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Why Be Catholic and not Just Christian | RESPONSE VIDEO
« on: November 24, 2018, 12:13:10 pm »
Why Be Catholic and not Just Christian | RESPONSE VIDEO


This is in no way slanderous to Catholics, I love Catholics and I admire the tradition they have kept for thousands of years. I do, however, disagree with their theological ideals.

Fr. Mike is an amazing man whom I respect GREATLY! So don't for one minute think that I am talking down to or disrespecting. I simply want to challenge some of the points that he brought up in his video.

I am a huge fan of Fr. Mike, I'm a subscriber and I thoroughly enjoy his videos, we simply disagree on many theological concepts and historical pieces of the church.

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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Fr. Mike is NOT saying the Church has the authority to "change" doctrine. He said the Church has the authority to *establish* doctrine. Big difference. A doctrine that can change is not a doctrine. Doctrines develop. The canon of Scripture is an example of development, and so is the doctrine of the Trinity. Doctrines are *established* by the words AND writings of Jesus and the Apostles, they are not pulled out of funny looking hats.

There is overwhelming historical evidence that Peter was in Rome.  Just because biblical evidence is weak does not mean historical evidence is non-existent and irrelevant. Besides, geography does not determine the doctrine of the papacy (which developed along with the canon). It is IMPOSSIBLE to write early church history after 95 AD. based on the Bible alone, but you do it anyway.

Did Peter, James and John forget to bring a copy of the NT? They had a heated debate because the Judaizing Christians were freaking out, insisting on circumcision for Gentiles. The controversy was dividing the church, that's why they convened the Council in the first place. You left that out. Scripture clearly states that A DECISION WAS REACHED BY THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS, you are saying in effect no church was needed to rule out circumcision.

The authoritive proclamations on the development of the Trinity in 4 successive councils were in response to  challenging heresies. You left that out too. (Arius, Nestorius, Apollinaris and so on) The Trinity can be proven by scripture alone, but that didn't stop the heretics who were using "scripture alone" to back up their heresies. "the sole rule of faith" is no excuse to disregard the authority of the Church in these post-bible *tricky* situations. The Church proved that the Trinity was always believed, because the tradition of the heretics was non-existent.

The Church PRESERVED and is the CUSTODIAN of the infallible Bible. You erroneously assert, repeatedly, that the /church changed doctrines, which is impossible. You keep asserting that infallibility means authority over everything. Nonsense. That is not what infallibility means. It doesn't come from popes or councils, it is a gift from God that prevents teaching error on matters of faith and morals. Period. The Pope, alone, as a man, IS NOT INFALLIBLE!!! The Council of Jerusalem is infallible because the Holy Spirit was there. That's what makes it infallible, guiding Peter, James, John and Paul.

If sins of bad leaders disproves Catholicism (which has NOTHING to do with infallibility that you ranted on about), ***then the sins of the reformers disproves Protestantism***. It's a stupid double non-sequitur.

***  https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/09/protestant-inquisitions-reformation-intolerance-persecution.html

The Church has never claimed that one person has the sole authority to interpret scripture. The Church claims to have authority over difficult passages THAT ONLY APPLIES TO CATHOLICS. If a Calvinist professor started teaching Arminian theology, he would soon be out of a job.  There are only 7 verses in the Bible that the Church interprets to say what it does not mean! Your "issues" are based on false premises. To interpret every line of scripture would freeze-dry a living Word.

It's not enough to say this verse or that verse proves sola scriptura. My challenge to you is to prove that Tradition (properly defined, which it never is) and the Magisterium  (properly defined, which it never is) *by scripture alone*, are not necessary, or won't be necessary at some future point. Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium is the BIBLICAL rule of faith, all working in harmony, and one is not over the other. May God bless you in your studies.
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