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« on: February 05, 2019, 10:32:43 pm »
Hi,  I consider myself a leaky Calvinist. The reason I say leaky, is that I do not completely follow the namesake of the Calvinist theology (John Calvin).

Most people get Roman 8:29-30 all wrong but admit: "Obviously we cannot transform ourselves. Only the power of God can do that."

Are you like others before you, who say men were born of sin but have no Free-Will. I want to ask...Was Adam and EVE predestined? Were they saved by the Grace of GOD? Jesus had not died on the Cross YET! I expect, when we get to heaven we will see both of them there.

One thing I can tell you is that Adam had Free Will. So did Eve. She did not have to follow Satan's advise but by her own Free-Will she did. Adam did not have to partake of the fruit even though Eve gave it to him but by his own Free-Will he did.....

Thus, Free-Will was created in both Adam and Eve by GOD and the sin that we have, was brought on by mankind's downfall.

Don't blame God for something our forefathers did!.

For John 3:16 tell us.."For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Yes, for God in an eternity past already knew each of us and knew what we would do given the choice of being with Him for an Eternity or being without Him for an Eternity.

Those that would accept HIM, He predestined.

For all of the people, He loved them SO much that He gave a book (Holy Bible) that had John 3:16. He would tell the world and everyone in it that all they had to do is believe in His son who died on a Cross (for everyone's sin who would accept it).  Yes, I did say everyone, yet there are those that had rather be among others (sin and satan) than be with HIM.

Therefore, GOD loves you SO MUCH that he will not force you to live with HIM.

He loves you SO MUCH that He will abide by your choice made by you Free-Will.

He loves you SO MUCH that HE will carry the burden of not being with the Children of His creation who do not want to be with Him.

Yet, If He had forced us all to love HIM, we would have no FREE-WILL. We would be automatons. What kind of LOVE would that be????

Another choice He had at creation, would be to simply leave us to our own doings, remove the restrainer(the Holy Spirit) and let man's evil consume himself....Today, we could end it very quickly and most likely WILL.

Yes, we would still have Free-Will, but Free-Will to do what? DIE, a death where there would be NO life after this life (Both body and soul would die) confirming what Atheist have said throughout the centuries; there is no GOD as there is no life after this life.

Some will say that GOD's anger forces those who do not chose to believe in His son, to be tormented in the Lake of Fire. Yet, the words "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." is spoken of in the pages of the Holy Bible thirty-nine times.

Every Human being has ears and as such the Holy Bible, HIS WORD is spoken to each one of us and He tells us.

Rev 3:13..."He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Rev 3:20..“Look! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a meal together as friends."

For GOD loves you SO MUCH that He will not force you to Live with Him forever.[/u]

 I am sure that if by chance He is wrong and did not predestined the right number of people, from that eternity ago, who would believe in Him; He would GLADLY call, justifiy, sanctify and glorify you so that you can be with him forever and ever.


It is of course, your choice, a Free-Will Choice!


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2019, 10:52:29 pm »
Great post Bladerunner, and I too agree with much of the Calvinist doctrine except the free will part. I also find it hard to accept that some people were born to go straight to hell and God knows it ahead of time. Why bring them into the world? I have see some good Calvinist VS Open Theist debates. Maybe we could post a good one here and comment as we watch?
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2019, 09:01:09 pm »
So Blade, what do believe that you call yourself a Calvinist?

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2019, 09:44:42 pm »
Great post Bladerunner, and I too agree with much of the Calvinist doctrine except the free will part. I also find it hard to accept that some people were born to go straight to hell and God knows it ahead of time. Why bring them into the world? I have see some good Calvinist VS Open Theist debates. Maybe we could post a good one here and comment as we watch?

Thank you PJ..... Not sure about what you mean by the "FREE WILL" part.if you will expand, we can get it in another post.

 you said:"I also find it hard to accept that some people were born to go straight to hell and God knows it ahead of time."

You love Jesus do you not?        Think about it for one moment before going on.     God created everyone of us.

Keep in mind that God has foreseen everything that will happen which include his actions and what events they cause. He knows everyone who ultimately will REJECT Him...Through the Free Will of Mankind, there are those that will REJECT GOD even though they have been told the punishment for continuing in SIN.

They have chosen NOT to live with GOD here on Earth.

Thus, GOD Loves them too much to force them to live with Him for an eternity.   He loves them so much He will abide by their Free Will. 

It is a little easier to see it from the other (dark) side. 

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There is another question on everyone's mind and you asked it: "Why bring them into the world?"

If Adam died before Seith was conceived, Noah and his wife would not have been born. Their Sons and their wives would not have been born thus, the population of the earth would NOT BE!

It is a problem of Genetics. How far back into the family tree (Noah and Wife) do we got to go back to erase you and I ? This is the same for every person after Adam and Eve.

As with any family, there are skeletons (in this case, unbelievers). 
Those unbelievers though their own Free Will will still have to be born for future generations to be born.

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2019, 08:40:17 pm »
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I urge all to listen to him instead of dismissing God's Word.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2019, 10:31:25 pm »
Great post.  I have moved away from Arminianism to a much greater degree as I have grown in Christ.  My current position is that indeed death came upon all men through Adam's fall.  It wasn't so much God blaming us for Adam's lack of faith in Him as it was that when Adam sinned he became a man of pure flesh and thus had children of pure flesh.  As Jesus said, "that which is born of flesh is flesh."

Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.    This kind would mean that we would have no hope except that God lights every man that enters this world.  Thus, I believe, through the Holy Spirit He quickens us (Eph 2) so that we can exercise a free-will choice as to whether to accept so great a salvation or not.

Jesus describes the basis of the verdict as, This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.  It is interesting that it is not our behaviour, sins, or deeds that the verdict is based on.  Certainly these will be reflected by our relationship to Christ, but they are not the basis of Judgement.

Anyway, I could be wrong.  Thanks for the great post.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2019, 10:40:52 pm »
Great post.  I have moved away from Arminianism to a much greater degree as I have grown in Christ.  My current position is that indeed death came upon all men through Adam's fall.  It wasn't so much God blaming us for Adam's lack of faith in Him as it was that when Adam sinned he became a man of pure flesh and thus had children of pure flesh.  As Jesus said, "that which is born of flesh is flesh."

Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.    This kind would mean that we would have no hope except that God lights every man that enters this world.  Thus, I believe, through the Holy Spirit He quickens us (Eph 2) so that we can exercise a free-will choice as to whether to accept so great a salvation or not.

Jesus describes the basis of the verdict as, This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.  It is interesting that it is not our behaviour, sins, or deeds that the verdict is based on.  Certainly these will be reflected by our relationship to Christ, but they are not the basis of Judgement.

Anyway, I could be wrong. Thanks for the great post.

Good evening Grace_Accepted and NO you are not wrong!

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2019, 10:28:26 am »
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This man has given all of his life God. He still after 40+ years, speaks  with the Authority of GOD... How does He do that! He Teaches verse by verse from GOD's WORD.

I urge all to listen to him instead of dismissing God's Word.

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Blade, from what I hear so far I agree and it even seems to line up with dispensational study. Is there such a thing as a dispensational calvinist?

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This man has given all of his life God. He still after 40+ years, speaks  with the Authority of GOD... How does He do that! He Teaches verse by verse from GOD's WORD.

I urge all to listen to him instead of dismissing God's Word.

Blade[/shadow]
Blade, from what I hear so far I agree and it even seems to line up with dispensational study. Is there such a thing as a dispensational calvinist?

A dispensationalist calvinist?..... I am a Calvinist and a dispensationalist (partial) as well.

Why do you ask?

Dispensation is Biblical (x4) and in my opinion it is a period of time that God interacts with human kind different than He did in another time period.

1*In the Creation Dispensation ( God only had ONE RULE and He threw them out instead of killing Adam and EVE)

2*In the dispensation time period to Noah's Flood,  God destroyed the whole world except eight.

3*In the Dispensation time period between the end of Noah's flood and pre-law, God change languages, moved people around and split ONE language into several.

4*In the Dispensation period of the Law of Moses, God chose a specific people and gave them laws to live, govern and worship by. Throughout this period /of many kings,  God has used the Gentiles to bring wrath upon His chosen people.

5*In the dispensation period of the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus Christ (God manifest in the flesh), began speaking to His chosen people about a Kingdom on earth where they would rule over Israel. Having rejected their Messiah two times in this period of time and a third time in the next dispensation, the Kingdom of Heaven (Millennium) on Earth was postponed for a future time.

6*In the dispensation of Grace, those who believe in the SON of GOD, Jesus Christ will receive salvation and the indwelling Holy Spirit. This is different from other dispensations as ( SIN is not simply covered but rather washed away with the blood of Jesus.)

7*In the dispensation of Everlasting Gospel, the time period after the removal of the Church (Body/Bride of Christ) WILL include wars, rumors of wars, Daniel's 70th week, and the removal (death) of 2/3 of the Jewish people along with a large part of the Gentiles from every nation on earth. This time period will establish the Remnant of Israel in the land GOD originally gave them, the Sheep/goat judgement upon each nation of the world and the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the 4th temple whose dimensions are 50  x 50 miles, located just north of Jerusalem. This period will also see the rise of Man against GOD (again) as Satan resurrects the Gog/Maygog War for a second time. This time, those who sinned cannot blame it on Satan as he was not around for 1,000 years to taint their minds. The White Throne Judgment will happen here and the Lake of Fire will be full of those souls who choose not to follow GOD through their own free-will while they lived in their mortal/angelic bodies here on earth. This will include Lucifer, the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.

This last dispensation ended the 7th dispensation or 7,000 years or the beginning of the 7th day from the beginning by GOD's time. This time period has no ending as did that 7th day in Genesis, thus is everlasting.

Add the above definition of dispensation along with the Predestination/calling of GOD for those who He has chosen to live with Him forever and the sum is:

 Dispensationalism and Calvinism are separate but a part of GOD's plan. They fit like a glove.


p.s. I do not subscribe to dispensationalism as written by John Nelson Darby. My definition (above) is by its simplest state, the way GOD treated Mankind vs all other time periods.

Keep in mind that GOD'S Love throughout all of the dispensations was present and unconditional


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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2019, 07:41:16 pm »
Thanks Blade, I as k because I agree with what you believe. I learn everyday.

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2019, 06:22:00 pm »
Thanks Blade, I as k because I agree with what you believe. I learn everyday.

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