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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2020, 08:56:59 pm »

What a topic....One could go bananas thinking about this one topic...

To answer your question: He was born of woman, therefore HE is "Fully" Human, a man.

Blade
It can definitely make you think, and maybe even overthink. It comes from something thatís been in the back of my mind for 10 years or more, a part that I never had any idea how to work on by myself actually because I didnít know what it was. Iíll take a break from the backstory for a minute.

Typically if we go the direction of the born of woman thing... we get diverted into something like ďwell, at best he was a hybrid thenĒ and if not that direction then youíll usually explain the original sin angle, which Iím sure is a planned diversion from the guy who doesnít believe in deity in a standard conversation come to think of it lol.

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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2020, 09:13:57 pm »

Jesus was not diminished while He was on earth....As He was a Man he is already in the image of GOD...... It is apparent throughout the scriptures that Jesus was unaware who HE was..;..Yes, He could have called down the armies of Heaven to stop the crucifixion but He did not.....At an early AGE, He knew who His father was....and He through John and others preaches that His father is the only GOD........We see this changes as after he is resurrected and knows who He is actually is....On the Cross, He did not know because of the Asking"Why have you forsaken me" and yet, in the end did know.

Fully Man,,,,because of His Birth of WOMAN and Fully GOD because He was the seed of Himself..........

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I would have never guessed in a million years that you would say something like this. Itís the only way I could get the deity and humanity of Jesus to work in my head together back then.

To me, if Jesus was God, in any capacity, I donít think that Jesus could have known it while he walked the Earth as a man. Any other suggestion I have ever tried, made the concept just feel completely...wrong.

Iíve got to take a break because the subject can definitely scramble your brain, but thanks for joining in.

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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2020, 09:15:16 pm »

What a topic....One could go bananas thinking about this one topic...

To answer your question: He was born of woman, therefore HE is "Fully" Human, a man.

Blade
It can definitely make you think, and maybe even overthink. It comes from something thatís been in the back of my mind for 10 years or more, a part that I never had any idea how to work on by myself actually because I didnít know what it was. Iíll take a break from the backstory for a minute.

Typically if we go the direction of the born of woman thing... we get diverted into something like ďwell, at best he was a hybrid thenĒ and if not that direction then youíll usually explain the original sin angle, which Iím sure is a planned diversion from the guy who doesnít believe in deity in a standard conversation come to think of it lol.

I think your research may be lacking a little. lol   (see blue above)

I believe in the deity of Christ.

Before we get started....Do you believe you are fully Human????

Yet, you have the Holy Spirit within you, who is fully GOD........

Are you not Fully Man.???.....Not a hybrid??

If we were able to test the DNA of  Jesus, what do you think we would find.??..All of Man and none of GOD (simply because we do not have GOD's DNA)...

Yet, if something was included or changed, we would assign that anomaly to GOD.....??

I think you will find I go in different directions than standard.

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2020, 09:39:24 pm »

It can definitely make you think, and maybe even overthink. It comes from something thatís been in the back of my mind for 10 years or more, a part that I never had any idea how to work on by myself actually because I didnít know what it was. Iíll take a break from the backstory for a minute.

Typically if we go the direction of the born of woman thing... we get diverted into something like ďwell, at best he was a hybrid thenĒ and if not that direction then youíll usually explain the original sin angle, which Iím sure is a planned diversion from the guy who doesnít believe in deity in a standard conversation come to think of it lol.

I think your research may be lacking a little. lol   (see blue above)

I believe in the deity of Christ.

Before we get started....Do you believe you are fully Human????

Yet, you have the Holy Spirit within you, who is fully GOD........

Are you not Fully Man.???.....Not a hybrid??

If we were able to test the DNA of  Jesus, what do you think we would find.??..All of Man and none of GOD (simply because we do not have GOD's DNA)...

Yet, if something was included or changed, we would assign that anomaly to GOD.....??

I think you will find I go in different directions than standard.

Blade
Lol, I think we missed each other somewhere. I am not saying that YOU donít believe in the deity of Jesus in the blue portion. Somebody, (me in this case) that does not believe in the deity of Jesus and wants to approach the subject like I started by accepting the premise that He is God, and now the other side (yours) is to show to him (me) Jesus is a man. That is the premise I wanted to experiment with to see what might be different in the deity talk, but I havenít been that great in the follow through.

I think youíve missed somewhere that I havenít considered myself exactly a Christian in quite some time, the reasons are more complicated than just the deity thing and I hope it doesnít change how you think of me. Iíve considered you a friend for a long time and was sure you knew by now. If we can get past that I definitely welcome more discussion.

To your points on the hybrid note, I must say that I had not considered that before and I think it very interesting.

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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2020, 09:55:22 pm »
Jon get your ass back here.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2020, 03:18:19 am »
Jon get your ass back here.
Yes?
LOL, kiddin' bro - why don't you believe in God and Jesus Christ? What keeps you from believing? ✝🕊⛪🙏🛐
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2020, 05:30:20 am »
Jon get your ass back here.
Yes?
LOL, kiddin' bro - why don't you believe in God and Jesus Christ? What keeps you from believing? ✝🕊⛪🙏🛐
Hmm, itís not that I donít believe in God or Jesus. Iíve almost always been theistic and believed in God as being the ultimate Father of all. That hasnít changed. Jesus, I also believe in and am pretty sure had at least some kind of deeper understanding of God more than most anyone else. Itís not as simple as not believing in them. More or less, itís a questioning of my own sincerity when I was pretty sure I was a Christian, added with a few things that I just donít take as a given that in general, most Christians do. Maybe iíll get more into this later, but probably not much in this thread. Thanks PJ. iím Not sure how you didnít know either lol, I talk to you more than most everyone else and thought it had come up by now
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2020, 10:40:08 am »

It can definitely make you think, and maybe even overthink. It comes from something thatís been in the back of my mind for 10 years or more, a part that I never had any idea how to work on by myself actually because I didnít know what it was. Iíll take a break from the backstory for a minute.

Typically if we go the direction of the born of woman thing... we get diverted into something like ďwell, at best he was a hybrid thenĒ and if not that direction then youíll usually explain the original sin angle, which Iím sure is a planned diversion from the guy who doesnít believe in deity in a standard conversation come to think of it lol.

I think your research may be lacking a little. lol   (see blue above)

I believe in the deity of Christ.

Before we get started....Do you believe you are fully Human????

Yet, you have the Holy Spirit within you, who is fully GOD........

Are you not Fully Man.???.....Not a hybrid??

If we were able to test the DNA of  Jesus, what do you think we would find.??..All of Man and none of GOD (simply because we do not have GOD's DNA)...

Yet, if something was included or changed, we would assign that anomaly to GOD.....??

I think you will find I go in different directions than standard.

Blade
Lol, I think we missed each other somewhere. I am not saying that YOU donít believe in the deity of Jesus in the blue portion. Somebody, (me in this case) that does not believe in the deity of Jesus and wants to approach the subject like I started by accepting the premise that He is God, and now the other side (yours) is to show to him (me) Jesus is a man. That is the premise I wanted to experiment with to see what might be different in the deity talk, but I havenít been that great in the follow through.

I think youíve missed somewhere that I havenít considered myself exactly a Christian in quite some time, the reasons are more complicated than just the deity thing and I hope it doesnít change how you think of me. Iíve considered you a friend for a long time and was sure you knew by now. If we can get past that I definitely welcome more discussion.

To your points on the hybrid note, I must say that I had not considered that before and I think it very interesting.

JON, OF course we can continue to be friends....I will try to answer what questions you have on your mind and I promise not to judge you,..That is not my job..

As you say you are not a Christian! could I get your info that helps me know where your coming from....Like the Whats & WHY, do you believe in something else...May be a stumbling point that keeps you out of Christianity or many several points


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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2020, 10:49:39 am »

JON, OF course we can continue to be friends....I will try to answer what questions you have on your mind and I promise not to judge you,..That is not my job...

Iím glad Blade. If I think of anything to ask immediately, Iíll let you know. Iím pretty engrossed in an article Dave L shared on TF about the Westminster Assembly. Itís got a pretty significant amount of my attention for the moment.
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2020, 11:04:25 am »

As you say you are not a Christian! could I get your info that helps me know where your coming from....Like the Whats & WHY, do you believe in something else...May be a stumbling point that keeps you out of Christianity or many several points


Blade

I gave a fairly good general description of where I come from to PJ a comment or two, back. A good portion of it is somewhere, I feel I just stopped being sincere. Some of it is I feel that there are fundamental things that a majority of Christians accept as fact, for one reason or another that I just canít for that reason.

To be honest, I read the Bible more as a general theist than I ever did when I was a Christian, and itís still not that overwhelmingly often, more as a ďI didnít know it said that, what a good point to bring up in this discussionĒ

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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2020, 11:05:44 am »
Jon, it doesn't change the way I think of you. I just want you to know that.
Eph. 5:11 Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose and rebuke them.
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2020, 11:07:21 am »

JON, OF course we can continue to be friends....I will try to answer what questions you have on your mind and I promise not to judge you,..That is not my job...

Iím glad Blade. If I think of anything to ask immediately, Iíll let you know. Iím pretty engrossed in an article Dave L shared on TF about the Westminster Assembly. Itís got a pretty significant amount of my attention for the moment.

OK, Let me say this,,,, Jon scratch what I ask of you as I have found you already posted it in the another post.  Thanks.

I have found that one should take stock of one's position with GOD everyday and take nothing for granted....I think this is perseverance as commanded by GOD....

Someone once told me the Bible was authored in terms that a child could understand and it was also authored in terms that one could dive into and get as deep as they want to......The question is, how deep to you want to go...Whatever it is, I'll try to go there with you if that is ok. One suggestion while you read the WA article.

.Of course, there is always Atheism and being an Agnostic BUT most everyone falls within two disciplines as a believer....


These ar Amillenialism and Pre-Millennialism.   Dave unfortunately (in my opinion) is in the wrong camp of Amillenialism and every thing He gives you will lead to that theology.  I on the other hand can supply the Pre-Millennialism theology.  Be assured, One takes you away from GOD and the Other takes to GOD.   In the end it is your decision to be made.

Blade




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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

 

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