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Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2019, 01:13:36 pm »
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Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of innocence.


This is kind of a derail but I will answer.

The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.


We sinned while still in Adam's loins.

I think it comes down to understanding sin in a broader since than just behavior.  Sin is a condition from which behaviors are produced.  Christ introduced this concept in the sermon on the mount and when he said, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.

This condition results from the Spirit of God being absent from the soul of a man leaving merely the flesh.  As Jesus told Nicodemus, That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which is born of flesh is flesh.

When Adam and Eve sinned, the rejected the Spirit of God in them in favor of the serpents promises and thus became creatures of flesh in capable of sustaining righteousness.  Unfortunately, this condition was passed on to their off spring.

Like a pregnant mother who abuse drugs and passes on her abuses to her baby, we are born lacking God's indwelling spirit which makes sinful behavior all but inevitable as we develop.

Christ, in taking our place and bearing our seperatedness  from God restored that Connection for all who desire it.  So, it was not a specific behavior that God blamed us for but rather a God of love looking down on the broken Human race and sending His Son to bear our brokenness that we might enjoy His contentedness by Grace through our faith.

God Speed

Wow @Grace_Accepted, that totally makes sense Biblically/logically, I especially like your "mother on drugs" part. Also that it was "God sending His Son to bear our brokenness" and not that God came down.

God bless you.


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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2019, 02:57:26 pm »
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Bladerunner said:
And I have tried every way to show you why the TRUE CHRISTIAN is NOT the same as the RCC.

I guess we have nothing else to discuss.

Blade


Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

If someone calls me an "Idiot" for believing, and following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ who said he was "the Way, the truth and the Life", doesn't mean I have to accept it and go by that derogatory name, right?

Now if you can show me where the Early Disciples who walked as "followers of the Way" ever 'referred to themselves as "Christians", then we would have something to go on. Instead we see it was something that burdened them, even to a point of suffering:

1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.


No Disciple of Christ, especially no Apostle would ever suffer for being called: "Hey you; follower of the Way!" But being mocked by a word like "Christian" can get tiresome.

Now we know who made a Religion out of that name though, .. right? Rome did through Constantine with his Roman Catholic Church who worshipped many gods, but especially the sun god. You really cannot deny this, as I have shown you many YouTube videos of the RCC Christians worshipping the sun god on Sundays.
Also, where did the Apostles ever mention that "God is three persons", .. where? Show me even ONE mention in the Bible of God being "three persons", or "being baptized three times", or either the "son Word, or the Holy Spirit is just one person who make up God as a Trinity" or that "God is plural, made up of many"? But I can show you a demon who actually was plural. One, made up of many:

Mark 5:9
Then He asked him, “What is your name?” And he answered, saying, “My name is Legion; for we are many.”

Mark 5:15
Then they came to Jesus, and saw the one who had been demon-possessed and had the legion, sitting and clothed and in his right mind. And they were afraid.

Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him.


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The word Christian is a greek word: "Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian. "

The word appears three times in the Bible in three unique forms.

You follower of the Way only appears once in the NIV version ( a corrupted version) and it reads like this.......

Acts 24:14 (NIV).."However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, "

Acts 24:14 (KJV).."But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: "

During the days of Paul, the Judaizers called (the followers of the Way) those that followed the LAW and the Prophets. Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them.

You are following the wrong path my friend. The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ by Faith. (1 COR 15:1-4)

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So what you're saying is that Paul was a rebel, a "Follower of the Way", .. a pusher of the Law rather than a Believer by faith? No wonder he opened the door to the Gentiles, he was mad, and went according to the Jewish Law, and by hallucinations.

I guess Christian does have the word "Christ" in it, while the "follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life" does not. Besides, Christianity being the most numerous and militarily the most powerful Religion on the Globe proves they follow Christ because it's obvious the gods are with them. The gods, .. especially the son-god is definitely strong in this one, even helped wipe them "Follower of the Way" heretics off the face of the globe.

“You almost persuade me to become a Christian” Blade, and if Paul knew what would come in the near future he would have rejoiced in not only turning King Agrippa into a Christian, but the entire Roman Empire! Maybe King Agrippa had something to do with Christianity becoming the most mighty Religion for the next 1,700 years, and maybe he past it down to Constantine!?

I mean it sounds pretty convincing, .. better than following a loser, "a failure on the cross" as the Holiest of Christian Fathers says.

Arius,, Try rereading this verse again. "Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them."

Thats right, the very tiny word of YET, also means future. "all things written yet" Paul believed in Jesus Christ and all things written in the future. This is confirmed to be a future date as "he is helping to fulfill them."

The judaizers were those Jews that followed the law of Moses for they had rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

I have not changed Arius. I am open to all ideas about the Bible and GOD's WORD but reserved the right to reject them at any time.

Blade

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Yes my friend, we have free will, and like billions of people out there, we can accept, or reject Scripture, .. especially the verses that were "added" to support the Trinity Doctrine. And you can reject Paul, and even Jesus himself.

I can reject Paul and Jesus? Paul is the our apostle during this period of GRACE. Jesus is  the Lord GOD. Now why would I reject either of them?

The verses in the KJV agree with around 5,000 manuscripts written by students of Rabbis, etc., who had the original epistles, gospels and other teachings of Jesus Christ and His writers.  They agree almost to perfection with the KJV.... If you want to study  the other versions and expect them to help get you to heaven then don't waste your breath. Most of them deny the deity of Jesus Christ and that my friend is a  huge problem.

You Aries, have a great day sir:

Blade


Sorry @Bladeruner, I must have misunderstood you!? I still stick with KJV and then switch to NKJV when I post, but exactly for the reason you hold on to the KJV, is the parts of it that I reject, the added deification of Gods son Word. Making the son equal to God, which is exactly what the Pharisees tried to do so they could accuse him on "blasphemy" charges.

.. Woe, wait, .. again this train of thought is wrong. It's like the Flat Earther saying: "Millions of people around the Globe believe that the earth is Flat", .. you know what I mean? That's just wrong. Well the same way in what I said above is wrong, and this is because in both cases (Trinity and Flat Earth) we been so brainwashed onto a false "track of mind" we just cant seem to get off of it, .. or time to time we find ourselves on it again.

I just realized this not long ago, and learned the proper use of the word "deification".
Definition of

deification - Marriam-Webster
: the act or an instance of deifying
Synonyms
adulation, hero worship, idolatry, idolization, worship, worshipping


Also:
Apotheosis is the glorification of a subject to divine level. The term has meanings in theology, where it refers to a belief, and in art, where it refers to a genre. In theology, apotheosis refers to the idea that an individual has been raised to godlike stature

So what really happen when we refer to our Infinite and Eternal Spirit/Mind Creator God as a "deity"? Look at the definition and ask ourselves: "Does God/Infinite need to be deified to godhood?"

Deification is the process, and deity is the product. God, Bible God our Creator cannot be a "product", especially from man.

Jesus on the other hand was deified by God Himself, who created him.

Ephesians 1:15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.

22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.


So the son Word, who became flesh and dwelt amongst us whom now we know as "Jesus Christ" was deified/raised up by God, who is his God and our God, his Father and our Father above Moses (who God also deified as a god to both Pharaoh and his brother Aaron) and above all other Principalities and Powers, to the "Right Hand" of the Spirit-Power God Himself.

What the gentile Roman church who took on the mock name "Christian" did was deify Jesus to the height of God/Infinite, so they could not only kill Jesus, but God/Infinite Himself. If not in reality, they did it in the hearts and minds of men.


Arius
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2019, 03:16:00 pm »
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Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of innocence.


This is kind of a derail but I will answer.

The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.


We sinned while still in Adam's loins.

I think it comes down to understanding sin in a broader since than just behavior.  Sin is a condition from which behaviors are produced.  Christ introduced this concept in the sermon on the mount and when he said, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.

This condition results from the Spirit of God being absent from the soul of a man leaving merely the flesh.  As Jesus told Nicodemus, That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which is born of flesh is flesh.

When Adam and Eve sinned, the rejected the Spirit of God in them in favor of the serpents promises and thus became creatures of flesh in capable of sustaining righteousness.  Unfortunately, this condition was passed on to their off spring.

Like a pregnant mother who abuse drugs and passes on her abuses to her baby, we are born lacking God's indwelling spirit which makes sinful behavior all but inevitable as we develop.

Christ, in taking our place and bearing our seperatedness  from God restored that Connection for all who desire it.  So, it was not a specific behavior that God blamed us for but rather a God of love looking down on the broken Human race and sending His Son to bear our brokenness that we might enjoy His contentedness by Grace through our faith.

God Speed

Wow @Grace_Accepted, that totally makes sense Biblically/logically, I especially like your "mother on drugs" part. Also that it was "God sending His Son to bear our brokenness" and not that God came down.

God bless you.


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Arius my brother, are you also evidence on TF?

Patrick jane my Brother, why yes,  I thought you knew that? On "Christian Forums" I was Arius also, while on "Debate.org" I was Evidence

I was going to ask you, do you know a fellow Flat Earther going by "Erfisflat"?
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2019, 11:41:13 pm »
Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people and forget names  but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to both forums !!!
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2019, 03:37:21 pm »
Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people and forget names  but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to both forums !!!

Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were to ask me it real quick.

Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.

I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth, and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2019, 10:08:13 pm »
Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people and forget names  but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to both forums !!!

Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were to ask me it real quick.

Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.

I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth, and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
I really like your posts and I learn from you so that you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND the end. Keep it up I love it !!!
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2019, 07:51:56 pm »
Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people and forget names  but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to both forums !!!

Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were to ask me it real quick.

Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.

I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth, and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
I really like your posts and I learn from you so that you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND the end. Keep it up I love it !!!

Now I just wish I could make you see the deception of the Christian Religion and their Trinity-gods doctrine, we could make some good YouTube videos to wake good people who love God, and the Bible up and back to the True and Only "Way".
I liken Christianity to NASA, both billionaires, rob people of the most money, cause the most pain and suffering in the world,and have the masses deceived by the same tricks.

NASA by pointing to the heavens, and RCC Christian pointing to the Bible. In both cases what they're pointing at, and what they explain about them do not exist.

Have you seen this, just today:

 FOX News
NASA’s Hubble space telescope captures two colliding galaxies

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/nasas-hubble-space-telescope-captures-two-colliding-galaxies/vi-BBUJ5DJ?ocid=spartanntp

Look at their headline, then look what they show Hubble (which is tucked away in a lab somewhere at Huston Center) "capturing"? Lol

Arius/evidence
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2019, 12:13:50 am »
Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people and forget names  but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to both forums !!!

Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were to ask me it real quick.

Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.

I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth, and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
I really like your posts and I learn from you so that you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND the end. Keep it up I love it !!!

Now I just wish I could make you see the deception of the Christian Religion and their Trinity-gods doctrine, we could make some good YouTube videos to wake good people who love God, and the Bible up and back to the True and Only "Way".
I liken Christianity to NASA, both billionaires, rob people of the most money, cause the most pain and suffering in the world,and have the masses deceived by the same tricks.

NASA by pointing to the heavens, and RCC Christian pointing to the Bible. In both cases what they're pointing at, and what they explain about them do not exist.

Have you seen this, just today:

 FOX News
NASA’s Hubble space telescope captures two colliding galaxies

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/nasas-hubble-space-telescope-captures-two-colliding-galaxies/vi-BBUJ5DJ?ocid=spartanntp

Look at their headline, then look what they show Hubble (which is tucked away in a lab somewhere at Huston Center) "capturing"? Lol

Arius/evidence

The use of Trinity-gods is false as well is your theology, Arius or Evidence

are you married and have kids>?//  Lets take NED for an example.
Ned says.. I am Ned, I am a son, I am a husband, I am Father, I am grandfather and so on.

Now the Lord God is far more complicated than that but in essence, Ned is all of those characters yet Ned is not. He reacts to his kids differently than He does with his grand-kids. He reacts differently to his wife  than he reacts to his parents as a son. Yet, if he make a commitment as a son to his father, it is he, NED who will be actually doing the essence of the commitment.

The Trinity comes from the three characters in essence, God (Our Lord) is(God, the Father), is (Jesus Christ) and is(the Holy Spirit). For these three essences react among themselves, the people of earth differently than each other yet they are the same LORD GOD.

thus God is Jesus Christ and God is the Holy Spirit and vice versa.

Of course I know that your theology only allows that Jesus is not GOD but a god who was raised to that level when he ascended to heaven after his resurrection.

Yet, in Isaiah 48:12"Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."  This is Jesus speaking for in the next verse.

Isa 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together."  Then in Isa 48:16

Isa 48:16  "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."  As you can see they sent Jesus Christ.

Having established who this is, the in verse 12, we see the same words used by Jesus again in Revelation 1:11.."I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:".

This is in the OT and a prophecy that He will come to them as the messiah, yet because in the same chapter, He is also talking about His second coming, they did not separate them out, thus rejecting their messiah.

As we see in 1 Tim 3:16.."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"God was manifest in the flesh" was Jesus Christ

There are a lot of verses that tell us not only that Jesus is GOD but also the Holy Spirit is GOD.

Yet, to deny the Deity of Jesus Christ, is to deny the Trinity if not in word only for the word "Trinity" doe not appear in the Bible. Thus it is easier for those that taught you to feed you a false gospel and for you to continue feeding that false gospel to others.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2019, 12:54:21 am »
Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people and forget names  but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to both forums !!!

Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were to ask me it real quick.

Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.

I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth, and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
I really like your posts and I learn from you so that you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND the end. Keep it up I love it !!!

Now I just wish I could make you see the deception of the Christian Religion and their Trinity-gods doctrine, we could make some good YouTube videos to wake good people who love God, and the Bible up and back to the True and Only "Way".
I liken Christianity to NASA, both billionaires, rob people of the most money, cause the most pain and suffering in the world,and have the masses deceived by the same tricks.

NASA by pointing to the heavens, and RCC Christian pointing to the Bible. In both cases what they're pointing at, and what they explain about them do not exist.

Have you seen this, just today:

 FOX News
NASA’s Hubble space telescope captures two colliding galaxies

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/nasas-hubble-space-telescope-captures-two-colliding-galaxies/vi-BBUJ5DJ?ocid=spartanntp

Look at their headline, then look what they show Hubble (which is tucked away in a lab somewhere at Huston Center) "capturing"? Lol

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The use of Trinity-gods is false as well is your theology, Arius or Evidence

My dear friend Blade, I just want you to know that I am not trying to turn you, or anyone to some religion I belong to, or some idea I cam up with. God forbid, because I have made many mistakes in my life, the last thing I would want is people following me on some idea I threw together, and like many cult leaders try hard to convince others to follow suit. No and no.

What God has revealed to me has been tested by Scholars, many Ministers with Doctorates in Theology, Christian Debater who has over a thousand debate-videos with Muslims, JW's to Moody, and every Christian/atheist/Mormon/Buddhist/Muslim/Catholic Scholar I have debated with over the past 25 years, and the more educated ones in Theology have all ended up saying: "You know what Arius, I honestly can't say what you believe is not Scriptural because you back up everything with the Bible, and I even admit it is within context, .. but I just cannot accept what you are saying."

One TV Debater who has over a thousand videos on YouTube said regarding our 4 hour debate on the Trinity: "I know what you are saying, and I'm not denying that it's all Scriptural, all I can tell you is: Even if God Himself came down and told me this, I would reject it!"

The Lord is my witness this is what he said. And when he told me this, he looked up at the ceiling, then broke a little laughter and said: "I know how that sounds, but that's all I can tell you. And sorry, but I don't want to do an official video debate with you, matter of fact, this will be our last meeting."

Here is the guy; Larry Wessels

https://www.youtube.com/user/CAnswersTV

Yep, Christian Answers TV and this is the answer he gave me. Look if this guy refused anyone, even cult members, Muslims outside the college campuses etc. He would track them down and never seen him back away from even a violent debate, let alone welcomed as a guest in my own home.

Anyways, I used to love his TV Program, watched him every time he was on. Here is an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN4s2vG65dU

Quote from: Blade
are you married and have kids>?//  Lets take NED for an example.
Ned says.. I am Ned, I am a son, I am a husband, I am Father, I am grandfather and so on.

Now the Lord God is far more complicated than that but in essence, Ned is all of those characters yet Ned is not. He reacts to his kids differently than He does with his grand-kids. He reacts differently to his wife  than he reacts to his parents as a son. Yet, if he make a commitment as a son to his father, it is he, NED who will be actually doing the essence of the commitment.

Yes, that is a very good example Blade, except if I heard NED praying to himself as Father-NED, I would start worrying about his mental state. I would say that somewhere he got his wires crossed.
It would be different if he went to his dad and asked him for something, but to see him refer to himself as his own father, well you know what I mean?

Quote from: Blade
The Trinity comes from the three characters in essence, God (Our Lord) is(God, the Father), is (Jesus Christ) and is(the Holy Spirit). For these three essences react among themselves, the people of earth differently than each other yet they are the same LORD GOD.

And look, I'm sure Larry Wessels would even agree with you, as would about a million Christian Ministers, Bible Scholars etc. but would not debate this with me for too long (most was Larry Wessels at my house in Texas about 4-5 hours long)
I have never left a debate, but every one of them did want to leave, and as friendly as our meeting was, they shown no interest to have it repeated, .. ESPECIALLY Recorded, as Larry moved the video camera pointing to the wall so only the sound could be heard. He said he only does Professional video shooting.

I will hold on to what is written, it is all I have, and if I give that up, then my 62 years of persecutions would be all for nothing, and I would really have nothing left than what Jobs wife suggested him:

Job 2:9  (NKJV)
9 Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!”

Quote from: Blade
thus God is Jesus Christ and God is the Holy Spirit and vice versa.

Of course I know that your theology only allows that Jesus is not GOD but a god who was raised to that level when he ascended to heaven after his resurrection.

Yet, in Isaiah 48:12"Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."  This is Jesus speaking for in the next verse.

Isa 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together."  Then in Isa 48:16

Isa 48:16  "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."  As you can see they sent Jesus Christ.

Look, this is NOT some theology that I was taught:

Theology is the critical study of the nature of the divine. It is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities and seminaries - Wikipedia

 or my Religious belief, or some doctrine I made up, this is how I read it in the Bible. I'm simple, dumb, under-schooled, but so far I have stuck to the Word of God, and have not found even one person who could prove I am wrong, .. or that my understanding is incorrect.
I have shown you many times who the Bible says who God is, and who is His son Word, who became flesh by Gods Spirit Angel the Holy Spirit who took the son Word and deconstructed him into DNA information which he put into the egg of a virgin, where she got pregnant, gave birth to a boy she was told to name Jesus. I mean even we can do this now, so since we are created in Gods image, I figure it is how God done it too, right?

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

(John 1:1-14)

Quote from: Blade
Having established who this is, the in verse 12, we see the same words used by Jesus again in Revelation 1:11.."I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:".

This is in the OT and a prophecy that He will come to them as the messiah, yet because in the same chapter, He is also talking about His second coming, they did not separate them out, thus rejecting their messiah.

As we see in 1 Tim 3:16.."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"God was manifest in the flesh" was Jesus Christ

Look, just accept it like it says: God was manifested in the flesh, IN Jesus Christ, not AS Jesus Christ, who was with God in the beginning as His son Word, who became flesh, .. then named Jesus. Never Father God, just the son of God Word.

Quote from: Blade
There are a lot of verses that tell us not only that Jesus is GOD but also the Holy Spirit is GOD.

Yet, to deny the Deity of Jesus Christ, is to deny the Trinity if not in word only for the word "Trinity" doe not appear in the Bible. Thus it is easier for those that taught you to feed you a false gospel and for you to continue feeding that false gospel to others.

Blade

Look, even you admit that this Trinity-gods doctrine is not Biblical, and even though I spelled it out a few time where and why and how this doctrine came about, if you would care about your soul salvation instead of this Christian ideology where everyone that dies automatically goes to Heaven, you would fall on your knees asking God of the Bible to have Jesus save you!
It is THAT important, .. the souls of Christian is on the line here.

This is all I have, whatever is written is where I stand, and stay. If Christian History as we can see it today through the Internet with pictures and videos and historical accounts can't steer you away from this evil doctrine, then nothing will.
I just pray you will not respond as my once friend Larry Wessels did!


Arius
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Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2019, 08:12:15 pm »
Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people and forget names  but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to both forums !!!

Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were to ask me it real quick.

Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.

I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth, and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
I really like your posts and I learn from you so that you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND the end. Keep it up I love it !!!

Now I just wish I could make you see the deception of the Christian Religion and their Trinity-gods doctrine, we could make some good YouTube videos to wake good people who love God, and the Bible up and back to the True and Only "Way".
I liken Christianity to NASA, both billionaires, rob people of the most money, cause the most pain and suffering in the world,and have the masses deceived by the same tricks.

NASA by pointing to the heavens, and RCC Christian pointing to the Bible. In both cases what they're pointing at, and what they explain about them do not exist.

Have you seen this, just today:

 FOX News
NASA’s Hubble space telescope captures two colliding galaxies

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/nasas-hubble-space-telescope-captures-two-colliding-galaxies/vi-BBUJ5DJ?ocid=spartanntp

Look at their headline, then look what they show Hubble (which is tucked away in a lab somewhere at Huston Center) "capturing"? Lol

Arius/evidence


The use of Trinity-gods is false as well is your theology, Arius or Evidence

My dear friend Blade, I just want you to know that I am not trying to turn you, or anyone to some religion I belong to, or some idea I cam up with. God forbid, because I have made many mistakes in my life, the last thing I would want is people following me on some idea I threw together, and like many cult leaders try hard to convince others to follow suit. No and no.

What God has revealed to me has been tested by Scholars, many Ministers with Doctorates in Theology, Christian Debater who has over a thousand debate-videos with Muslims, JW's to Moody, and every Christian/atheist/Mormon/Buddhist/Muslim/Catholic Scholar I have debated with over the past 25 years, and the more educated ones in Theology have all ended up saying: "You know what Arius, I honestly can't say what you believe is not Scriptural because you back up everything with the Bible, and I even admit it is within context, .. but I just cannot accept what you are saying."

One TV Debater who has over a thousand videos on YouTube said regarding our 4 hour debate on the Trinity: "I know what you are saying, and I'm not denying that it's all Scriptural, all I can tell you is: Even if God Himself came down and told me this, I would reject it!"

The Lord is my witness this is what he said. And when he told me this, he looked up at the ceiling, then broke a little laughter and said: "I know how that sounds, but that's all I can tell you. And sorry, but I don't want to do an official video debate with you, matter of fact, this will be our last meeting."

Here is the guy; Larry Wessels

https://www.youtube.com/user/CAnswersTV

Yep, Christian Answers TV and this is the answer he gave me. Look if this guy refused anyone, even cult members, Muslims outside the college campuses etc. He would track them down and never seen him back away from even a violent debate, let alone welcomed as a guest in my own home.

Anyways, I used to love his TV Program, watched him every time he was on. Here is an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN4s2vG65dU

Quote from: Blade
are you married and have kids>?//  Lets take NED for an example.
Ned says.. I am Ned, I am a son, I am a husband, I am Father, I am grandfather and so on.

Now the Lord God is far more complicated than that but in essence, Ned is all of those characters yet Ned is not. He reacts to his kids differently than He does with his grand-kids. He reacts differently to his wife  than he reacts to his parents as a son. Yet, if he make a commitment as a son to his father, it is he, NED who will be actually doing the essence of the commitment.

Yes, that is a very good example Blade, except if I heard NED praying to himself as Father-NED, I would start worrying about his mental state. I would say that somewhere he got his wires crossed.
It would be different if he went to his dad and asked him for something, but to see him refer to himself as his own father, well you know what I mean?

Quote from: Blade
The Trinity comes from the three characters in essence, God (Our Lord) is(God, the Father), is (Jesus Christ) and is(the Holy Spirit). For these three essences react among themselves, the people of earth differently than each other yet they are the same LORD GOD.

And look, I'm sure Larry Wessels would even agree with you, as would about a million Christian Ministers, Bible Scholars etc. but would not debate this with me for too long (most was Larry Wessels at my house in Texas about 4-5 hours long)
I have never left a debate, but every one of them did want to leave, and as friendly as our meeting was, they shown no interest to have it repeated, .. ESPECIALLY Recorded, as Larry moved the video camera pointing to the wall so only the sound could be heard. He said he only does Professional video shooting.

I will hold on to what is written, it is all I have, and if I give that up, then my 62 years of persecutions would be all for nothing, and I would really have nothing left than what Jobs wife suggested him:

Job 2:9  (NKJV)
9 Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!”

Quote from: Blade
thus God is Jesus Christ and God is the Holy Spirit and vice versa.

Of course I know that your theology only allows that Jesus is not GOD but a god who was raised to that level when he ascended to heaven after his resurrection.

Yet, in Isaiah 48:12"Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."  This is Jesus speaking for in the next verse.

Isa 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together."  Then in Isa 48:16

Isa 48:16  "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."  As you can see they sent Jesus Christ.

Look, this is NOT some theology that I was taught:

Theology is the critical study of the nature of the divine. It is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities and seminaries - Wikipedia

 or my Religious belief, or some doctrine I made up, this is how I read it in the Bible. I'm simple, dumb, under-schooled, but so far I have stuck to the Word of God, and have not found even one person who could prove I am wrong, .. or that my understanding is incorrect.
I have shown you many times who the Bible says who God is, and who is His son Word, who became flesh by Gods Spirit Angel the Holy Spirit who took the son Word and deconstructed him into DNA information which he put into the egg of a virgin, where she got pregnant, gave birth to a boy she was told to name Jesus. I mean even we can do this now, so since we are created in Gods image, I figure it is how God done it too, right?

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

(John 1:1-14)

Quote from: Blade
Having established who this is, the in verse 12, we see the same words used by Jesus again in Revelation 1:11.."I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:".

This is in the OT and a prophecy that He will come to them as the messiah, yet because in the same chapter, He is also talking about His second coming, they did not separate them out, thus rejecting their messiah.

As we see in 1 Tim 3:16.."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"God was manifest in the flesh" was Jesus Christ

Look, just accept it like it says: God was manifested in the flesh, IN Jesus Christ, not AS Jesus Christ, who was with God in the beginning as His son Word, who became flesh, .. then named Jesus. Never Father God, just the son of God Word.

Quote from: Blade
There are a lot of verses that tell us not only that Jesus is GOD but also the Holy Spirit is GOD.

Yet, to deny the Deity of Jesus Christ, is to deny the Trinity if not in word only for the word "Trinity" doe not appear in the Bible. Thus it is easier for those that taught you to feed you a false gospel and for you to continue feeding that false gospel to others.

Blade

Look, even you admit that this Trinity-gods doctrine is not Biblical, and even though I spelled it out a few time where and why and how this doctrine came about, if you would care about your soul salvation instead of this Christian ideology where everyone that dies automatically goes to Heaven, you would fall on your knees asking God of the Bible to have Jesus save you!
It is THAT important, .. the souls of Christian is on the line here.

This is all I have, whatever is written is where I stand, and stay. If Christian History as we can see it today through the Internet with pictures and videos and historical accounts can't steer you away from this evil doctrine, then nothing will.
I just pray you will not respond as my once friend Larry Wessels did!


Arius

Well Arius, you tell me I am saying the right things and backing them up with scripture yet you do not want to believe. You theology is on the order of non=trinitarian.  You said God's son was named WORD?  God and his son Word.

Look to John 1:1.."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

If as you say, God's son is WORD then "the WORD (the Son) was with GOD and the WORD (His son) was GOD.

Either way, Jesus Christ, the son of GOD was the 1st and the Last, was there when the first foundation of His church was laid, etc.   Jesus is GOD and GOD is Jesus.

OK. I don't think I can help you anymore..

Blade
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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2019, 03:20:02 pm »

Look, even you admit that this Trinity-gods doctrine is not Biblical, and even though I spelled it out a few time where and why and how this doctrine came about, if you would care about your soul salvation instead of this Christian ideology where everyone that dies automatically goes to Heaven, you would fall on your knees asking God of the Bible to have Jesus save you!
It is THAT important, .. the souls of Christian is on the line here.

This is all I have, whatever is written is where I stand, and stay. If Christian History as we can see it today through the Internet with pictures and videos and historical accounts can't steer you away from this evil doctrine, then nothing will.
I just pray you will not respond as my once friend Larry Wessels did!


Arius

Well Arius, you tell me I am saying the right things and backing them up with scripture yet you do not want to believe. You theology is on the order of non=trinitarian.  You said God's son was named WORD?  God and his son Word.

Look to John 1:1.."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

If as you say, God's son is WORD then "the WORD (the Son) was with GOD and the WORD (His son) was GOD.

Either way, Jesus Christ, the son of GOD was the 1st and the Last, was there when the first foundation of His church was laid, etc.   Jesus is GOD and GOD is Jesus.

Yes sir, he was there with God his Father, as Gods son Word, but not God. He was "with God", why would John 1 exist if the Word was God after he was created/begotten? That would be like I pointed out dozens of times:
In the beginning was God, the God was with God, and the God was God. What's the point in saying this? If the Word was God, then God was God, .. end of discussion.

Quote
OK. I don't think I can help you anymore..

Blade

You mean: "You don't think you can sway me anymore" ..
Just remember that it is you who is trying to convince me of a non-Biblical man-made doctrine, and it is I who keeps bringing you back to Scriptures.

God bless you Blade!


Your friend always, till that Last Trumpet sounds, and I pray I will be there to hear the billions of Christians as they defend, and try to convince Jesus Christ of the Trinity Doctrine!? What I really want to see is if they truly were blinded by it, or they just loved the idea behind it, .. the idea that God died by the hand of the Romans, and He had to be resurrected, and raised back up to His original God position: "Above all principalities and Powers"?

I will say; that will be very interesting!



Arius
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Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2019, 04:38:25 am »

Look, even you admit that this Trinity-gods doctrine is not Biblical, and even though I spelled it out a few time where and why and how this doctrine came about, if you would care about your soul salvation instead of this Christian ideology where everyone that dies automatically goes to Heaven, you would fall on your knees asking God of the Bible to have Jesus save you!
It is THAT important, .. the souls of Christian is on the line here.

This is all I have, whatever is written is where I stand, and stay. If Christian History as we can see it today through the Internet with pictures and videos and historical accounts can't steer you away from this evil doctrine, then nothing will.
I just pray you will not respond as my once friend Larry Wessels did!


Arius

Well Arius, you tell me I am saying the right things and backing them up with scripture yet you do not want to believe. You theology is on the order of non=trinitarian.  You said God's son was named WORD?  God and his son Word.

Look to John 1:1.."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

If as you say, God's son is WORD then "the WORD (the Son) was with GOD and the WORD (His son) was GOD.

Either way, Jesus Christ, the son of GOD was the 1st and the Last, was there when the first foundation of His church was laid, etc.   Jesus is GOD and GOD is Jesus.

Yes sir, he was there with God his Father, as Gods son Word, but not God. He was "with God", why would John 1 exist if the Word was God after he was created/begotten? That would be like I pointed out dozens of times:
In the beginning was God, the God was with God, and the God was God. What's the point in saying this? If the Word was God, then God was God, .. end of discussion.

Quote
OK. I don't think I can help you anymore..

Blade

You mean: "You don't think you can sway me anymore" ..
Just remember that it is you who is trying to convince me of a non-Biblical man-made doctrine, and it is I who keeps bringing you back to Scriptures.

God bless you Blade!


Your friend always, till that Last Trumpet sounds, and I pray I will be there to hear the billions of Christians as they defend, and try to convince Jesus Christ of the Trinity Doctrine!? What I really want to see is if they truly were blinded by it, or they just loved the idea behind it, .. the idea that God died by the hand of the Romans, and He had to be resurrected, and raised back up to His original God position: "Above all principalities and Powers"?

I will say; that will be very interesting!



Arius
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2019, 11:14:01 am »
Good thread.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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