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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2019, 11:08:41 am »
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2019, 01:13:41 pm »
Great post Bladerunner, and I too agree with much of the Calvinist doctrine except the free will part. I also find it hard to accept that some people were born to go straight to hell and God knows it ahead of time. Why bring them into the world? I have see some good Calvinist VS Open Theist debates. Maybe we could post a good one here and comment as we watch?

GOD's omniscience, Calvin's failure:
Calvin followed the pagan Greek widom definition of omniscience brought into the church by the Greek idolizers and Augustine: ie, GOD knows everything that can be known from eternity past to eternity future.  Certainly sounds all Godly and all eh? To bad it is a blasphemy...

GOD is Love, holy, righteous and Just before all else. All doctrine must conform to HIS nature. All doctrine that impugnes HIS nature is a blasphemy.

This definition of HIS omniscience implies that HE knew before their creation who would end in hell BUT CREATED THEM ANYWAY!!! This is not loving; it is not righteous; it is not just - no matter how many books of theo-babble have been written to try to make it so...therefore it is blasphemy.

GOD does all things for HIS pleasure but HE takes NO PLEASURE  in the death of the wicked - therefore HE did not create them evil to go to hell! Ezekiel 33:11  Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked...

Also, HE wants all people to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4...who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. so whether HE will get this want fulfilled or not, HE obviously did NOT create anyone evil and without hope for salvation, ie, destined to hell at creation!

So what do I offer in its place? Acts 15:18 KJV  Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. To be precise,HE knows all HIS works, usually accepted to be referring to all that HE was created by HIS creative decree, which implies that IF HE did not create something by HIS creative decree, HE does NOT KNOW IT.

Also, these things HE knows from, since, the beginning of the world, not BEFORE creation, not since eternity past. Therefore we have good Biblical reason to reject the pagan wisdom the ancient Church idolized.

This biblical definition of what HE knows also implies that If HE did NOT create the results of our free will decisions but let us create those results by our free will according to what we most wanted, THEN HE did not know these results of our free will decisions UNTIL we created the for ourselves and brought them into reality.

Therefore NO ONE was created evil; not before Adam (Satan etc) nor after Adam (you, me) but all sinners were created with a free will and an equal ability and opportunity to choose to become holy or eternally evil and then all sinners were sown into the world as per Matt 13:38-39.
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Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2019, 06:21:10 pm »
Great post Bladerunner, and I too agree with much of the Calvinist doctrine except the free will part. I also find it hard to accept that some people were born to go straight to hell and God knows it ahead of time. Why bring them into the world? I have see some good Calvinist VS Open Theist debates. Maybe we could post a good one here and comment as we watch?

GOD's omniscience, Calvin's failure:
Calvin followed the pagan Greek widom definition of omniscience brought into the church by the Greek idolizers and Augustine: ie, GOD knows everything that can be known from eternity past to eternity future.  Certainly sounds all Godly and all eh? To bad it is a blasphemy...

GOD is Love, holy, righteous and Just before all else. All doctrine must conform to HIS nature. All doctrine that impugnes HIS nature is a blasphemy.

This definition of HIS omniscience implies that HE knew before their creation who would end in hell BUT CREATED THEM ANYWAY!!! This is not loving; it is not righteous; it is not just - no matter how many books of theo-babble have been written to try to make it so...therefore it is blasphemy.

GOD does all things for HIS pleasure but HE takes NO PLEASURE  in the death of the wicked - therefore HE did not create them evil to go to hell! Ezekiel 33:11  Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked...

Also, HE wants all people to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4...who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. so whether HE will get this want fulfilled or not, HE obviously did NOT create anyone evil and without hope for salvation, ie, destined to hell at creation!

So what do I offer in its place? Acts 15:18 KJB  Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. To be precise, HE knows all HIS works, usually accepted to be referring to all that HE was created by HIS creative decree, which implies that IF HE did not create something by HIS creative decree, HE does NOT KNOW IT.

Also, these things HE knows from, since, the beginning of the world, not BEFORE creation, not since eternity past. Therefore we have good Biblical reason to reject the pagan wisdom the ancient Church idolized.

This biblical definition of what HE knows also implies that If HE did NOT create the results of our free will decisions but let us create those results by our free will according to what we most wanted, THEN HE did not know these results of our free will decisions UNTIL we created the for ourselves and brought them into reality.

Therefore NO ONE was created evil; not before Adam (Satan etc) nor after Adam (you, me) but all sinners were created with a free will and an equal ability and opportunity to choose to become holy or eternally evil and then all sinners were sown into the world as per Matt 13:38-39.

So Ted T. ...after all that you said above, I am still lost on what your position is concerning the Bible and the fact that GOD's WORD said in:

Romans 8:29-30..."For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.  v30...Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

If you believe in Jesus and His WORD, the Bible then You have to believe in the above scripture! Simple as that.  You either do or you don't!

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2019, 12:12:21 pm »
Romans 8:29-30..."For whom he did foreknow...
cannot refer to everyone He created as there are others whom He cast out because He did NOT know them, proving that to foreknow must mean to forelove. It is also worth mentioning that this love and non-love happened before, and I accept the before means before life in this world.

Since UNconditional love and election also mean unconditional non-election, ie no reason of dis-merit is found in the person being passed over for election and love, unconditional election and non-election is a blasphemy against His nature as righteous and just to condemn a person for no reason, no dis-merit,

it is obvious to me that our being foreloved and elected before the foundation of the world happened at the same time and were both MERIT BASED as responses to our free will decision to put our faith in HIM or to put our faith in rejecting HIM as a false GOD and a liar, the unforgivable sin.

WE chose our FATE by our free will. Those who put their faith in HIM as their GOD and in HIS Son as their saviour, HE loved and elected to be HIS Bride in heaven. Those who choose to go to hell rather than to ever have to be married to HIM in heaven, were condemned on the spot.

he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
Once those HE never knew with love and finished their rebellions HIS first order of business would have to have been to call for the judgement of these reprobate but first, in case any of HIS elect still had strong feelings for those condemned, HE also called for them to come out from among the reprobate so the judgement could be called, and some elect did in fact rebel against this call idolizing their newly evil friends above their GOD forcing the postponement of the judgement until these elect could be safe from the judgment by becoming holy, ie mature. This is revealed in Matt 13:28 ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29‘ No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. 

Once all the elect had all chosen whether to remain faithful or to rebel against the call for the judgement against the reprobate, HE created the physical universe which we all saw, Job 28:7 and Rom 1:20, and chose the Earth to be the prison planet for all sinners  whom HE gave PREDESTINED LIVES (not fates) that would perfectly fulfill HIS prior condmentations and promises of election to the sinful elect, as per Matt 13:36-39.

The sinful elect got LIVES on earth predestined to be conformed to HIS Son and to become HIS Bride.
Those passed over for election after sinning the unforgivable sin got LIVES predestined to end according to their free will desire to end in hell rather than to be married to HIM, lives predetermined to be a helpful part in HIS redemption of the sinful elect. These two groups, the believers who are never condemned but predestined to salvation and the unbelievers condemned already for their unbelief are found in Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

  v30...Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." This of course describes the order of operations of HIS bringing HIS sinful elect to being heaven ready, cured of their addiction to sin, and fully in agreement, accord, with HIS call for the judgment. Once the last sinful elect is redeemed and sanctified, safe from the judgment himself, then the day of the LORD will commence and all will be burnt.


Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2019, 11:00:11 pm »
Romans 8:29-30..."For whom he did foreknow...
cannot refer to everyone He created as there are others whom He cast out because He did NOT know them, proving that to foreknow must mean to forelove. It is also worth mentioning that this love and non-love happened before, and I accept the before means before life in this world.

Since UNconditional love and election also mean unconditional non-election, ie no reason of dis-merit is found in the person being passed over for election and love, unconditional election and non-election is a blasphemy against His nature as righteous and just to condemn a person for no reason, no dis-merit,

it is obvious to me that our being foreloved and elected before the foundation of the world happened at the same time and were both MERIT BASED as responses to our free will decision to put our faith in HIM or to put our faith in rejecting HIM as a false GOD and a liar, the unforgivable sin.

WE chose our FATE by our free will. Those who put their faith in HIM as their GOD and in HIS Son as their saviour, HE loved and elected to be HIS Bride in heaven. Those who choose to go to hell rather than to ever have to be married to HIM in heaven, were condemned on the spot.

he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
Once those HE never knew with love and finished their rebellions HIS first order of business would have to have been to call for the judgement of these reprobate but first, in case any of HIS elect still had strong feelings for those condemned, HE also called for them to come out from among the reprobate so the judgement could be called, and some elect did in fact rebel against this call idolizing their newly evil friends above their GOD forcing the postponement of the judgement until these elect could be safe from the judgment by becoming holy, ie mature. This is revealed in Matt 13:28 ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29‘ No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. 

Once all the elect had all chosen whether to remain faithful or to rebel against the call for the judgement against the reprobate, HE created the physical universe which we all saw, Job 28:7 and Rom 1:20, and chose the Earth to be the prison planet for all sinners  whom HE gave PREDESTINED LIVES (not fates) that would perfectly fulfill HIS prior condmentations and promises of election to the sinful elect, as per Matt 13:36-39.

The sinful elect got LIVES on earth predestined to be conformed to HIS Son and to become HIS Bride.
Those passed over for election after sinning the unforgivable sin got LIVES predestined to end according to their free will desire to end in hell rather than to be married to HIM, lives predetermined to be a helpful part in HIS redemption of the sinful elect. These two groups, the believers who are never condemned but predestined to salvation and the unbelievers condemned already for their unbelief are found in Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

  v30...Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." This of course describes the order of operations of HIS bringing HIS sinful elect to being heaven ready, cured of their addiction to sin, and fully in agreement, accord, with HIS call for the judgment. Once the last sinful elect is redeemed and sanctified, safe from the judgment himself, then the day of the LORD will commence and all will be burnt.

TED, I did not get past this phrase...You said: "cannot refer to everyone He created as there are others whom He cast out because He did NOT know them,"

It is obvious you have decide NOT to take Jesus Christ up on His GRACE Gift Package. For GOD LOVES you so much, He will abide by your free-will decision. Yes, He loves you, and he will not make you live with Him when it is evident, You do not want to. Of course there are only one choice that is the right choice.

So Sad !

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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2019, 10:57:42 am »
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TED, I did not get past this phrase...You said: "cannot refer to everyone He created as there are others whom He cast out because He did NOT know them,"

It is obvious you have decide NOT to take Jesus Christ up on His GRACE Gift Package. For GOD LOVES you so much, He will abide by your free-will decision. Yes, He loves you, and he will not make you live with Him when it is evident, You do not want to. Of course there are only one choice that is the right choice.

First, I can barely navigate this site -it is just too busy and confusing.
Second, I cannot find the reply with quote feature so there is no link back link, sigh.

Third, you make a lot of assumptions about why I quoted a verse that you stated you do not understand why I quoted it... Do you often have knee jerk opposition to other's non-Calvinist approach?

So let's try something new...Put the phrase you have difficulty with in context of the verse I used to introduce the concept, Romans 8:29-30..."For whom he did foreknow... ie  "cannot refer to everyone He created as there are others whom He cast out because He did NOT know them,"

the concept being that foreknown cannot refer to everyone because some HE never knew !  Matthew 7:23...  It's too bad you stopped there because the rest of the essay developes of the concept.

Instead of maligning me with false accusations, will you deal with the  contention I made, exegete the verse as I did and tell me how you believe I missed the mark like a good debater does?



Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2019, 11:02:34 am »
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TED, I did not get past this phrase...You said: "cannot refer to everyone He created as there are others whom He cast out because He did NOT know them,"

It is obvious you have decide NOT to take Jesus Christ up on His GRACE Gift Package. For GOD LOVES you so much, He will abide by your free-will decision. Yes, He loves you, and he will not make you live with Him when it is evident, You do not want to. Of course there are only one choice that is the right choice.

First, I can barely navigate this site -it is just too busy and confusing.
Second, I cannot find the reply with quote feature so there is no link back link, sigh.

Third, you make a lot of assumptions about why I quoted a verse that you stated you do not understand why I quoted it... Do you often have knee jerk opposition to other's non-Calvinist approach?

So let's try something new...Put the phrase you have difficulty with in context of the verse I used to introduce the concept, Romans 8:29-30..."For whom he did foreknow... ie  "cannot refer to everyone He created as there are others whom He cast out because He did NOT know them,"

the concept being that foreknown cannot refer to everyone because some HE never knew !  Matthew 7:23...  It's too bad you stopped there because the rest of the essay developes of the concept.

Instead of maligning me with false accusations, will you deal with the  contention I made, exegete the verse as I did and tell me how you believe I missed the mark like a good debater does?
Ted, sorry the quote feature is ABOVE the post at the top right. Most forums have them at the bottom right. I hope you get used to it here brother.
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2019, 08:51:57 pm »
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TED, I did not get past this phrase...You said: "cannot refer to everyone He created as there are others whom He cast out because He did NOT know them,"

It is obvious you have decide NOT to take Jesus Christ up on His GRACE Gift Package. For GOD LOVES you so much, He will abide by your free-will decision. Yes, He loves you, and he will not make you live with Him when it is evident, You do not want to. Of course there are only one choice that is the right choice.

First, I can barely navigate this site -it is just too busy and confusing.
Second, I cannot find the reply with quote feature so there is no link back link, sigh.

Third, you make a lot of assumptions about why I quoted a verse that you stated you do not understand why I quoted it... Do you often have knee jerk opposition to other's non-Calvinist approach?

So let's try something new...Put the phrase you have difficulty with in context of the verse I used to introduce the concept, Romans 8:29-30..."For whom he did foreknow... ie  "cannot refer to everyone He created as there are others whom He cast out because He did NOT know them,"

the concept being that foreknown cannot refer to everyone because some HE never knew !  Matthew 7:23...  It's too bad you stopped there because the rest of the essay developes of the concept.

Instead of maligning me with false accusations, will you deal with the  contention I made, exegete the verse as I did and tell me how you believe I missed the mark like a good debater does?
Ted, sorry the quote feature is ABOVE the post at the top right. Most forums have them at the bottom right. I hope you get used to it here brother.

Hi Ted..mind if I step into this debate?

I see you are doubting GOD's WORD. I agree that the verses in the Bible are sometimes hard to read.

First we have Romans 8:29 that tell us HE foreknew us and then the verse you quoted: YET!

Mat 7:23..."And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

But then what is the content...Lets go back a verse or two and see.

Mat 7:21-22."Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. "
 

We find out that the Lord is speaking to the Jews about how to get into heaven, the good works has to be of the Father's will?

Mat 7:22...Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"


In the Mat.7:22....many will tell Him what they have done for Him (Jesus) but is it really what He wants?

Mat 7:23... Jesus tells them He does not even know them.  I ask you Ted:
 'Did you did you ever know someone but because of something they have done, You did not know them?  Would you be like Peter and deny you did not know them?'

God gives you a Gift and all one has to do is believe and accept Jesus Christ as You Lord and Savior. (1 Cor 15:1-4).  If you turn away from GOD as you are doing, What do you REALLY expect GOD to do with you.

Luke 21:18..."But there shall not an hair of your head perish."  How does He know how many hairs are on your head and if one of them has perished? In other words, He knows what you are doing, thinking, etc.

In Job 31:15 we find.."Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?"   

Did Jesus make you in the Womb?  Did he give you that first breath of life?

In Rom 9:12..we find God speaking to Rebecca and tell her the two babies within her Esau and Jacob..
"It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger."


How would He know that, but it really happened.

Mat 6:8.."“Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him."

In Jer 1:5, we find God already knew him....as He has said He knows you and me and everyone else!

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;[/b] (He made us, YES)
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”"[/color]

And you have doubts for your sins, lifestyle, worldview, etc. will not let you see the truth in front of you.

We are not discussing if GOD lied, we are discussing His omniscience or His ability to know everything.

There are some 108 prophecies from the OT that were fulfilled completely about the first coming of Jesus Christ and His death on the Cross..... Yet you say God does not know some. 


Ted, GOD has the power, and foresight to see and know you before you were born. It is really up to you whether GOD in your future says to you "I never knew you"   or  NOT?    YOUR CHOICE!

Have a good evening and please do a lot of soul searching.

This is not a game or trying to live life (here on earth) to the fullest,  it is about spending an Eternity...........

In The Lake of FIRE (eternal torment)
             or
Heaven (eternal bliss)


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2019, 11:23:34 am »
Hi Ted..mind if I step into this debate?
I see you are doubting GOD's WORD.
Then you still see wrongly! 

I reject only the interpretation of man led astray...and your hubris of implying that your interpretation is the only GOD's word around dismays me...
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2019, 11:49:07 am »
In Jer 1:5, we find God already knew him....as He has said He knows you and me and everyone else!

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;[/b] (He made us, YES)
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”"[/color]

I contend that in the light of other Biblical  revelations that your interpretation of this verse is wrong. IF you showed this verse to anyone who had NO THEOLOGICAL AX TO GRIND,  they would all agree that the Creator knew the person as a person, before HE had that person formed in an earthly womb. 

This interpretation fits perfectly with the revelation of Matt 13:38-39 that the elect are sown (not created) in the world by the Son of Man and the reprobate are sown, (not created) in the world by the devil.

and yes, HE knew us all because ALL the sons of GOD were all there in attendance at the creation of the physical universe and sang HIS praises: Job 38:7!!  ALL / EVERY ONE OF the Sons of GOD must have included Adam, the son of GOD [Luke 3:38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.] and all the legitimate sons of GOD of Heb 12:8. Denial of this constitutes an error...no matter how piously one accepts the wrongfully decided bias in favour of our being created on earth.

Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2019, 06:10:25 pm »
Hi Ted..mind if I step into this debate?
I see you are doubting GOD's WORD.
Then you still see wrongly! 

I reject only the interpretation of man led astray...and your hubris of implying that your interpretation is the only GOD's word around dismays me...

No, I simply follow the WORD of GOD.....I showed you WORDS of GOD about whether He knew you or not. But it seems you this post and the subsequent  post, you ignored them and attacked me. I am fine with that. To deny GOD's WORD and what it says is not a good situation to be in.

Have a good day sir:

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2019, 02:43:13 am »
I can never call myself a Calvinist, some of his doctrine is truly awful ... never the less I am reformed, I believe the Sovereign Grace theology, I do not believe in human freewill.

Adam had freewill in the sense that he could obey or disobey but he gave even this limited ability to choose away.

He exchanged it for bondage, apart from Christ we do not have that ability to choose, we can't choose not to be sinners, we can't choose not to die for our sins...in fact apart from Christ we are dead even while we live.

There is no hope for man .... only if God will have mercy upon us.

All the time we's preaching up freewill we are giving mankind a false hope, a false perspective of what their true position is. How often have you heard it said "if God didn't want me to sin He shouldn't have given me freewill...." how often have you heard it said "oh if I have freewill I will repent when I am old or on my deathbed" ?

Think of the young man who enters the school yard and starts shooting. You say it was his own freewill, what hope does that young man have, for nobody gives up their precious freewill, even though it doesn't exist.

What we should be saying is you are in the grip of a wicked murderous spirit which will carry you down to hell...FLEE to the one hope God has given us , even Jesus...cry to Him for mercy.
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2019, 03:05:34 am »
Great post Bladerunner, and I too agree with much of the Calvinist doctrine except the free will part. I also find it hard to accept that some people were born to go straight to hell and God knows it ahead of time. Why bring them into the world? I have see some good Calvinist VS Open Theist debates. Maybe we could post a good one here and comment as we watch?

No-one is predestined to go to hell, sin was not predestined. God never created man a sinner.

But God foreknew and does know and foreknow.

So foreknowing that man would sin God predestined man's redemption.

You have to ask "if God foreknew that His beautiful creature would sin and utterly wreck His creation, should He therefore resign Himself to not creating at all?"

Where would you and I be?

People never really get to grips with predestination because they shun it out of hand, predestiny is grained into every aspect of life and nature. For example the prodigal son MUST return to his father or die a starving and ignominious death because man is created with the need to renew his strength by food, this characteristic is part of predestiny.
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