+- +-

+- User

Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
 
 
 
Forgot your password?

+-Stats ezBlock

Members
Total Members: 109
Latest: DrWho42
New This Month: 0
New This Week: 0
New Today: 0
Stats
Total Posts: 10716
Total Topics: 703
Most Online Today: 507
Most Online Ever: 771
(July 30, 2019, 01:13:39 am)
Users Online
Members: 0
Guests: 136
Total: 136

Author Topic: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments  (Read 1168 times)

0 Members and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

Jon Wood

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Global Moderator
  • Jr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 107
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • Referrals: 0
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2020, 11:44:04 pm »

I suspect that this moment of doubt you both reference is His cry from the cross: Eli, eli, ăzaḇtān lāmāh; that is:   My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?

Christ on the cross was aware that the onlookers saw Him as defeated so He quoted the first line of Ps 22. No psalm had a number at that time so to reference a particular psalm one just quoted the first line. But the audience would know the whole psalm by heart and would recognize His message was that appearances were deceiving and He was in fact victorious as per the ending: 31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that HE HATH DONE IT.

Then there is also the verses about the garden incident: Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." which many think He meant to avoid the cross out of fear or whatever.

I find the suggestion that He feared for His life in the garden, that He was under so much pressure He thought maybe He was to die in the garden and not on the cross. Death in the garden was the cup He wished to have taken away (but not His will but the Father's be done) so He could get to the cross.

Thus I humbly reject His time of doubt as probable since it is not necessary to anything and is explained quite easily as His faith in the plan.
I presume that the Why have you forsaken me? Passage was the intended reference because it seems more often referenced and came to my mind first. I could see your explanation as being a pretty logical one in that aspect.

Did you intend to say something akin to I find the suggestion (likely to be) that He feared for His life in the garden? I believe this to be your intention, but am uncertain.

I find it difficult to conceive that Jesus could be fully aware of His deity and yet have any true concern that anything could go any way other than exactly according to plan. Though, if I recall, you have a fairly unique view on several things that I had not heard of before, so Id be interested in any suggestions to that affect.

Thanks for entering the conversation, this has already gotten more involved participation than I expected it to here

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
68 Replies
5127 Views
Last post July 03, 2019, 08:16:16 pm
by Bladerunner
1 Replies
2484 Views
Last post March 17, 2019, 10:12:03 am
by patrick jane
0 Replies
3950 Views
Last post January 08, 2019, 11:07:30 am
by bernardpyron
0 Replies
49 Views
Last post April 01, 2020, 07:37:42 pm
by Bladerunner
0 Replies
36 Views
Last post April 01, 2020, 10:05:13 pm
by Bladerunner

+-Recent Topics

John MacArthur: Comments by Bladerunner
Today at 01:47:03 pm

Black Spring With Autumn Political Commentary by patrick jane
Today at 12:15:00 pm

Christianity Today Magazine - April 2020 by patrick jane
Today at 12:03:44 pm

An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments by Jon Wood
Today at 11:20:51 am

Coronavirus hoax to declare martial law (FEMA) by Firestarter
Today at 11:08:19 am

Rwanda genocide, Kagame, the RPF and looting the Congo by Firestarter
Today at 10:21:59 am

Two Plans: One Jewish - One Gentile: Comments by Bladerunner
Today at 09:06:43 am

SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT by doug
Today at 08:26:49 am

Trump 2020 - Winning !!! by patrick jane
April 01, 2020, 11:55:29 pm

Politics Today by patrick jane
April 01, 2020, 11:55:17 pm

Re: Trump 2020 - Winning !!! by patrick jane
April 01, 2020, 11:55:00 pm

Re: Politics Today by patrick jane
April 01, 2020, 11:54:44 pm

John MacArthur by Bladerunner
April 01, 2020, 11:17:41 pm

Two Plans: One Jewish - One Gentile by Bladerunner
April 01, 2020, 11:04:46 pm

How long were Adam and Eve in Eden by Bladerunner
April 01, 2020, 10:05:13 pm

Great Quotes ... by patrick jane
April 01, 2020, 09:53:57 pm

Jesus Christ, Our Lord GOD by Bladerunner
April 01, 2020, 09:23:32 pm

New Bible Translation by Bladerunner
April 01, 2020, 09:07:04 pm