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The Protoevangelium of James (Apocalypse Yakob)
« on: November 13, 2019, 12:00:30 pm »
By dakk:

Hello and greetings everyone. First off I would like to thank @Joe for adding this new subforum title of Apocrypha, (which was merely a suggestion in the thread asking for such suggestions and recommendations here, Suggestions for Subforums?).

I would like this thread to concentrate on Apocalypse Yakob, ([A] Revelation of Yakob), aka, "Protoevangelium Jacobi", "Proto-Gospel of James", or "Protoevangelium of James". Of course any and all are welcome to participate, discuss, and-or debate, however one may feel led to engage in the discussion, (as long as it is within the guidelines of the overall forum-wide rules).

There are many texts, manuscripts, and fragments for the "Infancy Narrative of James" or Infancy Gospel of James, as it has also come to be known, (among the group of so-called infancy narratives or infancy gospels), so many so that some have come up with certain compilation texts that are more like modern Biblical texts, (compilation texts made from multiple sources).

One of these compilation texts for the Protoevangelium of James may be found in a book by Bart Ehrman and Zlatko Plese, "Apocryphal Gospels: Texts and Translations", and the basis for this text the authors explain was compiled, (previous to their own efforts), by E. de Strycker and includes the more recently discovered and earliest full manuscript now known as, (papyrus), Bodmer V.

There is a good introduction to the history of the text, from the same book, which may be found online in a Google Books preview here, while the introduction to the Proto-Gospel of James may be found on Page 31. The Greek text used in the translation is also in the book preview together with an English translation of the text submitted by the authors, which begins on Page 40 of the same preview.

There are also other English and Greek versions of the text available online in html web page format as opposed to PDF.

This appears to be the E. de Strycker text someone posted online:
http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/books/protoegr.htm

Proto James with Perseus Morphology word-links:
https://earlychurchtexts.com/main/apocgosps/protoevangelium_of_james_01.shtml
(this text commences at chapter/paragraph 11)

Andrew Bernhard(?) Greek Text:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/infancyjames-greek.html

New Advent, (Catholic version?)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0847.htm

Roberts-Donaldson English Translation
English Translation from M. R. James
English Translation from Shelly Matthews

Gospel of the Tzaddikim (PDF)

I will leave off at this, and open for comments and suggestions, for now.
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Re: The Protoevangelium of James (Apocalypse Yakob)
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2019, 12:01:21 pm »
By dakk:

The most important passage in all of the nativity accounts, imo, including Matthew and Luke, may be found in the following section of the Proto-Gospel of Yakob: for without the following explanation not only does the entire infancy narrative remain a mystery to most but even many of the parables, allegories, sayings, and teachings of the Master during his earthly ministry cannot truly be understood.

According to the Parable of the Sower, the Seed is the Logos-Word, and herein we see that Maryah retains seed or "captures", (which is generally rendered as to conceive but literally means to capture seed or retain seed, whether literal or figurative). And what does she retain or capture seed from? She retains seed, (conceives), from the Logos-Word of YHWH Elohim the Living: and this allegory is how the holy one is formed within her, (as Paul similarly says that the holy one is formed within us, Gal 4:19).

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Apocryphal Gospels: Texts and Translations - Pg 52

Γένεσις Μαρίας Ἀποκάλυψις Ἰακώβ 11:1-3
[01] Καὶ ἔλαβεν τὴν κάλπιν καὶ ἐξῆλθεν γεμίσαι ὕδωρ. Καὶ ἰδοὺ φωνὴ λέγουσα αὐτῇ· "Χαῖρε, κεχαριτωμένη· ὁ Κύριος μετὰ σοῦ· εὐλογημένη σὺ ἐν γυναιξίν." Καὶ περιέβλεπεν τὰ δεξιὰ καὶ τὰ ἀριστερὰ Μαρία πόθεν αὕτη εἴη ἡ φωνή. Καὶ ἔντρομος γενομένη εἰσῄει εἰς τὸν οἶκον αὐτῆς καὶ ἀναπαύσασα τὴν κάλπιν ἔλαβεν τὴν πορφύραν καὶ ἐκάθισεν ἐπὶ τοῦ θρόνου αὐτῆς καὶ ἧλκεν τὴν πορφύραν.
[02] Καὶ ἰδοὺ ἄγγελος Κυρίου ἔστη ἐνώπιον αὐτῆς λέγων· "Μὴ φοβοῦ, Μαρία· εὗρες γὰρ χάριν ἐνώπιον τοῦ πάντων Δεσπότου. Συνλήμψῃ ἐκ Λόγου αὐτοῦ." Ἡ δὲ ἀκούσασα Μαρία διεκρίθη ἐν ἑαυτῇ λέγουσα· "Ἐγὼ συνλήμψομαι ἀπὸ Κυρίου Θεοῦ ζῶντος καὶ γεννήσω ὡς πᾶσα γυνὴ γεννᾷ;"
[03] Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ ἄγγελος Κυρίου· "Οὐχ οὕτως, Μαρία. Δύναμις γὰρ Θεοῦ ἐπισκιάσει σοι· διὸ καὶ τὸ γεννώμενον ἐκ σοῦ ἅγιον κληθήσεται υἱὸς Ὑψίστου. Καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦν· αὐτὸς γὰρ σώσει τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν." Καὶ εἶπε Μαρία· "Ἰδοὺ ἡ δούλη Κυρίου κατενώπιον αὐτοῦ. Γένοιτό μοι κατὰ τὸ ῥῆμά σου."

[A] Revelation of Yakob (Birth of Maryah) 11:1-3
[01a] And she took the pitcher and went forth to draw water, and behold, a voice, saying to her, "Greetings, you who are favored, the Master is with you! Blessed are you among women!"
[01b] And Maryah looked roundabout to the right and to the left, to see from where the voice had come: and being frightened she entered into her house and set down the pitcher, taking up the royal purple, and sat upon her throne, and drew out the royal purple.
[02a] And behold, an angel of YHWH stood before her, saying, "Fear not, Maryah, for you have found favor before the Master of All: you shall capture-conceive [retain seed] from His logos-word."
[02b] But having heard this Maryah disputed within herself, saying, "Shall I conceive from of [the Word of] YHWH Elohim the Living? and bring forth as every woman brings forth?"
[03a] And the angel of YHWH said, "Not that way, Maryah, for the power of Elohim shall overshadow you, [cast a shade upon you] and therefore the holy one being generated from you shall be called [a] Son of the Highest: and you shall call his name Ι̅H, for he shall deliver his people from their sins."
[03b] And Maryah said, "Behold, the female-servant of YHWH is before Him: be it unto me according to your rhema-word."
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Re: The Protoevangelium of James (Apocalypse Yakob)
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2019, 12:02:58 pm »
2003Cobra said:
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I believe Matthew and Luke and the virgin birth.

I also believe Matthew reveals that Joseph did not have marital relations with Mary until after the birth of Jesus, just one of many things revealing that the Protoevangelium of James to be fiction.


By dakk:


So you believe in a literal physical virgin birth but call the Protoevangelium of James a myth? Sorry but that is just too hypocritical for me to even take you seriously. The reality is that you must reject the Protoevangelium because, as shown in the one passage I quoted above, it refutes your carnal understanding of a literal physical virgin birth, which is preposterous, and because of such carnal minded beliefs in what Paul calls Jewish fables, old wives tales, and mythos, the name of Elohim is blasphemed among the gentiles.

These things are indeed mythos and yet they are true, but only in the allegorical typological sense as teaching tools for babes in Messiah: to take them literally is egregious error on your own part even if you do have the majority of mainstream Christianity on your side. I also have no doubt that your other post, which I did not respond to, is likely written by an author or authors who do much the same as you, if not worse, (by outright rejecting the virgin birth accounts, if it so be).
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Re: The Protoevangelium of James (Apocalypse Yakob)
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2019, 12:04:23 pm »
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Yes, I am sure that you know many things that arent true.

No, Mary did not go and live in the temple as a toddler.

Good luck spiritualing the text into anything you want it to say.

By dakk:

The Gospel Luke supports what I say:

Luke 2:36
36 And there was one Hannah, a prophetess, a daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher: she was of a great age, having lived with a husband seven years from her virginity:

That is Hannah the mother of Maryah. Poor spiritually deficient you if you do not understand or know how and why this is true. And moreover, yes, tribe of Asher, (lol), and a prophetess, a daughter of (the school of) Phanuel, just as the passage says. Poor, poor, spiritually deficient you, if you do not understand or know how and why these things are true.
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Re: The Protoevangelium of James (Apocalypse Yakob)
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2019, 12:05:42 pm »
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That document is a myth, an obvious work of fantasy.


By freelight:


A good number of scholars dont even believe Abraham or Moses were real people, but mythological characters created by scribes of the religious cults or traditions concerned. A good deal of 'inspired writings' may also contain allegory, myth and fiction.

There are likely a good number of apocryphal works that are just as valid or inspired as what the church-state or church councils later decided were to be 'canonized' as they began to 'organize' and 'instutitionalize' a 'religion' about Jesus, and even what was 'canonized' could contain a good number of fictional narratives, mythology, tradition, allegory and other figurative embellishments.

As a student of religious studies or mythology in general then, its better to look at the whole forest and not just a few trees in the total context of a given religious cult or tradition, so that one begins to see that alot of what is passed off today as your typical pop-theology or memed 'Christainity' is just what tradition and church councils have 'pre-figured' and 'con-figured' it to be, then slapping a label of 'orthodoxy' on it, assuming thats 'true', when all things ought be thorougly researched and questioned.

Not even Paul mind you mentioned anything about a virgin birth (VB), so that could be a 'myth' as well, later pasted into Matt. and Luke, since Mark knows nothing of a VB, - it is also quite apparent anyways that a VB is 'figurative' language at best, and what matters at the end of the day according to the best mystics, Paul included...is to let your heart be the cradle of the Christ, to let God's logos-word be FORMED in you,....its all about the kingdom of God within your own consciousness, the divine seed planted into the soil of heart and soul, and this is all that really matters in your relationship to 'God', since Spirit looks at the heart, and into the deep things of the soul, it is there he searches the inward parts to see if truth, integrity, love, faith and justice abides.

Remember the pure in heart see God', there is no intellectual formula or even a creedal decree of belief that ushers a soul into God's presences or makes him meet for heaven, but the inner condition, disposition and recepitivity of the spirit to the Infinite Spirit that alone avails.

Furthermore, the kingdom of heaven Jesus preached is 'apocryhpal' in nature anyways,...it is the hidden treasure in a field, the pearl of great price that is a spiritual kingdom, a realm of divine consciousness, an awareness of the absolute, eternal, infinite and ultimate Reality, which is the omnipresence of Spirit NOW, pervading all space and time. This kingdom can be enjoyed here, now, because it is the sole absolute reality, and must be if you accept the omnipresence of God.

Therefore the whole collection of judeo-xian writings can be used in its content and context to paint the best collage or tapestry of what the 'Christ-cult' is all about, and what religious value or meaning such a 'theology' can impart to man, which like any other religious tradition will be subjective and relative to its own catalog of terms.
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Re: The Protoevangelium of James (Apocalypse Yakob)
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2019, 12:08:58 pm »
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Not even Paul mind you mentioned anything about a virgin birth (VB), so that could be a 'myth' as well, later pasted into Matt. and Luke, since Mark knows nothing of a VB, - it is also quite apparent anyways that a VB is 'figurative' language at best, and what matters at the end of the day according to the best mystics, Paul included...is to let your heart be the cradle of the Christ, to let God's logos-word be FORMED in you,....its all about the kingdom of God within your own consciousness, the divine seed planted into the soil of heart and soul, and this is all that really matters in your relationship to 'God', since Spirit looks at the heart, and into the deep things of the soul, it is there he searches the inward parts to see if truth, integrity, love, faith and justice abides.



By dakk:

Thanks for posting Freelight: and the comments I have quoted from you match up with what Paul teaches, and what the Master teaches in his parables, proverbs, allegories, idioms, and sayings, and the section I already quoted from the Protoevangelium teaches the same about the Seed of the Word and how it is formed within us, and thus, it also does indeed harmonize with both the Matthew and Luke infancy accounts if one digs deep enough into the actual language in Matthew and Luke. Matthew and Luke do not teach what is presented in most all English translations of those passages because they are merely rendered according to the natural mind of the natural man and distributed, (sold for profit), to the masses of natural minded people who imagine themselves to be "saved" because they believe what their "church" has taught them to believe according to the natural minded way of the natural minded men who rule the "church".

Paul likewise gives stern warnings about "old wives tales" and "Jewish fables" and that is precisely what the virgin birth consists of: but that is not to say that the mythos is wrong or irrelevant, no, quite the opposite: milk for the babes, and absolutely necessary so as to understand how the Son of Elohim, (the Word), is formed within us. The problem is when people begin to believe such things are natural and physical "miracles" and then go on to force others to believe in the same carnal way or they cannot be "saved" according to the dogma. Paul is adamantly against such beliefs and practices and he says so in no uncertain terms, calling the infancy narratives "mythos", which is precisely what they are, but at the same time they are absolutely necessary, again, so as to understand how the Seed of the Word is planted in the soil of the heart, (Parable of the Sower), and how the Son of Elohim, the Word, is formed within the heart and mind of the disciple.

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The most important passage in all of the nativity accounts, imo, including Matthew and Luke, may be found in the following section of the Proto-Gospel of Yakob: for without the following explanation not only does the entire infancy narrative remain a mystery to most but even many of the parables, allegories, sayings, and teachings of the Master during his earthly ministry cannot truly be understood.

According to the Parable of the Sower, the Seed is the Logos-Word, and herein we see that Maryah retains seed or "captures", (which is generally rendered as to conceive but literally means to capture seed or retain seed, whether literal or figurative). And what does she retain or capture seed from? She retains seed, (conceives), from the Logos-Word of YHWH Elohim the Living: and this allegory is how the holy one is formed within her, (as Paul similarly says that the holy one is formed within us, Gal 4:19).

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Apocryphal Gospels: Texts and Translations - Pg 52

Γένεσις Μαρίας Ἀποκάλυψις Ἰακώβ 11:1-3
[01] Καὶ ἔλαβεν τὴν κάλπιν καὶ ἐξῆλθεν γεμίσαι ὕδωρ. Καὶ ἰδοὺ φωνὴ λέγουσα αὐτῇ· "Χαῖρε, κεχαριτωμένη· ὁ Κύριος μετὰ σοῦ· εὐλογημένη σὺ ἐν γυναιξίν." Καὶ περιέβλεπεν τὰ δεξιὰ καὶ τὰ ἀριστερὰ Μαρία πόθεν αὕτη εἴη ἡ φωνή. Καὶ ἔντρομος γενομένη εἰσῄει εἰς τὸν οἶκον αὐτῆς καὶ ἀναπαύσασα τὴν κάλπιν ἔλαβεν τὴν πορφύραν καὶ ἐκάθισεν ἐπὶ τοῦ θρόνου αὐτῆς καὶ ἧλκεν τὴν πορφύραν.
[02] Καὶ ἰδοὺ ἄγγελος Κυρίου ἔστη ἐνώπιον αὐτῆς λέγων· "Μὴ φοβοῦ, Μαρία· εὗρες γὰρ χάριν ἐνώπιον τοῦ πάντων Δεσπότου. Συνλήμψῃ ἐκ Λόγου αὐτοῦ." Ἡ δὲ ἀκούσασα Μαρία διεκρίθη ἐν ἑαυτῇ λέγουσα· "Ἐγὼ συνλήμψομαι ἀπὸ Κυρίου Θεοῦ ζῶντος καὶ γεννήσω ὡς πᾶσα γυνὴ γεννᾷ;"
[03] Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ ἄγγελος Κυρίου· "Οὐχ οὕτως, Μαρία. Δύναμις γὰρ Θεοῦ ἐπισκιάσει σοι· διὸ καὶ τὸ γεννώμενον ἐκ σοῦ ἅγιον κληθήσεται υἱὸς Ὑψίστου. Καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦν· αὐτὸς γὰρ σώσει τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν." Καὶ εἶπε Μαρία· "Ἰδοὺ ἡ δούλη Κυρίου κατενώπιον αὐτοῦ. Γένοιτό μοι κατὰ τὸ ῥῆμά σου."

[A] Revelation of Yakob (Birth of Maryah) 11:1-3
[01a] And she took the pitcher and went forth to draw water, and behold, a voice, saying to her, "Greetings, you who are favored, the Master is with you! Blessed are you among women!"
[01b] And Maryah looked roundabout to the right and to the left, to see from where the voice had come: and being frightened she entered into her house and set down the pitcher, taking up the royal purple, and sat upon her throne, and drew out the royal purple.
[02a] And behold, an angel of YHWH stood before her, saying, "Fear not, Maryah, for you have found favor before the Master of All: you shall capture-conceive [retain seed] from His logos-word."
[02b] But having heard this Maryah disputed within herself, saying, "Shall I conceive from of [the Word of] YHWH Elohim the Living? and bring forth as every woman brings forth?"
[03a] And the angel of YHWH said, "Not that way, Maryah, for the power of Elohim shall overshadow you, [cast a shade upon you] and therefore the holy one being generated from you shall be called [a] Son of the Highest: and you shall call his name Ι̅H, for he shall deliver his people from their sins."
[03b] And Maryah said, "Behold, the female-servant of YHWH is before Him: be it unto me according to your rhema-word."

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You will not find the word for "matrix", (μητρα), anywhere in the infancy narratives, except for Luke 2:23, and the reason we find it therein alone is because it is quoting from the Torah from a section which includes animals. Everywhere else in the infancy narratives we find "en gastri", (εν γαστρι, in the belly), or "koilia", (κοιλια, the cavity, primarily the chest cavity wherein is the heart). The reason this is true is because the Seed of the Word is consumed, (into the belly in figurative language), and moreover, consumed with the eyes and ears but not with the mouth, and therefore the Seed of the Word enters not into the literal physical matrix of a woman but into the koilia and the heart of anyone who consumes the Seed of the Word.

Moreover it is surely not that they were stupid or ignorant about such things and used the wrong wording: no, they knew exactly what they were writing and saying, but the carnal minded translators appear to have no clue what they are saying. Paul uses μητρα for "the deadness of Sarah's (literal physical) womb" in Romans 4:19, and thus they knew precisely what they were saying, (moreover, as already stated, Luke also uses μητρα in Luke 2:23 where the Torah passage including animals is quoted).

There is no doubt that the authors of the texts knew what they meant and what they wrote and yet what they wrote is never actually rendered into any English translation of those passages from Matthew and Luke. When you show this to someone all they can do is call you names, such as Gnostic, heretic, scripture perverter, and so on and so on, all the while ignoring the plain cold hard facts straight from the texts.

Show me anywhere from the supposed "received canon" where it speaks of being with child, pregnant, or speaks of the womb, and I will show you where it says no such thing but rather speaks in terms of the gaster-belly and-or the koilia-cavity. And yet women do not retain SEED in the belly or the heart when it comes to natural procreation. One would therefore be forced to admit that the authors of the infancy narratives were outright ignorant for never using the actual word for the matrix in their respective infancy narratives, (if indeed one would believe what the translations say over what the actual Greek texts have written in them). No, they were not ignorant concerning what they wrote: it is modern scholarship who are honored and paid way too much for their bumbling carnal minded ignorance and blindness.
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Re: The Protoevangelium of James (Apocalypse Yakob)
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2019, 12:09:43 pm »
By dakk:

As for metra, (μητρα), the matrix or literal-physical womb of a woman, these are the only two places it is found in the commonly received canon of the New Testament writings:

Luke 2:23 W/H
23 καθως γεγραπται εν νομω κυριου οτι παν αρσεν διανοιγον μητραν αγιον τω κυριω κληθησεται

Luke 2:23 ASV
23 (as it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy [rather: "set-apart", from the Torah context] to the Lord),

Romans 4:19 W/H
19 και μη ασθενησας τη πιστει κατενοησεν το εαυτου σωμα [ηδη] νενεκρωμενον εκατονταετης που υπαρχων και την νεκρωσιν της μητρας σαρρας

Romans 4:19 ASV
19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah's womb;

Therefore, if the author of Luke obviously knows of this word for the literal-physical womb of a woman, (for he employs it in Luke 2:23), why then does the same author not use this word anywhere in his infancy narrative? Moreover neither does Matthew:

Matthew 1:18 ASV
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 1:18 W/H
18 του δε | [ιησου] | χριστου η γενεσις ουτως ην μνηστευθεισης της μητρος αυτου μαριας τω ιωσηφ πριν η συνελθειν αυτους ευρεθη εν γαστρι εχουσα εκ πνευματος αγιου

"ευρεθη εν γαστρι εχουσα" = "found having-holding-retaining in gastri", (the belly).

Moreover, from the OG LXX and Matthew, the Prophet Isaiah says the same:

Matthew 1:22-23 ASV
22 Now all this is come to pass, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

Matthew 1:22-23 W/H
23 ιδου η παρθενος εν γαστρι εξει και τεξεται υιον και καλεσουσιν το ονομα αυτου εμμανουηλ ο εστιν μεθερμηνευομενον μεθ ημων ο θεος

Isaiah 7:14 OG LXX
14 δια τουτο δωσει κυριος αυτος υμιν σημειον ιδου η παρθενος εν γαστρι εξει και τεξεται υιον και καλεσεις το ονομα αυτου εμμανουηλ
http://bibledatabase.net/html/septuagint/23_007.htm

"εν γαστρι εξει" = "shall have-hold-retain in gastri", (the belly).

Moreover sullambano, (συλλαμβανω), is "to capture(seed)", and is used for "conception", but specifically means to capture and retain seed. However, in the sense of the Gospel narratives, (especially including Apocalypse Yakob), the authors are speaking in the sense of retaining the all-important everlasting Seed of the Logos-Word, as the Master himself expounds in such parables as the Parable of the Sower and similar parables concerning plant life production and reproduction. For the same reason the various forms of tikto are used throughout, (τικτω, τεξη, τεξεται, etc.), for τικτω first and foremost concerns plant life production and reproduction; and the Word of Elohim is called the One whose name is Tzemach-Sprout-Branch, (Zec 3:8, 6:12, Jer 23:5, 33:15, Isa 4:2, and in the OG LXX-Septuagint this word Tzemach is generally rendered Anatole in Greek, (Rising Light)).

Luke 1:30-31 ASV
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God.
31 And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Luke 1:31 W/H
31 και ιδου συλλημψη εν γαστρι και τεξη υιον και καλεσεις το ονομα αυτου ιησουν

"συλλημψη εν γαστρι" = "you shall capture-retain(seed) in gastri", (the belly).

Luke 1:41-42 ASV
41 And it came to pass, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit;
42 and she lifted up her voice with a loud cry, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

Luke 1:41-42 W/H
41 και εγενετο ως ηκουσεν τον ασπασμον της μαριας η ελισαβετ εσκιρτησεν το βρεφος εν τη κοιλια αυτης και επλησθη πνευματος αγιου η ελισαβετ
42 και ανεφωνησεν κραυγη μεγαλη και ειπεν ευλογημενη συ εν γυναιξιν και ευλογημενος ο καρπος της κοιλιας σου

Matthew 12:40 W/H
40 ωσπερ γαρ ην ιωνας εν τη κοιλια του κητους τρεις ημερας και τρεις νυκτας ουτως εσται ο υιος του ανθρωπου εν τη καρδια της γης τρεις ημερας και τρεις νυκτας
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Re: The Protoevangelium of James (Apocalypse Yakob)
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2019, 12:10:17 pm »
By dakk:

The Birth of Yohanan ~ Circa 3-2 BC/BCE

Luke 1:5-17 ASV
5 There was in the days of Herod, king of Juda, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abijah: and he had a wife of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
8 Now it came to pass, while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,
9 according to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to enter into the temple of the Lord and burn incense.
10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the hour of incense.
11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
12 And Zacharias was troubled when he saw him, and fear fell upon him.
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: because thy supplication is heard, and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.
16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn unto the Lord their God.
17 And he shall go before his face in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to walk in the wisdom of the just; to make ready for the Lord a people prepared for him.

Luke 1:57-80 ASV
57 Now Elisabeth's time was fulfilled that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.
58 And her neighbors and her kinsfolk heard that the Lord had magnified his mercy towards her; and they rejoiced with her.
59 And it came to pass on the eighth day, that they came to circumcise the child; and they would have called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.
60 And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John.
61 And they said unto her, There is none of thy kindred that is called by this name.
62 And they made signs to his father, what he would have him called.
63 And he asked for a writing tablet, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.
64 And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, blessing God.
65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Juda.
66 And all that heard them laid them up in their heart, saying, What then shall this child be? For the hand of the Lord was with him.
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel; For he hath visited and wrought redemption for his people,
69 And hath raised up a horn of salvation for us In the house of his servant David
70 (As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets that have been from of old),
71 Salvation from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To show mercy towards our fathers, And to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware unto Abraham our father,
74 To grant unto us that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies Should serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him all our days.
76 Yea and thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Most High: For thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to make ready his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people In the remission of their sins,
78 Because of the tender mercy of our God, Whereby the dayspring from on high shall visit us,
79 To shine upon them that sit in darkness and the shadow of death; To guide our feet into the way of peace.
80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his showing unto Israel.

The Census of Quirinius ~ Circa 6-7 AD/CE

Luke 2:1-6 ASV
1 Now it came to pass in those days, there went out a decree from Csar Augustus, that all the world should be enrolled.
2 This was the first enrolment made when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
3 And all went to enrol themselves, every one to his own city.
4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Juda, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David;
5 to enrol himself with Mary, who was betrothed to him, being great with child.
6 And it came to pass, while they were there, the days were fulfilled that she should be delivered.

So the incubation period of the Seed of the Word in the soil of the heart is ten days. And therefore it is said, "You shall have tribulation ten days", (Rev 2:10), and in the Prophet Daniel, "Prove your servants, I beseech you, ten days", (Dan 1:12), and within those ten days are seventy weeks: for the "ten days" are ten years, as in the example laid out above in the Gospel of Luke which is no doubt correct. There is no way the author made a mistake so blatant that he does not mean what he writes: he means it, and the census of Quirinius is well documented and attested in outside historical documents, including Josephus, who says the taxation was the very reason for the uprising which commenced about 7-8 AD/CE under Judas the Galilean.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: The Protoevangelium of James (Apocalypse Yakob)
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2019, 04:55:10 pm »
By dakk:

The Birth of Yohanan ~ Circa 3-2 BC/BCE

Luke 1:5-17 ASV
5 There was in the days of Herod, king of Juda, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abijah: and he had a wife of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
8 Now it came to pass, while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,
9 according to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to enter into the temple of the Lord and burn incense.
10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the hour of incense.
11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
12 And Zacharias was troubled when he saw him, and fear fell upon him.
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: because thy supplication is heard, and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.
16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn unto the Lord their God.
17 And he shall go before his face in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to walk in the wisdom of the just; to make ready for the Lord a people prepared for him.

Luke 1:57-80 ASV
57 Now Elisabeth's time was fulfilled that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.
58 And her neighbors and her kinsfolk heard that the Lord had magnified his mercy towards her; and they rejoiced with her.
59 And it came to pass on the eighth day, that they came to circumcise the child; and they would have called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.
60 And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John.
61 And they said unto her, There is none of thy kindred that is called by this name.
62 And they made signs to his father, what he would have him called.
63 And he asked for a writing tablet, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.
64 And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, blessing God.
65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Juda.
66 And all that heard them laid them up in their heart, saying, What then shall this child be? For the hand of the Lord was with him.
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel; For he hath visited and wrought redemption for his people,
69 And hath raised up a horn of salvation for us In the house of his servant David
70 (As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets that have been from of old),
71 Salvation from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To show mercy towards our fathers, And to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware unto Abraham our father,
74 To grant unto us that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies Should serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him all our days.
76 Yea and thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Most High: For thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to make ready his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people In the remission of their sins,
78 Because of the tender mercy of our God, Whereby the dayspring from on high shall visit us,
79 To shine upon them that sit in darkness and the shadow of death; To guide our feet into the way of peace.
80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his showing unto Israel.

The Census of Quirinius ~ Circa 6-7 AD/CE

Luke 2:1-6 ASV
1 Now it came to pass in those days, there went out a decree from Csar Augustus, that all the world should be enrolled.
2 This was the first enrolment made when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
3 And all went to enrol themselves, every one to his own city.
4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Juda, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David;
5 to enrol himself with Mary, who was betrothed to him, being great with child.
6 And it came to pass, while they were there, the days were fulfilled that she should be delivered.

So the incubation period of the Seed of the Word in the soil of the heart is ten days. And therefore it is said, "You shall have tribulation ten days", (Rev 2:10), and in the Prophet Daniel, "Prove your servants, I beseech you, ten days", (Dan 1:12), and within those ten days are seventy weeks: for the "ten days" are ten years, as in the example laid out above in the Gospel of Luke which is no doubt correct. There is no way the author made a mistake so blatant that he does not mean what he writes: he means it, and the census of Quirinius is well documented and attested in outside historical documents, including Josephus, who says the taxation was the very reason for the uprising which commenced about 7-8 AD/CE under Judas the Galilean.

The senators that are in races of their own will be gravely effected.
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

 

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