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Quote from: Bladerunner on December 05, 2018, 08:14:13 pm

Quote from: Billy Evmur on October 21, 2018, 01:07:25 pm

First of all the nations are not the church. Secondly the nations are not disarming they are increasing their weaponry and they do study war as their primary duty.

The church never did have swords to beat into ploughshares, neither is the church the nations who will flock to Jerusalem to the house of God to learn the ways of the God of Jacob.

I disagree here. The Catholic Church certainly had the swords to turn into plowshares

Quote from: Billy Evmur on October 21, 2018, 01:07:25 pm

Moreover Jesus told us that in this age nations will not make peace but nation will rise up against nation and kingdom against kingdom...there will be wars and plague and famine. Right up to the moment when Christ returns.

So the prophecies of Isaiah can only come to pass in a new age.

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If you are talking about a new AGE after the Rapture, then I can agree with you.

Quote from: Billy Evmur on October 21, 2018, 01:07:25 pm

Paul teaches that God's plan for the "fulness of times" is for all things to be united in Christ, whether they be things in heaven or things on earth.

For the reasons I gave above this can only refer to another age.[/size][/font]

 the "fulness of times" refers to Eph 1:10 where Jesus is speaking about HIS Church. When He comes back to collect it, a NEW AGE WILL BEGIN.



Blade

Is that when there will be a new heaven and new earth? Jerusalem, the mother of all comes down from above?

From the Daniel chapter 2 to present time = the Times of the Gentiles. This time will last until Jerusalem is no longer trodden under gentile rule. Even today, Jordan (Moab) rules the Temple Mount while Israel owns and runs the land around it.

This time can be around the last half of Daniel's 70th week. WHen the Jews see the AoD, they are to flee. Those that flee have become unblinded and will consist of the Remnant of Isarel.

Of course, we have the fullness of the Church where we believers (true) are awaiting for that last believer (ELECT) so the Father will tell the Son to go get His Bride. (Harpazo)

There are two events, the rapture(Harpozo) where no man know the hour. The Second Coming , we may not know the hour but can be pretty sure when he is coming. In fact, we are told. For he comes at the end of the last 3.5 years of Daniel's 70th week.

The NEW heaven and Earth with NO Seas or Oceans will happen after the 1000 year reign of Jesus on Earth. Remember, that when the 1000 year millennium begins, the earth has been transformed  back to during the time of Eden. The Highest Mountain in the world will be Jerusalem and surrounding area. Also rem. the temple will have four sides 50 miles long.

The New Jerusalem will not come to earth. Nowhere does it say that it lands on earth.

Hope this makes sense? IF not I can add some scripture to it to help. just summarizing it here.

Blade