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Amillenialism vs Pre-Trib Millennialism: Comments
« on: August 09, 2018, 08:38:10 pm »
These are the two main arguments of Escathology today.

The amellinnialism argument is usually associated with replacement theology which states that Israel forfeited their rights to the covenants given to them by GOD (Jehovah) in ancient times. Their covenants were therefore transferred to the Church (Body of Christ). Because of this, there will be no Millennial as we are in it and Jesus is ruling spiritually today.

Premillennialism argues that we are living during the Age of the Church and the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ is future to us. There are several disciplines associated with this argument.  They are Pre-Rapture, Mid Rapture or Post Rapture.  Post-Rapture had its day in the mid 1900's but disappeared when the things did not get any better as was prophesied. It is coming back with a vengeance.

Through literal, historical and grammatical interpretations of the Bible (KJV) pre-mil, pre-trib seems to be the only game in town.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 09:17:25 pm »
Interesting. I think I'm
Pre - Maybe
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2018, 08:36:08 am »
Yeah, I think I fall into the premillennialist category from this description
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2018, 03:32:36 pm »
Pre mill post trib

just to set the cat among the pigeons  ;D
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2018, 07:03:47 pm »
cat among Pigeons
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2018, 09:24:18 pm »
I'm a cat too. Premillennial, but post-tribulation or pre-wrath. PJ - if you are a MADispensationalist, you'll be pre-tribulation by default. Ask your pastor, he'll know.
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2018, 09:25:28 pm »
I used to be so pre that I would not eat Post Toasties. :)
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2018, 09:58:27 pm »
I really hope this topic takes off. I would love to discuss this with Bible believers. There is no point at all in discussing this with folks who don't believe it or only believe some books of it. I mean, where is the common ground? I hope we can talk here. If we can come out understanding that we can differ on eschatology, and still be called a Bible believer I'd be thrilled. On another site you either agreed with a position or you were called a false prophet or worse. I don't need that. How about you guys? Not to be a prophet of doom and gloom, but you will find out that changing your eschatology changes a lot of other stuff.
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2018, 05:32:31 pm »
I really hope this topic takes off. I would love to discuss this with Bible believers. There is no point at all in discussing this with folks who don't believe it or only believe some books of it. I mean, where is the common ground? I hope we can talk here. If we can come out understanding that we can differ on eschatology, and still be called a Bible believer I'd be thrilled. On another site you either agreed with a position or you were called a false prophet or worse. I don't need that. How about you guys? Not to be a prophet of doom and gloom, but you will find out that changing your eschatology changes a lot of other stuff.

You and I can discuss it?  until the others surround the wagon.lol.. As a literalist , I cannot for the life of me understand the post-trib ideology. If you would, please list for me the reason(s) that made you change from Pre-trib to post-trib. Was it because you maybe change denominations, (theologies), etc.????? While I will not be able to reply until late tonight, I will reply.

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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2018, 10:24:10 pm »
No. I was a Baptist before and I am still one today. About 20 years ago I was driving the car and my wife was reading the Bible out loud. She read
Rev 20:5-6  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 
6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 
I asked her to read it again. The part about the first resurrection caught my attention. When we got home I started trying to understand it. I kept this all to myself at first, because to be anything but pre-trib in my church is anathema. Eventually I asked a few close friends to show me my error. I wrote a small paper to help me organize my thoughts. I read many of the dispensationalists to see if I could be wrong. I read Things to Come by D. Pentecost, I read John MacArthur's book on it. I have read C. Ryrie, C. Larkin, and somebody else. Then I got on a forum to see what other thought about it. I learned from them. I don't know if I am pre-wrath or post-tribulation yet. My arguments may not be compelling to you, but I trust you will see that I at least do have some Bible or my position. I'm still saved. :)
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2018, 11:03:36 am »







These are the two main arguments of Escathology today.

The amellinnialism argument is usually associated with replacement theology which states that Israel forfeited their rights to the covenants given to them by GOD (Jehovah) in ancient times. Their covenants were therefore transferred to the Church (Body of Christ). Because of this, there will be no Millennial as we are in it and Jesus is ruling spiritually today.

Premillennialism argues that we are living during the Age of the Church and the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ is future to us. There are several disciplines associated with this argument.  They are Pre-Rapture, Mid Rapture or Post Rapture.  Post-Rapture had its day in the mid 1900's but disappeared when the things did not get any better as was prophesied. It is coming back with a vengeance.

Through literal, historical and grammatical interpretations of the Bible (KJV) pre-mil, pre-trib is the only game in town.

Blade


One of my most influential verses in posture are the following...

Acts 1:6-12

But zoom in on 9-11 then focus on Verse 12 and carry locational Revelation from verse 12 into Zechariah 14:1-4. Now pair Zechariah 14:4ís locational revelation and circumstances with Acts 1:12, then consider the Apostles Question to Christ in Acts 1:6-8, followed by Chriatís Answer.

If you take it literally and catch it, it should be a Holy moly moment.

All blessings in Jesus Christ to you.

Thatís my opinion, of course.  I am aware it can be read many different ways, but see if you can see it.
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2018, 08:01:48 pm »
No. I was a Baptist before and I am still one today. About 20 years ago I was driving the car and my wife was reading the Bible out loud. She read
Rev 20:5-6  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
I asked her to read it again. The part about the first resurrection caught my attention. When we got home I started trying to understand it. I kept this all to myself at first, because to be anything but pre-trib in my church is anathema. Eventually I asked a few close friends to show me my error. I wrote a small paper to help me organize my thoughts. I read many of the dispensationalists to see if I could be wrong. I read Things to Come by D. Pentecost, I read John MacArthur's book on it. I have read C. Ryrie, C. Larkin, and somebody else. Then I got on a forum to see what other thought about it. I learned from them. I don't know if I am pre-wrath or post-tribulation yet. My arguments may not be compelling to you, but I trust you will see that I at least do have some Bible or my position. I'm still saved. :)


Rev 20:5-6 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. v6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

"I ask that you read verse 4 and tell us what it means to you as it is connected with verses 5 and 6. v4."And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Let me touch on the 1st resurrection. Of, course Jesus Christ was first fruits of the 1st resurrection. There are several people of both races (Jewish and Gentiles) who are redeemed to Heaven during the first part of Daniel's 70th week. These are the "Body of Christ" represented by the Elders, The Martyred that are under the altar awaiting God to avenge them. We have the 144,000 who are very possibly left behind on purpose as they have to be sealed before the 1st seal is opened.  Then there are the Multitudes that are a result of the 144,000 which happen to have palms in their hands. This identifies them as Jewish. The palms is a symbol of Israel on the present day coins. By the way, the 144,000, the multitude and of course those that are under the altar are redeemed. All martyrs, having their heads removed before and during the first part of the tribulations.  Of course the two witness are removed from the earth. These are those that are part of the first fruits (the 1st resurrection)

Knowing this (if you agree or not), what is 20:4-6 saying to you!

BLade   

1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2018, 10:05:51 pm »
Are you the guy on TF who said the resurrection is actually a collection of resurrections? That might explain a lot. I might actually come to believe that. I wish I knew how to make these threads include the post I am replying to. I have to keep switching back and forth to see all you said. It looks to me from reading Rev 20:4 that all those groups of people went through Daniel's 70th week. Was that your point? I'll try to figure out how to quote your post in my reply so I can give you a better answer.
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