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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2019, 12:33:51 am »

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I don't believe I said anything about your opinion was wrong?

Not in those words, but calling me Gods Right Hand man kind of sounds derogatory, so I asked?

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However, when you delete, add to the scripture, I have a problem because you are preaching a false doctrine. example below.

The reply to a post I made on « on: January 20, 2019,        06:34:43 pm

You said. "The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.

We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years! But yes, without  wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring, and this is what God noticed there was something missing in Adams life, so:"

Now what part of the BIBLE did you not read? GEN 1:26-27 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. v27..So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."[/b]

Read it again, and you will see God created Adam first, unless you are one of those who thinks Genesis chapter 2 "man" is another Adam from Genesis chapter one, except this one was formed from the dust of the ground? Because there are a lot of Christians who believe that.
Chapter 1:26-27 is a brief overall description, and Chapter 2 is a detailed description how it all happened, a chronological order if you will.. Adam first, then the animals, and then Eve from Adams rib, not another female/man/human from the dirt. Please look:

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God put man in the Garden, not man and woman. Woman was begotten in the Garden.
 
Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

God told man/Adam not to take of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it doesn't say when or if God told Eve. From Scripture we find coming down in the cool of the day, was this a normal thing God did daily and is when instructed woman the same command?

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They were created on the same day, a 24 hour day!..YET....

You said:"I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was given to me to understand."

No my friend, if that is what you think that God was going by some "sun-dial 24 hour day", then explain how he counted the minutes and hours in the first three days?
It was the fourth day that God created the two great lights.

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You were taught wrong my friend. Adam was not alone no more than a few hours. See GOD's WORD as it is written in the KJV.

I use multiple English versions, to make sure I understand what is being said, the truest interpretation come from the Holy Spirit.
Please show me this "few hours" creating Adam and Eve, or any other time table other than "Mornings and an evening, first day, same through the sixth day, .. and this before the sun or moon were even created.

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You said:".. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” ":  This is Gen 2:18, not Gen Chapter ONE and the six days of creation.

Here you conveniently left out the Chapter so as to give the impression that it was a loooooooooooooong time before Eve was made.

I pray the Lord would give you a calm spirit, and an open mind before we continue, I want us to be friends, even brothers in Christ, the last thing I want is animosity between us.

And yes, that is correct, a Long time, it even mentions that Gods days are not like our days, could be thousand years difference. Meaning, a project with God could take a thousand years, while only a day passed for us, .. or what seems a thousand years for us, seem only a day for Him. God is not slack, He just doesn't work in our timeline, and He want's us to understand that.

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Again, be very careful for God tells us not to add, delete, change His WORD. Rev 22:18-19 and HE tells us what is going to happen to those that change it. DO you Believe HIM and HIS WORD??

Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but refer to myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the Way".

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He is very jealous of HIS WORD for His WORD is HE.
JOHN 1:1..

Have a good day.

Blade

You said: "for His WORD is HE" ? Where do you see that in John 1:1 or anywhere?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word

God is Infinite and Eternal, He has no beginning, nor end.
His son Word on the other hand "Is the Beginning and the End' since He was the first being God created. The son Word is the one God created all things through, and without him nothing was created that was created.

.. and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You see, the son Word was with God after God beget him from Himself. The Word is Gods only begotten son, just as Eve is the only begotten of Adam, because God took her out of Adam. See the "image" there? So the son Word was God before God beget him, just as Eve was Adam before God took her out of him. Let's not add or take away from Gods Word, like Christian do by making the son Word as God, just so they can kill God. Eve is not Adam, even though she was taken out of him.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


That's pretty clear to me! The same (Word) was in the beginning "with God", .. I doubt God would say: "And God was with God", right?

God bless you my friend Blade, you friend evidence.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2019, 07:02:29 pm »

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I don't believe I said anything about your opinion was wrong?

Not in those words, but calling me Gods Right Hand man kind of sounds derogatory, so I asked?

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However, when you delete, add to the scripture, I have a problem because you are preaching a false doctrine. example below.

The reply to a post I made on « on: January 20, 2019,        06:34:43 pm

You said. "The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.

We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years! But yes, without  wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring, and this is what God noticed there was something missing in Adams life, so:"

Now what part of the BIBLE did you not read? GEN 1:26-27 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. v27..So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."[/b]

Read it again, and you will see God created Adam first, unless you are one of those who thinks Genesis chapter 2 "man" is another Adam from Genesis chapter one, except this one was formed from the dust of the ground? Because there are a lot of Christians who believe that.
Chapter 1:26-27 is a brief overall description, and Chapter 2 is a detailed description how it all happened, a chronological order if you will.. Adam first, then the animals, and then Eve from Adams rib, not another female/man/human from the dirt. Please look:

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God put man in the Garden, not man and woman. Woman was begotten in the Garden.
 
Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

God told man/Adam not to take of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it doesn't say when or if God told Eve. From Scripture we find coming down in the cool of the day, was this a normal thing God did daily and is when instructed woman the same command?

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They were created on the same day, a 24 hour day!..YET....

You said:"I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was given to me to understand."

No my friend, if that is what you think that God was going by some "sun-dial 24 hour day", then explain how he counted the minutes and hours in the first three days?
It was the fourth day that God created the two great lights.

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You were taught wrong my friend. Adam was not alone no more than a few hours. See GOD's WORD as it is written in the KJV.

I use multiple English versions, to make sure I understand what is being said, the truest interpretation come from the Holy Spirit.
Please show me this "few hours" creating Adam and Eve, or any other time table other than "Mornings and an evening, first day, same through the sixth day, .. and this before the sun or moon were even created.

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You said:".. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” ":  This is Gen 2:18, not Gen Chapter ONE and the six days of creation.

Here you conveniently left out the Chapter so as to give the impression that it was a loooooooooooooong time before Eve was made.

I pray the Lord would give you a calm spirit, and an open mind before we continue, I want us to be friends, even brothers in Christ, the last thing I want is animosity between us.

And yes, that is correct, a Long time, it even mentions that Gods days are not like our days, could be thousand years difference. Meaning, a project with God could take a thousand years, while only a day passed for us, .. or what seems a thousand years for us, seem only a day for Him. God is not slack, He just doesn't work in our timeline, and He want's us to understand that.

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Again, be very careful for God tells us not to add, delete, change His WORD. Rev 22:18-19 and HE tells us what is going to happen to those that change it. DO you Believe HIM and HIS WORD??

Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but refer to myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the Way".

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He is very jealous of HIS WORD for His WORD is HE.
JOHN 1:1..

Have a good day.

Blade

You said: "for His WORD is HE" ? Where do you see that in John 1:1 or anywhere?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word

God is Infinite and Eternal, He has no beginning, nor end.
His son Word on the other hand "Is the Beginning and the End' since He was the first being God created. The son Word is the one God created all things through, and without him nothing was created that was created.

.. and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You see, the son Word was with God after God beget him from Himself. The Word is Gods only begotten son, just as Eve is the only begotten of Adam, because God took her out of Adam. See the "image" there? So the son Word was God before God beget him, just as Eve was Adam before God took her out of him. Let's not add or take away from Gods Word, like Christian do by making the son Word as God, just so they can kill God. Eve is not Adam, even though she was taken out of him.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


That's pretty clear to me! The same (Word) was in the beginning "with God", .. I doubt God would say: "And God was with God", right?

God bless you my friend Blade, you friend evidence.

you said:"Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but refer to myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the Way"."

Thus we cannot be brothers in Christ.  Jesus tells us that He has not lost anyone this father gave to him???   SOoooooooo. You were a Christian and Now you are not a Christian.   

I guess you were NEVER a TRUE Christian or Jesus is a Liar???


Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2019, 12:42:57 am »
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@Bladerunner
you said:"Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but refer to myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the Way"."

Thus we cannot be brothers in Christ.  Jesus tells us that He has not lost anyone this father gave to him???   SOoooooooo. You were a Christian and Now you are not a Christian.   

I guess you were NEVER a TRUE Christian or Jesus is a Liar???


Blade

Our Heavenly Father never gave Jesus any "Christians" my friend, and you will NEVER find that in the Bible. And you know what, looking back in my life, I guess I never was a "true" Christian. I always felt Christianity was a very hypocritical Religion, and many of their members often possessed by demons. Jesus taught his disciples to cast out demons from those who were of the world, NOT from those who are supposed to be In Christ already? Yet these Christians, even the Priests, and nuns like that Mother Teresa were always attacked, and possessed by demons!? How is that possible if they were "in Christ"?
That my friend would be "Impossible"! To be tempted is one thing, but full possession, never. Or they were Not true disciples of Jesus.
So here were these Christians preaching Christ from the Bible, yet denying him in every way by both faith (making him a sun-god) and in deeds.

I lived this lie for 30 years, until the Lord opened my eyes to what this word Christian, really meant?

I'm sure you agree that in order to be a Christian, one must hold on to the Trinity Doctrine, .. correct?
Where do you find this; "Trinity Doctrine"?

Is it in the Bible?

No, it is in the Nicene Creed, made by the gentile, many-gods worshipping Emperor Constantine and his pagan Catholic Church, and enforced throughout the centuries by the bloodthirsty, heartless Jesuits, leaving the streets of one European country after another flowing with the blood of the true saints, or who referred to themselves simply as: "followers of the Way" because they would not accept this Christian name, with their many, or plural gods, and idols of gods.

No name, no Religion, just "followers of Jesus Christ" Men and women without a country, for they waited for their eternal home with God, and not join in any organized Religion, or fight in wars against their fellow man whom they were hoping to save, not kill. As disciples of Christ, our duty is to turn my fellow man, even my enemies to Christ, and instead, the Christian Leaders asked to kill them for some Emperor and his lust for conquest, and fame.

We have a King who is the King of kings and Lord of lords. When he was accused of claiming equality with God, he made it clear he was the son of God; "Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, [e]as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
Renewed Efforts to Stone Jesus
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.


The above verses are clear, that since we were created in Gods image, we are little gods, but Jesus, who is above all, and is the First of all Gods creations, he, the Alpha and Omega refused to even claim that, but made it perfectly clear that he came as a servant, the Messiah who brings the knowledge to those who seek the truth, and reveal to them God, the Infinite and Eternal Creator of all.

We can still be Brothers in Christ, but you must reject the plural gods worship and leave your Christian Religion, repent and turn to our Lord Jesus Christ. Not some RCC created sun god, or the plural gods, which there is one mentioned in the Bible, his name was Legion! One that was many, remember?

I know that's asking too much, but remember that with God, all things are possible.
God already gave you His Word the Bible, now all you have to do, all anyone has to do is "deny oneself and his assciation with this world, and repent, meaning understand/believe, then confess that "There is but One God, and one Savior Jesus Christ, who is the son of God Word."

Not the sun-god of the Christian religion. Especially claiming, then teaching others that God died!

God bless you my friend, and you are in my prayers as is everyone here.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2019, 07:37:31 am »
If I may: Here’s the way I see it with regards to the subject matter:

In the Day of the event, Adam and Eve were Created in the Image and Likeness of God, or Born Again spiritually (Gen 1:26-27)- both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; kicked- out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel; (Gen. 5:1-3)

The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’ generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first couple to be redeemed by the Lord.

Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in Gen 5:1-2 but instead the term God is used. God is the name of the Trinity, an invisible Spirit. When God (Elohim-The Judges) "creates", it s ALWAYS an Eternal Creation. Gen 5:1-2 is telling us WHEN Adam and Eve were Created in the image and likeness of God.. or born again Spiritually by the Trinity and NOT their physical formation by Jesus.

IOW, Jesus physically formed A&E becoming a living soul and sinned... then... God (the Trinity) who's full of mercy, redeemed them and made them alive forevermore,

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritualbut that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Our God is an awesome God.
Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2019, 08:44:29 am »
If I may: Here’s the way I see it with regards to the subject matter:

In the Day of the event, Adam and Eve were Created in the Image and Likeness of God, or Born Again spiritually (Gen 1:26-27)- both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; kicked- out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel; (Gen. 5:1-3)

The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’ generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first couple to be redeemed by the Lord.

Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in Gen 5:1-2 but instead the term God is used. God is the name of the Trinity, an invisible Spirit. When God (Elohim-The Judges) "creates", it s ALWAYS an Eternal Creation. Gen 5:1-2 is telling us WHEN Adam and Eve were Created in the image and likeness of God.. or born again Spiritually by the Trinity and NOT their physical formation by Jesus.

IOW, Jesus physically formed A&E becoming a living soul and sinned... then... God (the Trinity) who's full of mercy, redeemed them and made them alive forevermore,

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Our God is an awesome God.

Good morning Seve,   You said: " both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; kicked- out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel; (Gen. 5:1-3)"

There is a lot of time between (Gen 1:26-27) & (Gen 5:1-3) and I agree with you...

you said: "The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’ generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first couple to be redeemed by the Lord."

This is not what GOD's WORD says.....Gen 1:26-27.."And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. vs 27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Notice this was all done in the sixth day , (a 24 Hour Day).

You said: "Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in Gen 5:1-2 but instead the term God is used. God is the name of the Trinity, an invisible Spirit. "

Jesus is the Lord thy GOD. It does not matter what term use unless you are referring individuals in the Trinity. God (the Father),Jesus (the Son) and the Holy Spirit. Here you are trying to place Jesus as a non GOD.


You Said: "1 Cor 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."


 1 Cor 15:45...tells us that Man, a living soul (You and I) are of the ground (dust). The Second Adam (Jesus), returns to Heaven in spirit form.

You said: 1 Cor 15:46...".v46  "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual."

Here, we are told that the first Adam was NOT in a spiritual body but rather Natural (fleshly). The second Adam (Jesus) is of Spiritual Form)


Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2019, 09:31:17 am »
Dear Blade,

Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and in detail.

What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future.

IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1.

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Also, to be created in the image and likeness of God is to be created spiritually. Adam was physically formed on the 3rd day becoming a NATURAL LIVING SOUL and was Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God - who is a Spirit - on the 6th Day together with Eve at the same time - Gen 5:1-3  during Seth's generation.

Most certainly, Cain - who was a murderer and a liar from the beginning - could NOT have been an image and likeness of God. That's would be crazy to assume otherwise and will not make sense.


1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Dear Blade, I am not sure what kind of Bible rendition you are using but it seems to me it's adulterated. IMHO.... However, just so you know,  I am using the original English translation of the Hebrew Scripture - Old English King James Version.

Anyway, the last Adam could NOT have been our Lord Jesus Christ but Adam himself, since,  Jesus is the SOURCE of the quickening spirit and Jesus is the ALPHA and OMEGA and second to none.

God bless



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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2019, 04:29:54 pm »
Dear Blade,

Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and in detail.

What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future.

IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1.

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Also, to be created in the image and likeness of God is to be created spiritually. Adam was physically formed on the 3rd day becoming a NATURAL LIVING SOUL and was Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God - who is a Spirit - on the 6th Day together with Eve at the same time - Gen 5:1-3  during Seth's generation.

Most certainly, Cain - who was a murderer and a liar from the beginning - could NOT have been an image and likeness of God. That's would be crazy to assume otherwise and will not make sense.


1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Dear Blade, I am not sure what kind of Bible rendition you are using but it seems to me it's adulterated. IMHO.... However, just so you know,  I am using the original English translation of the Hebrew Scripture - Old English King James Version.

Anyway, the last Adam could NOT have been our Lord Jesus Christ but Adam himself, since,  Jesus is the SOURCE of the quickening spirit and Jesus is the ALPHA and OMEGA and second to none.

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In reality Seve, Gen 1 is a Prologue with Chapter two and three giving us the nuts and bolts of creation. Creation did happen and it did happen in 6 24 hour days.

Having said that, one might consider the 6th day you say we are in now is a dispensation period. If this is the case, I personally believe we are in the 5th day. Why would I say this.

According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a fleshly form to a heavenly form. During the earth itself will be restore to (I believe) the original conditions as seen in Eden during the Millennium.  Thus the sixth day.

The seventh day, the Lord rested. After the 1,000 years of Jesus' reign on earth, those who still await judgement will be judged, a NEW earth will be populated by those who live through the millennium and the New Jerusalem will arrive in the sky (does not say it ever lands). In the sky, the New Jerusalem can be seen from everywhere on earth (i.e. Flat Earth).

After the judgements, the creation of a New Earth, GOD will rest for an eternity at the 7,000 year mark.

Yes, 7 days of creation is followed by 7,000 years  There will be (I believe) seven dispensation periods from the beginning to eternity.  My vision of the dispensations are as follows,.

1. Creation (Gen 1 -3)

2. Post Creation-Post Flood  (Gen 4 - Gen 10)

3. Post Flood - Pre-Law of Moses   (Gen 11- Exo - 20

4. Th Law of Moses    (Exo 20 - Mat 3)

5. The Period of Grace (days of John the Baptist, 1900+ years)
    (Mat 27 - Harpazo, Rapture of the Church (Body of Jesus Christ)

6. Post Grace Period - Pre-White Throne Judgment Period

7. Post New Earth/Jerusalem Creation to Eternity

(NOTE: the above dispensation periods are subjective and do not represent a hard core dogma of the author.)

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You said:  "Most certainly, Cain - who was a murderer and a liar from the beginning - "

Are you speaking of Cain's life here?? He was not present at the Beginning of all things.

Satan on the other hand was present and showed himself in Eden to be a murderer from the beginning. For he Murdered all of US. UP until this time, Man was not slated to die, but after the fall, the judgement of death was placed on mankind. Yes, Satan did that.

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You said:  "I am using the original English translation of the Hebrew Scripture - Old English King James Version."

Your Bible is not the Authorized 1611 King James Verson which you are trying to portray. I use the present Authorized version of the KJV (from the 1611 Bible)

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you said: "Anyway, the last Adam could NOT have been our Lord Jesus Christ but Adam himself, since,  Jesus is the SOURCE of the quickening spirit and Jesus is the ALPHA and OMEGA and second to none."

I see you do not understand how the Bible is written!

Have a good day

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2019, 09:04:22 pm »
Here’s where Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day BEFORE he was created in the image and likeness of God together with Eve on the 6th Day.

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground on the THIRD Day:

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.

Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul. In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.

IOW, Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally,…. after A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel… In fact, the actual Creation This Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord as recorded and explained in the Scripture below - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2


In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel; and the creation event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ...and repent. 

Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of God.

Therefore, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from natural birth, unless, one is Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Amen?
Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2019, 01:22:56 am »
My dear friend @Bladerunner you said: According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a fleshly form to a heavenly form. During the earth itself will be restore to (I believe) the original conditions as seen in Eden during the Millennium.  Thus the sixth day.

Here is what it really says:

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.

Also, here is how I understand the change Believers, and un-believers will go through:

Before identifying the “dead in Christ,” we should note the context in which this phrase is found. The immediate context is 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, which deals with the question of what will happen at the return of the Lord Jesus. Paul’s readers were concerned that when Christ returns, those who have died prior to then would somehow miss out. The primary purpose of this passage is to comfort those believers who have lost believing loved ones.

The message of this passage is a message of hope. Christians have hope that unbelievers do not have when they lose loved ones. There is hope beyond the grave for Christians, and part of that hope is that, at the return of Christ, those who have already died “will rise first.” After that, Christians who are still alive will be transformed. Both groups will be “caught up” and will meet the Lord in the air. Paul closes this section with an admonition to encourage others with this hope.

In this passage, Paul uses the common euphemism of sleep to refer to those who have died in Christ, i.e., believers. Paul wants to comfort his readers that those Christians who have died prior to the return of Christ will not miss out on anything. That is why he opens this section by saying, “But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope” (v. 13).

So to answer the question, the dead in Christ are those believers who have died prior to the second coming of Christ. (Note, whether 1 Thessalonians 4 is referring to the second coming or the rapture is a matter of debate.) Believers, whether dead or alive, belong to Christ. We get similar language from the apostle in his first letter to the Corinthians when he writes, “But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ” (1 Corinthians 15:23). The dead in Christ applies not only to Paul’s original audience, but to all believers who have died in what can be termed the “inter-advental” period, or the time between the first and second comings of Christ.

Another question that may come up in this context is what happens to believers when they die? Certainly, Paul uses sleep to refer to their state, but does this mean that believers experience (for lack of a better word) an unconscious sleep-like state until the future resurrection? Those who advocate this position, called soul sleep, base it on passages such as 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18. But it should be noted that “sleep” as used here is euphemistic. It is not meant to convey actual sleep. In fact, the experience of the believer after death and before the end of the age when Christ returns is conscious, blissful communion with the Lord. Paul hints at this in 2 Corinthians 5:6–8 and Philippians 1:23.

At death, the body lies in repose in the grave awaiting the resurrection of the last day, but the soul goes to be at home with the Lord. This is the doctrine of the intermediate state. Believers experience in a provisional sense the rewards that await them in heaven, while unbelievers experience a taste of their eternal torment in hell (Luke 16:19–31).

I love you my friend, and may God bless us all!
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There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2019, 03:05:23 pm »
If I may: Here’s the way I see it with regards to the subject matter:

In the Day of the event, Adam and Eve were Created in the Image and Likeness of God, or Born Again spiritually (Gen 1:26-27)- both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; kicked- out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel; (Gen. 5:1-3)

The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’ generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first couple to be redeemed by the Lord.

Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in Gen 5:1-2 but instead the term God is used. God is the name of the Trinity, an invisible Spirit. When God (Elohim-The Judges) "creates", it s ALWAYS an Eternal Creation. Gen 5:1-2 is telling us WHEN Adam and Eve were Created in the image and likeness of God.. or born again Spiritually by the Trinity and NOT their physical formation by Jesus.

IOW, Jesus physically formed A&E becoming a living soul and sinned... then... God (the Trinity) who's full of mercy, redeemed them and made them alive forevermore,

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Our God is an awesome God.

Hello Seve my friend.
Interesting take on Gods creation of man, I never heard this one before, you said: The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’ generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first couple to be redeemed by the Lord.


Are you a Christian? If so, which denomination?
God bless you.
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I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2019, 05:50:54 pm »
Hello my friend,

“Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ”

Yes, I consider myself to be a Born Again Christian - Non-Denomination Church - An independent Christian.

God bless
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2019, 07:29:41 am »
Dear Arius,

I just notice that you have been disagreeing mostly to my post above, would that be correct statement of facts?

Perhaps, I could explain myself further for your better understanding of my perspective of the subject matter. Just let me know exactly why and which of my statements or claims you're disagreeing with, so we can also discuss it further, if you want to.

I know, my view is very peculiar  and contrary to mostly traditional teachings. Rest assure however, that I only use the Scripture (KJV) to support what I post and claim. Given, an opportunity, I can also help you to better understand my position of the subject matter at hand to avoid any assumption or speculation of my stand.

Thank you and best regards, my friend.

God bless



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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2019, 07:21:15 pm »
Dear Arius,

I just notice that you have been disagreeing mostly to my post above, would that be correct statement of facts?

Perhaps, I could explain myself further for your better understanding of my perspective of the subject matter. Just let me know exactly why and which of my statements or claims you're disagreeing with, so we can also discuss it further, if you want to.

I know, my view is very peculiar  and contrary to mostly traditional teachings. Rest assure however, that I only use the Scripture (KJV) to support what I post and claim. Given, an opportunity, I can also help you to better understand my position of the subject matter at hand to avoid any assumption or speculation of my stand.

Thank you and best regards, my friend.

God bless



May the Lord bless you too my friend Seve, and hopefully Brothers in Christ.

Yes, I would love to understand more of your take on the Bible, that's how I learned more in the first year debating on Forums then the 20 years that my Church had me read the Bible and pray about what I did not understand. You know, one of those strict Christian Denominations that thought "they were the Only Truth, thus the Only Way" and everyone else was lost, going to hell.

I too have an .. how should I say: unorthodox understanding of the Bible, even Unchristian-like understanding. I don't believe that any of the gods in Christianity is our Heavenly Creator mentioned in the Bible. So yes, I can understand where different views can arise from. But we can talk about that later.

First, after re-reading your above post reminded me going back some years following the teachings of this Pastor Arnold Murray, you wouldn't happen to be associated with this "Shepherds Chapel" denomination would you?

God bless us both my friend, I do want to get to know your thoughts, feelings, and especially your "faith" in Christ, what your faith is built on?
Mainly; "which Christ?" since I'm sure you agree we have a plethora of them in Christianity, right? It would be a terrible waste to build our 'house' (faith) on doctrines of men, rather then the Rock; Jesus Christ as he reveals the Father to us in the Bible.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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