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Quote from: Theo102 on October 08, 2018, 02:10:04 am

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Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus tells us in John 8:14.

No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of innocence.

This is kind of a derail but I will answer.

The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.


We sinned while still in Adam's loins.

I think it comes down to understanding sin in a broader since than just behavior.  Sin is a condition from which behaviors are produced.  Christ introduced this concept in the sermon on the mount and when he said, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.

This condition results from the Spirit of God being absent from the soul of a man leaving merely the flesh.  As Jesus told Nicodemus, That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which is born of flesh is flesh.

When Adam and Eve sinned, the rejected the Spirit of God in them in favor of the serpents promises and thus became creatures of flesh in capable of sustaining righteousness.  Unfortunately, this condition was passed on to their off spring.

Like a pregnant mother who abuse drugs and passes on her abuses to her baby, we are born lacking God's indwelling spirit which makes sinful behavior all but inevitable as we develop.

Christ, in taking our place and bearing our seperatedness  from God restored that Connection for all who desire it.  So, it was not a specific behavior that God blamed us for but rather a God of love looking down on the broken Human race and sending His Son to bear our brokenness that we might enjoy His contentedness by Grace through our faith.

God Speed