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Quote from: joechan82 on August 12, 2018, 10:05:51 pm

Are you the guy on TF who said the resurrection is actually a collection of resurrections? That might explain a lot. I might actually come to believe that. I wish I knew how to make these threads include the post I am replying to. I have to keep switching back and forth to see all you said. It looks to me from reading Rev 20:4 that all those groups of people went through Daniel's 70th week. Was that your point? I'll try to figure out how to quote your post in my reply so I can give you a better answer.

The Church does not go through Daniel's 70th week. The 24 Elders represent them in Chapter 4 and throughout the 70th week.

 All the others that were alive at its beginning lost their heads if they believed in Jesus Christ. This includes the 144,000 .

The OT saints were dead thus not alive during daniel's 70th week but were resurrected after the the 70th week and before the millennium.

The beginning of the Millennium was the end of the 1st resurrection!

The 2nd resurrection is nothing more that for those that are unbelievers and must face the White Throne Judgement.

Blade

Here is the point at which we diverge. I say that the church will go through Daniel's 70th week until wrath begins at the 7th trumpet. Now we will begin to argue things such as when does wrath begin, and why Daniel's 70th week includes both the church and national Israel. I can see this discussion as if it happened yesterday. I compare Matt 24:29-31 to 1Thess 4:13-8 and see the exact same event in both passages. Some may say, wait, one is for the Jews and the other is for the Church, because dispensationalism says it must be two different events. I say that dispensationalism is wrong on this point. I think they are wrong on the definition of the church too. I think the church started with Christ and the disciples during His earthly ministry, not at Pentecoste. The church (both the Jewish and Gentile elements) were grafted into the plan already in operation. The Jewish believing remnant was joined by the Samaratins, then the Gentiles. We are not separate from them. The nation of Israel left God, He did not leave them.
Rom 11:1  I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 
Rom 11:5  Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 
Rom 11:7  What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 
Rom 11:11  I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 
Rom 11:12  Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 

You said this, "The beginning of the Millennium was the end of the 1st resurrection!"

I completely agree with this, but it fits with pretribulation or pre-wrath. If the church is gone before the great tribulation, where in the world to all the saved people come from that are beheaded etc?