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Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2020, 05:38:17 am »

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2020/november-web-only/bible-is-our-blazing-fire-women-engagement-scripture.html








The Bible Is Our Blazing Fire





A look inside our special issue exploring women's passionate engagement with Scripture.


Imprisoned by the Nazis in Ravensbrück, Corrie ten Boom and the other women in her barracks regularly gathered to covertly read from a smuggled Bible. “The blacker the night around us grew, the brighter and truer and more beautiful burned the word of God,” ten Boom wrote in The Hiding Place. They’d crowd around the Bible “like waifs clustered around a blazing fire … holding out our hearts to its warmth and light.”

Though ten Boom had believed and loved the Bible throughout her life, in the brutal conditions of a concentration camp—enduring daily threats and violence, surrounded by evil and death—God’s Word spoke to her with a new potency. “Sometimes I would slip the Bible from its little sack with hands that shook, so mysterious had it become to me,” she said. It was as if “it was new; it had just been written. I marveled sometimes that the ink was dry.”

We, too, can open the familiar Book and encounter unexpected mystery. Well-worn passages we can recite by heart suddenly speak in new ways directly to our hearts. Stories we already know somehow know us. We read, and the living and active Word does its sharp work, convicting us about our innermost thoughts and attitudes (Heb. 4:12). We study, and amid the words we pore over, we encounter the Word of Life himself (1 John 1:1).

Evangelical women have a high commitment to Scripture; in fact, several studies demonstrate that American Christian women read the Bible more frequently than Christian men. The articles below were all featured in our CT special issue, “Why Women Love the Bible.” In these articles, we highlight Scripture’s power in the lives of those facing persecution, persevering amid racism, and enduring life’s storms. We highlight women in church history who studied Scripture as well as women today who turn to it for prayer and evangelism.

For many of us, 2020 has been a difficult year. While the Bible always speaks to us, in good times as well as bad, hardships can deepen our sense of how profoundly we need and desire the “blazing fire” of God’s Word. May it ever burn bright in our lives.

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Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2020, 11:27:18 am »
What struck me when I did the study on woman in the church was the word "LIKEWISE"  in the same way women...if you go back and see what Paul tells me, they are to live "quite" and "peaceful" lives...LIKEWISE women are to be quiet and not usurp authority...if the roles are "LIKEWISE" then they cannot be completely different teachings, when we look at word study, we discover the words are nearly the same, it is our translations that get it wrong.  But as a woman, no lone will even look at the study I did except maybe my own husband who agrees with what I found and a couple of other men who are not determined to quench the
Holy Spirit that flows through woman too.

When someone can explain to me why when men are taught to live quiet and peaceful lives and LIKEWISE woman are to live quiet and peaceful lives is to be interpreted a different way with a rational explanation, then I will be happy to return to my historical teaching that I grew up with.
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Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
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What struck me when I did the study on woman in the church was the word "LIKEWISE"  in the same way women...if you go back and see what Paul tells me, they are to live "quite" and "peaceful" lives...LIKEWISE women are to be quiet and not usurp authority...if the roles are "LIKEWISE" then they cannot be completely different teachings, when we look at word study, we discover the words are nearly the same, it is our translations that get it wrong.  But as a woman, no lone will even look at the study I did except maybe my own husband who agrees with what I found and a couple of other men who are not determined to quench the
Holy Spirit that flows through woman too.

When someone can explain to me why when men are taught to live quiet and peaceful lives and LIKEWISE woman are to live quiet and peaceful lives is to be interpreted a different way with a rational explanation, then I will be happy to return to my historical teaching that I grew up with.
Usurp authority is what is different.

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What struck me when I did the study on woman in the church was the word "LIKEWISE"  in the same way women...if you go back and see what Paul tells me, they are to live "quite" and "peaceful" lives...LIKEWISE women are to be quiet and not usurp authority...if the roles are "LIKEWISE" then they cannot be completely different teachings, when we look at word study, we discover the words are nearly the same, it is our translations that get it wrong.  But as a woman, no lone will even look at the study I did except maybe my own husband who agrees with what I found and a couple of other men who are not determined to quench the
Holy Spirit that flows through woman too.

When someone can explain to me why when men are taught to live quiet and peaceful lives and LIKEWISE woman are to live quiet and peaceful lives is to be interpreted a different way with a rational explanation, then I will be happy to return to my historical teaching that I grew up with.
Usurp authority is what is different.

LORI......Women are not to have any authority within the church. It was during Paul's days and it is still in effect today.  Outside of the church (i.e. this forum) you are on your own.....Yes, the Bible says to live quite and peaceful lives and by doing the opposite (i.e. feminist, CEOs, Execs, etc.), do run the risk that they will be guilty of not following His WORD!

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What struck me when I did the study on woman in the church was the word "LIKEWISE"  in the same way women...if you go back and see what Paul tells me, they are to live "quite" and "peaceful" lives...LIKEWISE women are to be quiet and not usurp authority...if the roles are "LIKEWISE" then they cannot be completely different teachings, when we look at word study, we discover the words are nearly the same, it is our translations that get it wrong.  But as a woman, no lone will even look at the study I did except maybe my own husband who agrees with what I found and a couple of other men who are not determined to quench the
Holy Spirit that flows through woman too.

When someone can explain to me why when men are taught to live quiet and peaceful lives and LIKEWISE woman are to live quiet and peaceful lives is to be interpreted a different way with a rational explanation, then I will be happy to return to my historical teaching that I grew up with.
Usurp authority is what is different.
If I usurp my authority am I being peaceful?  The answer doesn't change if I am a man or woman but what is different is not how to live peaceably but the newfound freedom women found in Christ.  They didn't know how to handle that new authority that Christ gave them, so Paul taught, the same way as the men....

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What struck me when I did the study on woman in the church was the word "LIKEWISE"  in the same way women...if you go back and see what Paul tells me, they are to live "quite" and "peaceful" lives...LIKEWISE women are to be quiet and not usurp authority...if the roles are "LIKEWISE" then they cannot be completely different teachings, when we look at word study, we discover the words are nearly the same, it is our translations that get it wrong.  But as a woman, no lone will even look at the study I did except maybe my own husband who agrees with what I found and a couple of other men who are not determined to quench the
Holy Spirit that flows through woman too.

When someone can explain to me why when men are taught to live quiet and peaceful lives and LIKEWISE woman are to live quiet and peaceful lives is to be interpreted a different way with a rational explanation, then I will be happy to return to my historical teaching that I grew up with.
Usurp authority is what is different.

LORI......Women are not to have any authority within the church.
you still haven't shown me this in scripture...and just for the record, my husband and I talked about it and these videos this AM and he is still agreeing with what I found which you refuse to address.
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It was during Paul's days and it is still in effect today.  Outside of the church (i.e. this forum) you are on your own.....Yes, the Bible says to live quite and peaceful lives and by doing the opposite (i.e. feminist, CEOs, Execs, etc.), do run the risk that they will be guilty of not following His WORD!

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You assert this but refuse to show it to me in scripture.

Let's take the roles in the marriage for example since that is one argument you previously presented...The word for submitting has two meanings...1. in the military it means the hierarchy of command but in nonmilitary use (as in marriage) it means 2. to work together with.  This takes us back to Gen. where the woman was given as a helpmate, but it also takes us to passages like 2 Corinthians 5:20 where we are told we are Christ's ambassadors...(scripture interpreting scripture you know)...so if it means to work together with, where does that disqualify the wife from any position in the church?  But we aren't done yet...Christ is the head of the Church, not the man...so if the woman cannot serve as say pastor because of her role in the family, the same is true of the men in the church, only Christ can serve as pastor since He alone is the head of the church...so, therefore, we cannot by reason of following the teaching through to the end, have any man as pastor.

Now before you tell me I am wrong and just repeat your stand rather than offering substance, let me remind you that I was totally into the traditional understanding before I actually studied the passage and even after study I am NOT fond of women pastors but my preference is NOT the question...what scripture teaches is the question and repeating your assertions without rebuttal of what I found when I studied does no good to profitable communication on the matter.
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