got put the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life under guard of Cherubims (plural). He does not tell us how many.

The use of other dimensions is common in the Bible as the most famous one being in the upper room where Jesus simply appears in the room. The bible gives us clues to around 10 other dimensions. We, of course have only three dimensions.

We know where the Garden of Eden was located. It was just in another dimension and will stay there until the millennium arrives.

Blade
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2019, 07:27:58 pm »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.

Arius, do you not read the Bible (KJV)..Gen 3:23-24.."Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  v.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Blade


Yes my friend, that is exactly what I was pointing out, that God planet a Garden in Eden. The garden did not cover the entire land of Eden, but a small part of it. It was a Garden IN Eden, but Eden was not the Garden.
Just like; "the trees of Lebanon" doesn't mean Lebanon was a tree.
It was at the east of the garden of Eden that God placed Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Where is the 'Garden of Eden' or just 'Eden' today.  You said you knew?

Blade


Here is a brother that makes sense in defining where the Garden of Eden is:



Sounds real Biblical to me, what do you think?

Of course he seems like a Christian and Globe earther, other than that, his info sounds solid.
,

I will have to agree with the video author in that the Garden of Eden is of another dimension.

The last verse in Gen 3:24..."So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Here we see Got put the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life under guard of Cherubims (plural). He does not tell us how many.

The use of other dimensions is common in the Bible as the most famous one being in the upper room where Jesus simply appears in the room. The bible gives us clues to around 10 other dimensions. We, of course have only three dimensions.

We know where the Garden of Eden was located. It was just in another dimension and will stay there until the millennium arrives.

Blade


I agree my brother, but I think we have one more dimension then three, for we see the three dimensions with our mind, which is the fourth dimension.

You seem to know 6 more dimensions then I'm aware of. I would love to learn about them.

Please don't shun me my friend, I don't mind you thinking of me as an Arian Heretic, because I was where you were not too long ago. Let us keep sharpening our knowledge of the Lord, .. it is what we are here for, right?
Remember I asked that no one take what I say offensively, it is not personal. My stand against the Trinity-gods is personal, just as my stand against the Globe earth is. We're talking about a 500 some year old Globe-earth doctrine, and a 1,700 year old trinity doctrine. I mean my Lord, how many generations is that, right?

Something about these last days, where even an under schooled dumb-dog like me can search out history, and information that would take a Scholar years if this was just a 50 years ago, like the 60's. So we should be able to get to the bottom of this Trinity Doctrine rather quickly, because I doubt we'll have any greater opportunity in the coming near future then what we have today?

God bless you Blade

Arius
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