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Quote from: MichaelC on November 09, 2019, 11:19:40 pm

Dear epostle,

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I just have to say that you should ask Blade to explain more fully what he was saying.

I know exactly what he is saying. A meaningless flaming zinger based on blind prejudice. 

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I do have a problem with the Pope worshiping Jesus' mother and other 'saints.' 

Of course you do. Anti-Catholic myths has been part of your training. It's so automatic you don't realize you are doing it. You will have to show me in any official Catholic document in a 2000 year period that instructs Catholics to worship Mary or other saints. It's a stupid canard.

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Jesus did not tell us to worship His mother.

Please stop saying Catholics worship Mary. It's insulting. The honor we give to Mary is the same kind of honor that you give to Paul. Human to human. Only more of it. Paul didn't give birth to the Messiah. We think that makes Mary special. Don't you? The anti-Mary animus in Protestantism is not biblical. Are we not to imitate Christ? Did Jesus honor His mother? Oh sure, imitate Christ, but not that!?!

We honor saints because of their exemplary life in Christ. We marvel at their holiness centuries later, and even recent ones.

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  He said to worship GOD.

Catholics worship only God and God alone. But don't take my word for it; attend a Mass and see for yourself.

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The same thing goes with the various saints that they put on a pedestal.

  I'm sure you have met holy Christians in your life, who bear abundant fruit. Do you put them on a pedestal? Of course not.

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There is no Mother Nature either. It is simply the Lord who causes all of the weather, etc.  Hey, I've always felt this way.

Agreed.  It's a common euphemism that doesn't necessarily mean creation worship. It's used in every day language.

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  But, I do love the Catholic people and the fact that they accept Jesus as God's Son, and their own Savior.  That tells me a lot and I feel they are Christians, too.

Thank you.

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I'm not a moderator, but thought I should share these things. It is not right for them to play bingo at the church either, for that is gambling and it is a house of worship.  Something is just not right.

People go to bingos for fellowship and to raise money for charity. They are strictly regulated by various government entities. Every penny is accounted for according to the laws of the land. They were never held in a church, but in a hall. Now, various charities take turns running them in public places. I haven't seen a church bingo in 40 years.  Equating church bingos with casinos is nit picking phariseeism.

Dear epostle,

I don't quite know how to answer {quote} separate sentences or paragraphs, so I'll write this in one post.  I want to tell you that I have been to Mass a couple times and they placed more emphasis & attention on Mary than on her son, Jesus.  She even got more attention than God there.  We had to keep saying Hail Mary's and it was just unusual to me.  But every church is different.

I love Mary just fine and can imagine how hard it must have been to have Jesus as a human son.  Also, you have to balance your knees on a hard board of wood in order to pray.  It sucked.  I was so uncomfortable with the kneeling that I could hardly enjoy the prayer from the priest.

Then, I went to bingo about three times, and it was always in the same part of the Church.  But, that happened back in the 80's.  We went to Canada for bingo.  I did not buy any bingo cards.  I went with a couple of friends.

I also remember going into the church and sprinkling my face with some water and that hardly did it for me.  I was baptized in a baptismal pool in a Baptist Church here in Phoenix.  I am not a Baptist, though.  I go there because of how the pastor preached when he was at my uncle's funeral.  I am non-denominational.  I wanted to get baptized sometime in my life, though.

Hey, I'm not trying to dis ya.'  I love Catholics as much as I love Christians and that is what is in my heart.  I see hardly a difference between them.  Just because you have a couple of things different doesn't make much of a hoot to me.  I love them as much as I love all brethren.

Now, I put most of my love and emphasis upon God, the Father.  After that, His Son, Jesus.  Then probably Mary.  I don't put any emphasis on Paul, to be honest.  I am thankful for all of the prophets, like Noah and Elijah, and also Mary, and the disciples.  It must have been really hard for Mary to tell others that she was pregnant with God's baby!  What a trip!!  I do love her dearly as someone who is extraordinary, but I worship only God and Jesus.  I do feel for her, though.

The Catholic Churches that I went to was one in Michigan and one in Canada.  I did go to St. Peter's Cathedral while I was in NYC, also.  I went there to try to tell them about some of my many extraordinary spiritual experiences.  Well, I got no help, but the priest did hit on me.  I don't care really because I have nothing against gay persons and priests are human, too.

I like to love as many people that I meet in life, for I believe that is what Jesus was all about.  This includes loving my enemies.  Everyone is loved by me most of the time, but I do not love their ways or actions at times.

I am not trying to bash Catholic brothers and sisters in the slightest.  I'm glad that you love Jesus and God.  I will see you in Heaven, if the Lord God deems us ready.

Much Love, In Christ,

Michael