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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2019, 05:56:16 pm »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.

Arius, do you not read the Bible (KJV)..Gen 3:23-24.."Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  v.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

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Yes my friend, that is exactly what I was pointing out, that God planet a Garden in Eden. The garden did not cover the entire land of Eden, but a small part of it. It was a Garden IN Eden, but Eden was not the Garden.
Just like; "the trees of Lebanon" doesn't mean Lebanon was a tree.
It was at the east of the garden of Eden that God placed Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Where is the 'Garden of Eden' or just 'Eden' today.  You said you knew?

Blade


Here is a brother that makes sense in defining where the Garden of Eden is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwcKcmrdNUE

Sounds real Biblical to me, what do you think?

Of course he seems like a Christian and Globe earther, other than that, his info sounds solid.
,

I will have to agree with the video author in that the Garden of Eden is of another dimension.

The last verse in Gen 3:24..."So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Here we see Got put the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life under guard of Cherubims (plural). He does not tell us how many.

The use of other dimensions is common in the Bible as the most famous one being in the upper room where Jesus simply appears in the room. The bible gives us clues to around 10 other dimensions. We, of course have only three dimensions.

We know where the Garden of Eden was located. It was just in another dimension and will stay there until the millennium arrives.

Blade


I agree my brother, but I think we have one more dimension then three, for we see the three dimensions with our mind, which is the fourth dimension.

You seem to know 6 more dimensions then I'm aware of. I would love to learn about them.

Please don't shun me my friend, I don't mind you thinking of me as an Arian Heretic, because I was where you were not too long ago. Let us keep sharpening our knowledge of the Lord, .. it is what we are here for, right?
Remember I asked that no one take what I say offensively, it is not personal. My stand against the Trinity-gods is personal, just as my stand against the Globe earth is. We're talking about a 500 some year old Globe-earth doctrine, and a 1,700 year old trinity doctrine. I mean my Lord, how many generations is that, right?

Something about these last days, where even an under schooled dumb-dog like me can search out history, and information that would take a Scholar years if this was just a 50 years ago, like the 60's. So we should be able to get to the bottom of this Trinity Doctrine rather quickly, because I doubt we'll have any greater opportunity in the coming near future then what we have today?

God bless you Blade

Arius

Just what does the Trinity Doctrine mean to you. Why does it make you deny the "Chistianity" religion.

The def. using Wikipedia is a follows: "Christianity is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion faith based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the New Testament."


Note: I used Wikipedia Def because it was accurate and easy to get to. 


It is obvious the Trinity Doctrine disturbs you beyond the normal. WHY?\

As far as Christianity is concerned, it is also obvious that the RCC has tainted your mind even against those other Christians that have nothing to do with the RCC.

You need to work these problems out before its too late.

Blade







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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2019, 09:10:28 pm »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.

Arius, do you not read the Bible (KJV)..Gen 3:23-24.."Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  v.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Blade


Yes my friend, that is exactly what I was pointing out, that God planet a Garden in Eden. The garden did not cover the entire land of Eden, but a small part of it. It was a Garden IN Eden, but Eden was not the Garden.
Just like; "the trees of Lebanon" doesn't mean Lebanon was a tree.
It was at the east of the garden of Eden that God placed Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Where is the 'Garden of Eden' or just 'Eden' today.  You said you knew?

Blade


Here is a brother that makes sense in defining where the Garden of Eden is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwcKcmrdNUE

Sounds real Biblical to me, what do you think?

Of course he seems like a Christian and Globe earther, other than that, his info sounds solid.
,

I will have to agree with the video author in that the Garden of Eden is of another dimension.

The last verse in Gen 3:24..."So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Here we see Got put the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life under guard of Cherubims (plural). He does not tell us how many.

The use of other dimensions is common in the Bible as the most famous one being in the upper room where Jesus simply appears in the room. The bible gives us clues to around 10 other dimensions. We, of course have only three dimensions.

We know where the Garden of Eden was located. It was just in another dimension and will stay there until the millennium arrives.

Blade


I agree my brother, but I think we have one more dimension then three, for we see the three dimensions with our mind, which is the fourth dimension.

You seem to know 6 more dimensions then I'm aware of. I would love to learn about them.

Please don't shun me my friend, I don't mind you thinking of me as an Arian Heretic, because I was where you were not too long ago. Let us keep sharpening our knowledge of the Lord, .. it is what we are here for, right?
Remember I asked that no one take what I say offensively, it is not personal. My stand against the Trinity-gods is personal, just as my stand against the Globe earth is. We're talking about a 500 some year old Globe-earth doctrine, and a 1,700 year old trinity doctrine. I mean my Lord, how many generations is that, right?

Something about these last days, where even an under schooled dumb-dog like me can search out history, and information that would take a Scholar years if this was just a 50 years ago, like the 60's. So we should be able to get to the bottom of this Trinity Doctrine rather quickly, because I doubt we'll have any greater opportunity in the coming near future then what we have today?

God bless you Blade

Arius

Just what does the Trinity Doctrine mean to you. Why does it make you deny the "Chistianity" religion.

The def. using Wikipedia is a follows: "Christianity is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion faith based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the New Testament."


Note: I used Wikipedia Def because it was accurate and easy to get to. 


It is obvious the Trinity Doctrine disturbs you beyond the normal. WHY?\

Well think about it friend, what is the number one purpose for us reading the Bible?
It's seeking God, right? I mean I'm sure you have checked out other religions too, like me, and nothing even comes close to the Bible, and God of the Bible, so isn't it crucial we get to know our Creator?
Well as a child all I heard was the names "Jesus Christ, .. Oh my Lord, Oh God, thank Jesus for this and thank Jesus for that, yet as watched the actions of these people whose every other words were God and Jesus, I've become to dreaded those names. As a child till I was 12, the names Jesus and God became like someone yelling "I have a bomb" on an airplane.

Later I was told if I don't become a Christian that I will go to hell for an eternity, so hell no, I became a Christian, and learned to live two separate lives. One in words (testifying to others about this same Jesus and God in the Bible) and living as if they were no part of my physical reality. Over the years I learned that this is called Christianity, rightly dividing Gods Word and my life in the real world, ..  good ministry on one hand, and leaving that good Ministry at the door of the church, or in the tithing box when I exited.

Quote
As far as Christianity is concerned, it is also obvious that the RCC has tainted your mind even against those other Christians that have nothing to do with the RCC.

That's where you're wrong my dear brother, because I have about 50/50 friends and family Catholic and the others of other denominations, and half of those are very conservative Christians, Mennonite type, and to me in real life, they are the same.
The only way you could tell them apart is if they start talking about the Bible, and there of course the Catholics fail miserably. yet in action, in public, at work like I said, you can't tell them apart. So how would the RCC Christians taint my view of the denominational Christians?
Besides, they both bare the same name, and interpret who their gods are by the same Christian Doctrines.

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Bladerunner said - You need to work these problems out before its too late.

Blade[/shadow]

I did, that's why I tell you that in public, at work, they are all the same, same core beliefs worshipping the same gods governed by the same Christian Doctrine. The only time you see a difference is when they talk about the Bible. And even though I said the Catholics don't know much about the Bible (not all of course) they at least stick with their Christian Doctrines, unlike the protestant Churches who know the Bible, yet show no difference in their lives then the Catholics. So who are more hypocritical, the Catholics, or the Protestants? .. know what I mean?

What do you mean by "before it's too late"? I am making leaps and bounds towards understanding God, His son Word, and understanding who I am and where I live, where I hope to go after I die and the importance of sticking with Gods Word over man made doctrines. God is not just another deity for me, nor is Jesus Christ God. Now after Christs resurrection, God did deify (raised) Jesus above all of His creation, above all principalities and powers, and every knee shall bow down before him in praise of our God and his God. But this does Not make Jesus the son of God any more God, nor does this make Our Infinite and Eternal God any less God, you know what I mean?

God bless

Arius
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2019, 08:17:32 pm »
Greetings Seve, I pray I did not offend you in any way, unless the truth is offensive? If it was not the truth, then by all means please correct me?

Besides, we were derailing the topic at hand: "How long were Adam and Eve in Eden?"

I say till they died, because Eden was a big place, and there is no mention of them leaving Eden to another country like Cain did.

The Garden that God planted was in Eden, from which they got kicked out of, .. not the land Eden.

Arius, do you not read the Bible (KJV)..Gen 3:23-24.."Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  v.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Blade


Yes my friend, that is exactly what I was pointing out, that God planet a Garden in Eden. The garden did not cover the entire land of Eden, but a small part of it. It was a Garden IN Eden, but Eden was not the Garden.
Just like; "the trees of Lebanon" doesn't mean Lebanon was a tree.
It was at the east of the garden of Eden that God placed Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Where is the 'Garden of Eden' or just 'Eden' today.  You said you knew?

Blade


Here is a brother that makes sense in defining where the Garden of Eden is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwcKcmrdNUE

Sounds real Biblical to me, what do you think?

Of course he seems like a Christian and Globe earther, other than that, his info sounds solid.
,

I will have to agree with the video author in that the Garden of Eden is of another dimension.

The last verse in Gen 3:24..."So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Here we see Got put the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life under guard of Cherubims (plural). He does not tell us how many.

The use of other dimensions is common in the Bible as the most famous one being in the upper room where Jesus simply appears in the room. The bible gives us clues to around 10 other dimensions. We, of course have only three dimensions.

We know where the Garden of Eden was located. It was just in another dimension and will stay there until the millennium arrives.

Blade


I agree my brother, but I think we have one more dimension then three, for we see the three dimensions with our mind, which is the fourth dimension.

You seem to know 6 more dimensions then I'm aware of. I would love to learn about them.

Please don't shun me my friend, I don't mind you thinking of me as an Arian Heretic, because I was where you were not too long ago. Let us keep sharpening our knowledge of the Lord, .. it is what we are here for, right?
Remember I asked that no one take what I say offensively, it is not personal. My stand against the Trinity-gods is personal, just as my stand against the Globe earth is. We're talking about a 500 some year old Globe-earth doctrine, and a 1,700 year old trinity doctrine. I mean my Lord, how many generations is that, right?

Something about these last days, where even an under schooled dumb-dog like me can search out history, and information that would take a Scholar years if this was just a 50 years ago, like the 60's. So we should be able to get to the bottom of this Trinity Doctrine rather quickly, because I doubt we'll have any greater opportunity in the coming near future then what we have today?

God bless you Blade

Arius

Just what does the Trinity Doctrine mean to you. Why does it make you deny the "Chistianity" religion.

The def. using Wikipedia is a follows: "Christianity is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion faith based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the New Testament."


Note: I used Wikipedia Def because it was accurate and easy to get to. 


It is obvious the Trinity Doctrine disturbs you beyond the normal. WHY?\

Well think about it friend, what is the number one purpose for us reading the Bible?
It's seeking God, right? I mean I'm sure you have checked out other religions too, like me, and nothing even comes close to the Bible, and God of the Bible, so isn't it crucial we get to know our Creator?
Well as a child all I heard was the names "Jesus Christ, .. Oh my Lord, Oh God, thank Jesus for this and thank Jesus for that, yet as watched the actions of these people whose every other words were God and Jesus, I've become to dreaded those names. As a child till I was 12, the names Jesus and God became like someone yelling "I have a bomb" on an airplane.

Later I was told if I don't become a Christian that I will go to hell for an eternity, so hell no, I became a Christian, and learned to live two separate lives. One in words (testifying to others about this same Jesus and God in the Bible) and living as if they were no part of my physical reality. Over the years I learned that this is called Christianity, rightly dividing Gods Word and my life in the real world, ..  good ministry on one hand, and leaving that good Ministry at the door of the church, or in the tithing box when I exited.

Quote
As far as Christianity is concerned, it is also obvious that the RCC has tainted your mind even against those other Christians that have nothing to do with the RCC.

That's where you're wrong my dear brother, because I have about 50/50 friends and family Catholic and the others of other denominations, and half of those are very conservative Christians, Mennonite type, and to me in real life, they are the same.
The only way you could tell them apart is if they start talking about the Bible, and there of course the Catholics fail miserably. yet in action, in public, at work like I said, you can't tell them apart. So how would the RCC Christians taint my view of the denominational Christians?
Besides, they both bare the same name, and interpret who their gods are by the same Christian Doctrines.

Quote
Bladerunner said - You need to work these problems out before its too late.

Blade[/shadow]

I did, that's why I tell you that in public, at work, they are all the same, same core beliefs worshipping the same gods governed by the same Christian Doctrine. The only time you see a difference is when they talk about the Bible. And even though I said the Catholics don't know much about the Bible (not all of course) they at least stick with their Christian Doctrines, unlike the protestant Churches who know the Bible, yet show no difference in their lives then the Catholics. So who are more hypocritical, the Catholics, or the Protestants? .. know what I mean?

What do you mean by "before it's too late"? I am making leaps and bounds towards understanding God, His son Word, and understanding who I am and where I live, where I hope to go after I die and the importance of sticking with Gods Word over man made doctrines. God is not just another deity for me, nor is Jesus Christ God. Now after Christs resurrection, God did deify (raised) Jesus above all of His creation, above all principalities and powers, and every knee shall bow down before him in praise of our God and his God. But this does Not make Jesus the son of God any more God, nor does this make Our Infinite and Eternal God any less God, you know what I mean?

God bless

Arius

Well I have tried every other way to get you to see there are TRUE Christians out there that are just waiting for Jesus  to take them away in the clouds.  But it seems you are also stuck on Christian doctrines.

So, a question is this. There are many Christian doctrines, do you have one in particular you do not like and can expand on why?

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2019, 02:29:09 pm »
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Bladerunner said: Well I have tried every other way to get you to see there are TRUE Christians out there that are just waiting for Jesus  to take them away in the clouds.  But it seems you are also stuck on Christian doctrines.

So, a question is this. There are many Christian doctrines, do you have one in particular you do not like and can expand on why?

Blade

Me too, I have tried to explain every way possible that the TRUE Christian is the RCC-Christian, and the 'foundation' of Christianity are:

1 Constantine's sword as the cross
(While the disciples of Christs Church lived as sheep ready for slaughter, not as Constantine's butchers. This goes for every denomination, not just Catholic)

2 three-gods doctrine aka the Trinity are their gods.
(Jesus never claimed that he was GOD, but throughout the New Testament we can read how he consistently denied such accusations)

3 Jesus is their sun-god worshipped on Sunday, in a Helios-centric solar/sun system which is in a universe created by Satan himself.
(Christians still believe in the globe earth, with a heliocentric solar system just as the pagan Gentiles always have. They can call their gods whatever they want;

Elohim (God)
Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)
El Elyon (The Most High God)
Adonai (Lord, Master)
El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty)
El Olam (The Everlasting God)
Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
Jehovah Rapha (The Lord Who Heals You)
Jehovah Nissi (The Lord Is My Banner)
El Qanna (Jealous God)
Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)
Jehovah Raah (The Lord Is My Shepherd)
Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)

But at the end, it's how we understand who God really is, and who His son Word really is.
Jesus may now be above all principalities and powers, but all that is, is for the Glory Of God, and not to take our mind off of God. The whole concept of "Christianity" is concentrated on the sun-god Jesus, and not that he came to reveal God to us.

Like Moses talked to God many times, and both the children of Israel and the Egyptians seen him/Moses as God, .. yet at the end, after he brought the children of Israel out of Egypt, he still wanted to "see God"!?
Why?
Because he knew even though it was God present in all those manifestations, it was not the true nature of God. Moses wanted to see/understand Gods true self.

But Constantine's Christian church, instead of coming to know/see/understand the true nature of God, they made one up, which is the Trinity gods.
If not Trinitarian Christians, then they make up other unbiblical versions, as long as it's not the One and Only Infinite and Eternal "I Am", .. not understood as a created being, but the Ground of Being. That's what Infinite and Eternal means, the ground of being. And when God told Moses His name "I Am", it revealed His True Nature: Infinite/Eternal Conscious Mind/Spirit that no created being can see.
Just as we can't see our own or each others "mind", there is no physical manifestation of God either, so just as our spirit/mind remains invisible, so does God.

This is why Christians defend their "Christian Religion" rather than care what people say about Bible God. This reveals just exactly who their god is; a made up idol/idols.

This was so evident on every "Christian Debating Forum" that I have ever been on, they did not care what Muslims, Hindus, atheists and even Satan worshipper members said about God, as long as they did not attack their Christian Doctrine of their trinity-gods.

Tell me this is not true?
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2019, 07:09:26 pm »
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Bladerunner said: Well I have tried every other way to get you to see there are TRUE Christians out there that are just waiting for Jesus  to take them away in the clouds.  But it seems you are also stuck on Christian doctrines.

So, a question is this. There are many Christian doctrines, do you have one in particular you do not like and can expand on why?

Blade

Me too, I have tried to explain every way possible that the TRUE Christian is the RCC-Christian, and the 'foundation' of Christianity are:

1 Constantine's sword as the cross
(While the disciples of Christs Church lived as sheep ready for slaughter, not as Constantine's butchers. This goes for every denomination, not just Catholic)

2 three-gods doctrine aka the Trinity are their gods.
(Jesus never claimed that he was GOD, but throughout the New Testament we can read how he consistently denied such accusations)

3 Jesus is their sun-god worshipped on Sunday, in a Helios-centric solar/sun system which is in a universe created by Satan himself.
(Christians still believe in the globe earth, with a heliocentric solar system just as the pagan Gentiles always have. They can call their gods whatever they want;

Elohim (God)
Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)
El Elyon (The Most High God)
Adonai (Lord, Master)
El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty)
El Olam (The Everlasting God)
Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
Jehovah Rapha (The Lord Who Heals You)
Jehovah Nissi (The Lord Is My Banner)
El Qanna (Jealous God)
Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)
Jehovah Raah (The Lord Is My Shepherd)
Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)

But at the end, it's how we understand who God really is, and who His son Word really is.
Jesus may now be above all principalities and powers, but all that is, is for the Glory Of God, and not to take our mind off of God. The whole concept of "Christianity" is concentrated on the sun-god Jesus, and not that he came to reveal God to us.

Like Moses talked to God many times, and both the children of Israel and the Egyptians seen him/Moses as God, .. yet at the end, after he brought the children of Israel out of Egypt, he still wanted to "see God"!?
Why?
Because he knew even though it was God present in all those manifestations, it was not the true nature of God. Moses wanted to see/understand Gods true self.

But Constantine's Christian church, instead of coming to know/see/understand the true nature of God, they made one up, which is the Trinity gods.
If not Trinitarian Christians, then they make up other unbiblical versions, as long as it's not the One and Only Infinite and Eternal "I Am", .. not understood as a created being, but the Ground of Being. That's what Infinite and Eternal means, the ground of being. And when God told Moses His name "I Am", it revealed His True Nature: Infinite/Eternal Conscious Mind/Spirit that no created being can see.
Just as we can't see our own or each others "mind", there is no physical manifestation of God either, so just as our spirit/mind remains invisible, so does God.

This is why Christians defend their "Christian Religion" rather than care what people say about Bible God. This reveals just exactly who their god is; a made up idol/idols.

This was so evident on every "Christian Debating Forum" that I have ever been on, they did not care what Muslims, Hindus, atheists and even Satan worshipper members said about God, as long as they did not attack their Christian Doctrine of their trinity-gods.

Tell me this is not true?

And I have tried every way to show you why the TRUE CHRISTIAN is NOT the same as the RCC.

I guess we have nothing else to discuss.

Blade
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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2019, 07:01:05 pm »
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Bladerunner said:
And I have tried every way to show you why the TRUE CHRISTIAN is NOT the same as the RCC.

I guess we have nothing else to discuss.

Blade

Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

If someone calls me an "Idiot" for believing, and following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ who said he was "the Way, the truth and the Life", doesn't mean I have to accept it and go by that derogatory name, right?

Now if you can show me where the Early Disciples who walked as "followers of the Way" ever 'referred to themselves as "Christians", then we would have something to go on. Instead we see it was something that burdened them, even to a point of suffering:

1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.


No Disciple of Christ, especially no Apostle would ever suffer for being called: "Hey you; follower of the Way!" But being mocked by a word like "Christian" can get tiresome.

Now we know who made a Religion out of that name though, .. right? Rome did through Constantine with his Roman Catholic Church who worshipped many gods, but especially the sun god. You really cannot deny this, as I have shown you many YouTube videos of the RCC Christians worshipping the sun god on Sundays.
Also, where did the Apostles ever mention that "God is three persons", .. where? Show me even ONE mention in the Bible of God being "three persons", or "being baptized three times", or either the "son Word, or the Holy Spirit is just one person who make up God as a Trinity" or that "God is plural, made up of many"? But I can show you a demon who actually was plural. One, made up of many:

Mark 5:9
Then He asked him, “What is your name?” And he answered, saying, “My name is Legion; for we are many.”

Mark 5:15
Then they came to Jesus, and saw the one who had been demon-possessed and had the legion, sitting and clothed and in his right mind. And they were afraid.

Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him.


Arius
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2019, 07:48:25 pm »
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Bladerunner said:
And I have tried every way to show you why the TRUE CHRISTIAN is NOT the same as the RCC.

I guess we have nothing else to discuss.

Blade

Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

If someone calls me an "Idiot" for believing, and following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ who said he was "the Way, the truth and the Life", doesn't mean I have to accept it and go by that derogatory name, right?

Now if you can show me where the Early Disciples who walked as "followers of the Way" ever 'referred to themselves as "Christians", then we would have something to go on. Instead we see it was something that burdened them, even to a point of suffering:

1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.


No Disciple of Christ, especially no Apostle would ever suffer for being called: "Hey you; follower of the Way!" But being mocked by a word like "Christian" can get tiresome.

Now we know who made a Religion out of that name though, .. right? Rome did through Constantine with his Roman Catholic Church who worshipped many gods, but especially the sun god. You really cannot deny this, as I have shown you many YouTube videos of the RCC Christians worshipping the sun god on Sundays.
Also, where did the Apostles ever mention that "God is three persons", .. where? Show me even ONE mention in the Bible of God being "three persons", or "being baptized three times", or either the "son Word, or the Holy Spirit is just one person who make up God as a Trinity" or that "God is plural, made up of many"? But I can show you a demon who actually was plural. One, made up of many:

Mark 5:9
Then He asked him, “What is your name?” And he answered, saying, “My name is Legion; for we are many.”

Mark 5:15
Then they came to Jesus, and saw the one who had been demon-possessed and had the legion, sitting and clothed and in his right mind. And they were afraid.

Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him.


Arius

The word Christian is a greek word: "Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian. "

The word appears three times in the Bible in three unique forms.

You follower of the Way only appears once in the NIV version ( a corrupted version) and it reads like this.......

Acts 24:14 (NIV).."However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, "

Acts 24:14 (KJV).."But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: "

During the days of Paul, the Judaizers called (the followers of the Way) those that followed the LAW and the Prophets. Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them.

You are following the wrong path my friend. The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ by Faith. (1 COR 15:1-4)

Blade
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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2019, 08:06:25 pm »
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Bladerunner said:
And I have tried every way to show you why the TRUE CHRISTIAN is NOT the same as the RCC.

I guess we have nothing else to discuss.

Blade

Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

If someone calls me an "Idiot" for believing, and following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ who said he was "the Way, the truth and the Life", doesn't mean I have to accept it and go by that derogatory name, right?

Now if you can show me where the Early Disciples who walked as "followers of the Way" ever 'referred to themselves as "Christians", then we would have something to go on. Instead we see it was something that burdened them, even to a point of suffering:

1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.


No Disciple of Christ, especially no Apostle would ever suffer for being called: "Hey you; follower of the Way!" But being mocked by a word like "Christian" can get tiresome.

Now we know who made a Religion out of that name though, .. right? Rome did through Constantine with his Roman Catholic Church who worshipped many gods, but especially the sun god. You really cannot deny this, as I have shown you many YouTube videos of the RCC Christians worshipping the sun god on Sundays.
Also, where did the Apostles ever mention that "God is three persons", .. where? Show me even ONE mention in the Bible of God being "three persons", or "being baptized three times", or either the "son Word, or the Holy Spirit is just one person who make up God as a Trinity" or that "God is plural, made up of many"? But I can show you a demon who actually was plural. One, made up of many:

Mark 5:9
Then He asked him, “What is your name?” And he answered, saying, “My name is Legion; for we are many.”

Mark 5:15
Then they came to Jesus, and saw the one who had been demon-possessed and had the legion, sitting and clothed and in his right mind. And they were afraid.

Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him.


Arius

The word Christian is a greek word: "Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian. "

The word appears three times in the Bible in three unique forms.

You follower of the Way only appears once in the NIV version ( a corrupted version) and it reads like this.......

Acts 24:14 (NIV).."However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, "

Acts 24:14 (KJV).."But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: "

During the days of Paul, the Judaizers called (the followers of the Way) those that followed the LAW and the Prophets. Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them.

You are following the wrong path my friend. The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ by Faith. (1 COR 15:1-4)

Blade
Blade


So what you're saying is that Paul was a rebel, a "Follower of the Way", .. a pusher of the Law rather than a Believer by faith? No wonder he opened the door to the Gentiles, he was mad, and went according to the Jewish Law, and by hallucinations.

I guess Christian does have the word "Christ" in it, while the "follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life" does not. Besides, Christianity being the most numerous and militarily the most powerful Religion on the Globe proves they follow Christ because it's obvious the gods are with them. The gods, .. especially the son-god is definitely strong in this one, even helped wipe them "Follower of the Way" heretics off the face of the globe.

“You almost persuade me to become a Christian” Blade, and if Paul knew what would come in the near future he would have rejoiced in not only turning King Agrippa into a Christian, but the entire Roman Empire! Maybe King Agrippa had something to do with Christianity becoming the most mighty Religion for the next 1,700 years, and maybe he past it down to Constantine!?

I mean it sounds pretty convincing, .. better than following a loser, "a failure on the cross" as the Holiest of Christian Fathers says.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2019, 09:22:15 pm »
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Bladerunner said:
And I have tried every way to show you why the TRUE CHRISTIAN is NOT the same as the RCC.

I guess we have nothing else to discuss.

Blade



Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

If someone calls me an "Idiot" for believing, and following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ who said he was "the Way, the truth and the Life", doesn't mean I have to accept it and go by that derogatory name, right?

Now if you can show me where the Early Disciples who walked as "followers of the Way" ever 'referred to themselves as "Christians", then we would have something to go on. Instead we see it was something that burdened them, even to a point of suffering:

1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.


No Disciple of Christ, especially no Apostle would ever suffer for being called: "Hey you; follower of the Way!" But being mocked by a word like "Christian" can get tiresome.

Now we know who made a Religion out of that name though, .. right? Rome did through Constantine with his Roman Catholic Church who worshipped many gods, but especially the sun god. You really cannot deny this, as I have shown you many YouTube videos of the RCC Christians worshipping the sun god on Sundays.
Also, where did the Apostles ever mention that "God is three persons", .. where? Show me even ONE mention in the Bible of God being "three persons", or "being baptized three times", or either the "son Word, or the Holy Spirit is just one person who make up God as a Trinity" or that "God is plural, made up of many"? But I can show you a demon who actually was plural. One, made up of many:

Mark 5:9
Then He asked him, “What is your name?” And he answered, saying, “My name is Legion; for we are many.”

Mark 5:15
Then they came to Jesus, and saw the one who had been demon-possessed and had the legion, sitting and clothed and in his right mind. And they were afraid.

Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him.


Arius

The word Christian is a greek word: "Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian. "

The word appears three times in the Bible in three unique forms.

You follower of the Way only appears once in the NIV version ( a corrupted version) and it reads like this.......

Acts 24:14 (NIV).."However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, "

Acts 24:14 (KJV).."But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: "

During the days of Paul, the Judaizers called (the followers of the Way) those that followed the LAW and the Prophets. Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them.

You are following the wrong path my friend. The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ by Faith. (1 COR 15:1-4)

Blade
Blade


So what you're saying is that Paul was a rebel, a "Follower of the Way", .. a pusher of the Law rather than a Believer by faith? No wonder he opened the door to the Gentiles, he was mad, and went according to the Jewish Law, and by hallucinations.

I guess Christian does have the word "Christ" in it, while the "follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life" does not. Besides, Christianity being the most numerous and militarily the most powerful Religion on the Globe proves they follow Christ because it's obvious the gods are with them. The gods, .. especially the son-god is definitely strong in this one, even helped wipe them "Follower of the Way" heretics off the face of the globe.

“You almost persuade me to become a Christian” Blade, and if Paul knew what would come in the near future he would have rejoiced in not only turning King Agrippa into a Christian, but the entire Roman Empire! Maybe King Agrippa had something to do with Christianity becoming the most mighty Religion for the next 1,700 years, and maybe he past it down to Constantine!?

I mean it sounds pretty convincing, .. better than following a loser, "a failure on the cross" as the Holiest of Christian Fathers says.

Arius,, Try rereading this verse again. "Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them."

Thats right, the very tiny word of YET, also means future. "all things written yet" Paul believed in Jesus Christ and all things written in the future. This is confirmed to be a future date as "he is helping to fulfill them."

The judaizers were those Jews that followed the law of Moses for they had rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

I have not changed Arius. I am open to all ideas about the Bible and GOD's WORD but reserved the right to reject them at any time.

Blade




"
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2019, 02:08:11 am »
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Bladerunner said:
And I have tried every way to show you why the TRUE CHRISTIAN is NOT the same as the RCC.

I guess we have nothing else to discuss.

Blade


Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

If someone calls me an "Idiot" for believing, and following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ who said he was "the Way, the truth and the Life", doesn't mean I have to accept it and go by that derogatory name, right?

Now if you can show me where the Early Disciples who walked as "followers of the Way" ever 'referred to themselves as "Christians", then we would have something to go on. Instead we see it was something that burdened them, even to a point of suffering:

1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.


No Disciple of Christ, especially no Apostle would ever suffer for being called: "Hey you; follower of the Way!" But being mocked by a word like "Christian" can get tiresome.

Now we know who made a Religion out of that name though, .. right? Rome did through Constantine with his Roman Catholic Church who worshipped many gods, but especially the sun god. You really cannot deny this, as I have shown you many YouTube videos of the RCC Christians worshipping the sun god on Sundays.
Also, where did the Apostles ever mention that "God is three persons", .. where? Show me even ONE mention in the Bible of God being "three persons", or "being baptized three times", or either the "son Word, or the Holy Spirit is just one person who make up God as a Trinity" or that "God is plural, made up of many"? But I can show you a demon who actually was plural. One, made up of many:

Mark 5:9
Then He asked him, “What is your name?” And he answered, saying, “My name is Legion; for we are many.”

Mark 5:15
Then they came to Jesus, and saw the one who had been demon-possessed and had the legion, sitting and clothed and in his right mind. And they were afraid.

Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him.


Arius

The word Christian is a greek word: "Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian. "

The word appears three times in the Bible in three unique forms.

You follower of the Way only appears once in the NIV version ( a corrupted version) and it reads like this.......

Acts 24:14 (NIV).."However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, "

Acts 24:14 (KJV).."But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: "

During the days of Paul, the Judaizers called (the followers of the Way) those that followed the LAW and the Prophets. Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them.

You are following the wrong path my friend. The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ by Faith. (1 COR 15:1-4)

Blade
Blade


So what you're saying is that Paul was a rebel, a "Follower of the Way", .. a pusher of the Law rather than a Believer by faith? No wonder he opened the door to the Gentiles, he was mad, and went according to the Jewish Law, and by hallucinations.

I guess Christian does have the word "Christ" in it, while the "follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life" does not. Besides, Christianity being the most numerous and militarily the most powerful Religion on the Globe proves they follow Christ because it's obvious the gods are with them. The gods, .. especially the son-god is definitely strong in this one, even helped wipe them "Follower of the Way" heretics off the face of the globe.

“You almost persuade me to become a Christian” Blade, and if Paul knew what would come in the near future he would have rejoiced in not only turning King Agrippa into a Christian, but the entire Roman Empire! Maybe King Agrippa had something to do with Christianity becoming the most mighty Religion for the next 1,700 years, and maybe he past it down to Constantine!?

I mean it sounds pretty convincing, .. better than following a loser, "a failure on the cross" as the Holiest of Christian Fathers says.

Arius,, Try rereading this verse again. "Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them."

Thats right, the very tiny word of YET, also means future. "all things written yet" Paul believed in Jesus Christ and all things written in the future. This is confirmed to be a future date as "he is helping to fulfill them."

The judaizers were those Jews that followed the law of Moses for they had rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

I have not changed Arius. I am open to all ideas about the Bible and GOD's WORD but reserved the right to reject them at any time.

Blade

"

Yes my friend, we have free will, and like billions of people out there, we can accept, or reject Scripture, .. especially the verses that were "added" to support the Trinity Doctrine. And you can reject Paul, and even Jesus himself.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2019, 06:20:05 pm »
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Bladerunner said:
And I have tried every way to show you why the TRUE CHRISTIAN is NOT the same as the RCC.

I guess we have nothing else to discuss.

Blade


Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

If someone calls me an "Idiot" for believing, and following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ who said he was "the Way, the truth and the Life", doesn't mean I have to accept it and go by that derogatory name, right?

Now if you can show me where the Early Disciples who walked as "followers of the Way" ever 'referred to themselves as "Christians", then we would have something to go on. Instead we see it was something that burdened them, even to a point of suffering:

1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.


No Disciple of Christ, especially no Apostle would ever suffer for being called: "Hey you; follower of the Way!" But being mocked by a word like "Christian" can get tiresome.

Now we know who made a Religion out of that name though, .. right? Rome did through Constantine with his Roman Catholic Church who worshipped many gods, but especially the sun god. You really cannot deny this, as I have shown you many YouTube videos of the RCC Christians worshipping the sun god on Sundays.
Also, where did the Apostles ever mention that "God is three persons", .. where? Show me even ONE mention in the Bible of God being "three persons", or "being baptized three times", or either the "son Word, or the Holy Spirit is just one person who make up God as a Trinity" or that "God is plural, made up of many"? But I can show you a demon who actually was plural. One, made up of many:

Mark 5:9
Then He asked him, “What is your name?” And he answered, saying, “My name is Legion; for we are many.”

Mark 5:15
Then they came to Jesus, and saw the one who had been demon-possessed and had the legion, sitting and clothed and in his right mind. And they were afraid.

Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him.


Arius

The word Christian is a greek word: "Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian. "

The word appears three times in the Bible in three unique forms.

You follower of the Way only appears once in the NIV version ( a corrupted version) and it reads like this.......

Acts 24:14 (NIV).."However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, "

Acts 24:14 (KJV).."But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: "

During the days of Paul, the Judaizers called (the followers of the Way) those that followed the LAW and the Prophets. Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them.

You are following the wrong path my friend. The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ by Faith. (1 COR 15:1-4)

Blade
Blade


So what you're saying is that Paul was a rebel, a "Follower of the Way", .. a pusher of the Law rather than a Believer by faith? No wonder he opened the door to the Gentiles, he was mad, and went according to the Jewish Law, and by hallucinations.

I guess Christian does have the word "Christ" in it, while the "follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life" does not. Besides, Christianity being the most numerous and militarily the most powerful Religion on the Globe proves they follow Christ because it's obvious the gods are with them. The gods, .. especially the son-god is definitely strong in this one, even helped wipe them "Follower of the Way" heretics off the face of the globe.

“You almost persuade me to become a Christian” Blade, and if Paul knew what would come in the near future he would have rejoiced in not only turning King Agrippa into a Christian, but the entire Roman Empire! Maybe King Agrippa had something to do with Christianity becoming the most mighty Religion for the next 1,700 years, and maybe he past it down to Constantine!?

I mean it sounds pretty convincing, .. better than following a loser, "a failure on the cross" as the Holiest of Christian Fathers says.

Arius,, Try rereading this verse again. "Paul made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them."

Thats right, the very tiny word of YET, also means future. "all things written yet" Paul believed in Jesus Christ and all things written in the future. This is confirmed to be a future date as "he is helping to fulfill them."

The judaizers were those Jews that followed the law of Moses for they had rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

I have not changed Arius. I am open to all ideas about the Bible and GOD's WORD but reserved the right to reject them at any time.

Blade

"

Yes my friend, we have free will, and like billions of people out there, we can accept, or reject Scripture, .. especially the verses that were "added" to support the Trinity Doctrine. And you can reject Paul, and even Jesus himself.

I can reject Paul and Jesus? Paul is the our apostle during this period of GRACE. Jesus is  the Lord GOD. Now why would I reject either of them?

The verses in the KJV agree with around 5,000 manuscripts written by students of Rabbis, etc., who had the original epistles, gospels and other teachings of Jesus Christ and His writers.  They agree almost to perfection with the KJV.... If you want to study  the other versions and expect them to help get you to heaven then don't waste your breath. Most of them deny the deity of Jesus Christ and that my friend is a  huge problem.

You Aries, have a great day sir:

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2019, 10:08:48 pm »
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Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of innocence.


This is kind of a derail but I will answer.

The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.


We sinned while still in Adam's loins.

I think it comes down to understanding sin in a broader since than just behavior.  Sin is a condition from which behaviors are produced.  Christ introduced this concept in the sermon on the mount and when he said, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.

This condition results from the Spirit of God being absent from the soul of a man leaving merely the flesh.  As Jesus told Nicodemus, That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which is born of flesh is flesh.

When Adam and Eve sinned, the rejected the Spirit of God in them in favor of the serpents promises and thus became creatures of flesh in capable of sustaining righteousness.  Unfortunately, this condition was passed on to their off spring.

Like a pregnant mother who abuse drugs and passes on her abuses to her baby, we are born lacking God's indwelling spirit which makes sinful behavior all but inevitable as we develop.

Christ, in taking our place and bearing our seperatedness  from God restored that Connection for all who desire it.  So, it was not a specific behavior that God blamed us for but rather a God of love looking down on the broken Human race and sending His Son to bear our brokenness that we might enjoy His contentedness by Grace through our faith.

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Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2019, 01:06:58 pm »
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Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of innocence.


This is kind of a derail but I will answer.

The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.


We sinned while still in Adam's loins.

I think it comes down to understanding sin in a broader since than just behavior.  Sin is a condition from which behaviors are produced.  Christ introduced this concept in the sermon on the mount and when he said, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.

This condition results from the Spirit of God being absent from the soul of a man leaving merely the flesh.  As Jesus told Nicodemus, That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which is born of flesh is flesh.

When Adam and Eve sinned, the rejected the Spirit of God in them in favor of the serpents promises and thus became creatures of flesh in capable of sustaining righteousness.  Unfortunately, this condition was passed on to their off spring.

Like a pregnant mother who abuse drugs and passes on her abuses to her baby, we are born lacking God's indwelling spirit which makes sinful behavior all but inevitable as we develop.

Christ, in taking our place and bearing our seperatedness  from God restored that Connection for all who desire it.  So, it was not a specific behavior that God blamed us for but rather a God of love looking down on the broken Human race and sending His Son to bear our brokenness that we might enjoy His contentedness by Grace through our faith.

God Speed

Wow @Grace_Accepted, that totally makes sense Biblically/logically, I especially like your "mother on drugs" part. Also that it was "God sending His Son to bear our brokenness" and not that God came down.

God bless you.


Arius
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I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

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