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I've pointed out elsewhere that all prophets upon whom the Word of God descends are used as instruments of God in whatever manner He chooses.  If you are speaking about miracles-- was Jesus the only one to have ever performed a miracle?  So if God permitted Jesus to do miracles, like God had permitted others in the past, then there is no 'but Jesus' model...

Elijah and Elisha raised the dead.
Moses split the sea and prophesied ten plagues
Samson had supernatural strength and so on....

Jericho was brought down to rubble with Joshua's command to blow the trumpets.
Enoch was taken up, so too Elijah and a man came to life again when his body was thrown in the grave and touched his bones... and where are those bones of Moses again?  Ezekiel cried.... them dry bones, now hear the Word of the Lord!

Can you love the prophets without thinking them to be God?  Everyone does.  Can you love Jesus without thinking him to be God?  I do.

Can you love God without conforming Him to your idea of Him?  You must.

Quote from: Mr E on April 04, 2020, 10:48:17 am

Joshua lifted up his eyes and behold!  A man was standing opposite him with a sword drawn....

Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.

It isn't Jesus, but Elohim... a son of God.  One came to Joshua son of Nun and one came to Yeshua son of Joseph (so it was said)

Then all that follows in both records is of six cycles, then a final seventh when it all comes crashing down.

I see you did not read it right..He said he was the"I AM" of Moses.  If that is not GOD then we are all in trouble...It is demonstrated many times that Angels (except fallen angels, i.e. Satan) will not allow anyone to worship them.......Joshua fell at the feet of Jesus. He is GOD!

Blade

I was showing you the pattern that I was speaking about.

The pattern recorded in Joshua is the same pattern shown in the book of Revelation.

But by all means-- go on your way.  Maybe some blind men will follow you.

Quote from: patrick jane on January 08, 2020, 10:25:13 pm

Quote from: Jon Wood on January 08, 2020, 01:13:47 pm

Quote from: patrick jane on January 08, 2020, 12:12:37 pm

My concerns would be - did Jesus suffer as a human man? Meaning, did He deal with sore feet or suffer from a deep cut? We know that He did, making Him fully human indeed. Again, did Jesus experience the same things I experience and the answer is yes, He did.

Thoughts, on the other hand, are where the differences lay. Did Jesus, as a man being fully human, experience doubt in faith or any other human emotion? Yes, He wept. At the same time and I mean at exactly the same time as He was a man weeping, could Jesus have called on His divinity to change the course of history or change the course of time. I believe He could. We can only imagine what it might be like to be man and God Almighty at the same time.

Why would the ability to experience pain be a factor in a full expression of humanity? If God has emotions such as love and anger, even prior to walking the Earth as Jesus, surely he was at least capable of feeling pain to some degree, why would the addition of physical pain require being fully human? Allowing the burden of physical pain to be an inconvenience for such a small time as compared to an eternity that He had no doubts about (because he brought it about) is a small price to pay for God. A price yes, pain yes, I’m not so sure it required humanity other than form. If emotions made Jesus a man, then Jesus was a man before he was born.

*See, weird huh? Now, it’s going to be hard for me to be consistent at this and I won’t have an explanation for everything, because it’s a relatively new idea I’ve sunk only a small amount of thought in prior to posting, on top of it maybe being impossible to apply in certain situations. Lol, my reply was kinda cringey to write, but it was kinda fun.*

Pain and suffering is only experienced in the earth as an earthly being, whether animal or human. The pain and the suffering that Jesus experienced is real and He experienced every human experience, emotional or not. Jesus had doubt in His faith, as we do. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh in the earth as a man and God as a man. I can make perfect sense of this as much as anyone possibly can with discernment from the Holy Spirit and the information in God's words.

... because whatever He bore He bore for US in our place ... our faith is not up to that, but at the least we can receive comfort to know that whatever we have to suffer, He suffered too.