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Why can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??


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Virtue lost in the Garden of Eden. Virtue restored by the gospel of Christ our husband as new creatures 

Because of the restored order removing kings in Israel the order is restored to the period of Judges’ Samuel the last .A new kingdom of priests was restored, men and women like Deborah or Rehab sent as apostles with the gospel of Christ. 

Previously before the time of reformation under fleshly kings a government of men (law of the fathers a hierarchy )   Jewish woman had a high wall not allowing them to participate with the men in the ceremonies as shadow of the good things to come  and another high wall that separated the gentiles .

The walls fell down the pastoral priesthood was established  A time of great joy for the world a great tribulation like never before or ever again for a Jew.

Then the lord established the new ceremony because of the blending together woman men Jew and gentile).Restoring it again to the garden where virtue was lost. Because of Adams false pride lust flesh lust of the eye and refusal to protect her

The pastoral requirements are a family affair. Two or three gathering under the power of Christ’s faith that works in us, yoked with him. With him empowering us the daily burdens are lighter.
One wife, no divorcees. . . a good example of a strand of three is not easily broken as “sign to the world” of the gospel of peace.. Not a sign unto their own selves (self-edifying) .Christians walk by faith the unseen eternal

A parable of Christ and the church

The need of a new ceremony as a shadow to come to the world. The gospel was given in 1 Corinthians 11 a ceremonial parable therefore restoring virtue that was lost in the garden when Adam failed to protect Eve. Because of the lust of his eyes looking at the most beautiful creature that lost the serpents ability to walk .

Uncovered hair or head and hair covered both revealing virtue is restored one part of the two part demonstration also another used the blood of grapes and bread to represent the body Jesus to represent the consummation the wedding supper

The hair covering part of that gospel sign has all but been dismissed as a fashion statement for the day .A few denominations do honor it as two working as one new creature.

The man with no hair covering is used to represent a glory “Christ our head” the woman to represent as a glory her husband. The woman not left without a glory of her own representative was to cover it. The only glory to be seen was of that of the shadow.    The pastoral ministry is dual
The husbands represent the unseen glory of Christ the head or one given power from above and the wife as a glory to represent her submission to her husband together represent the love of the Father and Son working out our salvation .

Temporal mankind both man and woman called the bride or wife of Christ. . The new creatures we are as sons of God .according to 1 John
 
Husbands wash your wives with the doctrines of God that fall like rain as Christ washes the whole church. Wives in their weakness submit to their husbands as if they were Christ. Something God demonstrated with Moses and Aaron together a ministry of two.

Exodus 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

The witness of God s two never one.

Because God tells us they cannot in His House.

Blade


The pastoral ministry is two or three, a family or a nation of families called tribes sects or denominations. 

Because of the new reformed order destroying the abomination of desolation (kings in Israel) men and woman prophets according to the promise of Joel preaching the gospel as a new kingdom of priest sent out as apostles .restoring to the order of judges like Deborah, Samson. . Samuel the last  Judge before God gave over to the pagan Jews to do that which they should not of. 

God set up the New Testament ceremonial law (1 Corithians11) in order to restore virtue. Adam failed to protect Eve as Christ protects the church the bride.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
 
Again restoring virtue two working as one.

If the foundation of the doctrine of the Nazarene is searched out we can understand why God used hair to represent the unseen glory of God .It must be covered when families gather together and man hair not covered . If either the unseen glory represented by man with a woman to represent his glory is violated the whole ceremony is rendered useless .
.
Woman is not left without a represented glory “her hair. The Nazarene vow, the Nazarene the first sect mentioned of this side of the cross.

Paul is shown releasing himself from the vow, shaving his head. The Nazarene vow throughout the bible was for both man and woman. Virtue restored


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Why can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??


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Virtue lost in the Garden of Eden. Virtue restored by the gospel of Christ our husband as new creatures 

Because of the restored order removing kings in Israel the order is restored to the period of Judges’ Samuel the last .A new kingdom of priests was restored, men and women like Deborah or Rehab sent as apostles with the gospel of Christ. 

Previously before the time of reformation under fleshly kings a government of men (law of the fathers a hierarchy )   Jewish woman had a high wall not allowing them to participate with the men in the ceremonies as shadow of the good things to come  and another high wall that separated the gentiles .

The walls fell down the pastoral priesthood was established  A time of great joy for the world a great tribulation like never before or ever again for a Jew.

Then the lord established the new ceremony because of the blending together woman men Jew and gentile).Restoring it again to the garden where virtue was lost. Because of Adams false pride lust flesh lust of the eye and refusal to protect her

The pastoral requirements are a family affair. Two or three gathering under the power of Christ’s faith that works in us, yoked with him. With him empowering us the daily burdens are lighter.
One wife, no divorcees. . . a good example of a strand of three is not easily broken as “sign to the world” of the gospel of peace.. Not a sign unto their own selves (self-edifying) .Christians walk by faith the unseen eternal

A parable of Christ and the church

The need of a new ceremony as a shadow to come to the world. The gospel was given in 1 Corinthians 11 a ceremonial parable therefore restoring virtue that was lost in the garden when Adam failed to protect Eve. Because of the lust of his eyes looking at the most beautiful creature that lost the serpents ability to walk .

Uncovered hair or head and hair covered both revealing virtue is restored one part of the two part demonstration also another used the blood of grapes and bread to represent the body Jesus to represent the consummation the wedding supper

The hair covering part of that gospel sign has all but been dismissed as a fashion statement for the day .A few denominations do honor it as two working as one new creature.

The man with no hair covering is used to represent a glory “Christ our head” the woman to represent as a glory her husband. The woman not left without a glory of her own representative was to cover it. The only glory to be seen was of that of the shadow.    The pastoral ministry is dual
The husbands represent the unseen glory of Christ the head or one given power from above and the wife as a glory to represent her submission to her husband together represent the love of the Father and Son working out our salvation .

Temporal mankind both man and woman called the bride or wife of Christ. . The new creatures we are as sons of God .according to 1 John
 
Husbands wash your wives with the doctrines of God that fall like rain as Christ washes the whole church. Wives in their weakness submit to their husbands as if they were Christ. Something God demonstrated with Moses and Aaron together a ministry of two.

Exodus 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

The witness of God s two never one.

Because God tells us they cannot in His House.

Blade


The pastoral ministry is two or three, a family or a nation of families called tribes sects or denominations. 

Because of the new reformed order destroying the abomination of desolation (kings in Israel) men and woman prophets according to the promise of Joel preaching the gospel as a new kingdom of priest sent out as apostles .restoring to the order of judges like Deborah, Samson. . Samuel the last  Judge before God gave over to the pagan Jews to do that which they should not of. 

God set up the New Testament ceremonial law (1 Corithians11) in order to restore virtue. Adam failed to protect Eve as Christ protects the church the bride.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
 
Again restoring virtue two working as one.

If the foundation of the doctrine of the Nazarene is searched out we can understand why God used hair to represent the unseen glory of God .It must be covered when families gather together and man hair not covered . If either the unseen glory represented by man with a woman to represent his glory is violated the whole ceremony is rendered useless .
.
Woman is not left without a represented glory “her hair. The Nazarene vow, the Nazarene the first sect mentioned of this side of the cross.

Paul is shown releasing himself from the vow, shaving his head. The Nazarene vow throughout the bible was for both man and woman. Virtue restored

wow!

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2021, 02:57:28 pm »
What struck me when I did the study on woman in the church was the word "LIKEWISE"  in the same way women...if you go back and see what Paul tells me, they are to live "quite" and "peaceful" lives...LIKEWISE women are to be quiet and not usurp authority...if the roles are "LIKEWISE" then they cannot be completely different teachings, when we look at word study, we discover the words are nearly the same, it is our translations that get it wrong.  But as a woman, no lone will even look at the study I did except maybe my own husband who agrees with what I found and a couple of other men who are not determined to quench the
Holy Spirit that flows through woman too.

When someone can explain to me why when men are taught to live quiet and peaceful lives and LIKEWISE woman are to live quiet and peaceful lives is to be interpreted a different way with a rational explanation, then I will be happy to return to my historical teaching that I grew up with.
Usurp authority is what is different.

LORI......Women are not to have any authority within the church.
you still haven't shown me this in scripture...and just for the record, my husband and I talked about it and these videos this AM and he is still agreeing with what I found which you refuse to address.
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It was during Paul's days and it is still in effect today.  Outside of the church (i.e. this forum) you are on your own.....Yes, the Bible says to live quite and peaceful lives and by doing the opposite (i.e. feminist, CEOs, Execs, etc.), do run the risk that they will be guilty of not following His WORD!

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You assert this but refuse to show it to me in scripture.

Let's take the roles in the marriage for example since that is one argument you previously presented...The word for submitting has two meanings...1. in the military it means the hierarchy of command but in nonmilitary use (as in marriage) it means 2. to work together with.  This takes us back to Gen. where the woman was given as a helpmate, but it also takes us to passages like 2 Corinthians 5:20 where we are told we are Christ's ambassadors...(scripture interpreting scripture you know)...so if it means to work together with, where does that disqualify the wife from any position in the church?  But we aren't done yet...Christ is the head of the Church, not the man...so if the woman cannot serve as say pastor because of her role in the family, the same is true of the men in the church, only Christ can serve as pastor since He alone is the head of the church...so, therefore, we cannot by reason of following the teaching through to the end, have any man as pastor.

Now before you tell me I am wrong and just repeat your stand rather than offering substance, let me remind you that I was totally into the traditional understanding before I actually studied the passage and even after study I am NOT fond of women pastors but my preference is NOT the question...what scripture teaches is the question and repeating your assertions without rebuttal of what I found when I studied does no good to profitable communication on the matter.

The ministry is always two fold. The witness of two working as one. Like the father and the son.. . can't have one without the other.

The new order of priest propmised in Joel. .  men and woman from all the nations of the world remains .

 In the end of the matter prophets men or women sent as apostles preach the gospel and water it with the doctrines of God that fall like rain (inspired form above) they are considered  as nothing .(Powerless)

The unseen Holy Father that dwells in each believes has the power of faith to teach us his thoughts . Like Jesus we can preach the gospel but the father must provide the faith or power to believe.

On one occasion when one came to Jesus and bowed down calling Jesus good master as Lord  the infallible teaching authority .Jesus gave glory to the unseen Holy Father saying. . .only one is the good teaching master God (not seen) not the Son of man the temporal  (seen).

Its never about us men or woman as if God was served by humans hands as a will .


1 Corinthians 3:7-9King James Version So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.


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