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Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2021, 05:17:46 am »
Dear Blade {& Chaplain Mark},

I want to jot a note to you both to clarify that you should love each other as you love yourselves, for Jesus taught us to do that.  This does not mean that you should love their sins and take them to be your own, also.  Jesus did not tell Paul that He was going to kill some Christians, too, like he {Paul} had done, just because He forgave him.

Homosexuals should be forgiven; thieves, and adulterers, yes, but don't become totally like them just because you should love them.  Do you know what I mean here??  Anal intercourse is not the answer here whatsoever, and I would be inclined to stay away from oral intercourse, too.  One might lead to another.

I love man very much, but not having sex with them.  I put myself in their shoes, and can know what they are going through.  Some men like to dress up like women, too, but that doesn't mean that I have to do it.  Too many of us need love and that's okay.  God is there for us to learn about love and how we should treat others fairly.

It's so easy to make such a mistake.  We men can have love towards each other without being derided about it by some others.  It is a travesty for other men to have to hide their feelings of love for each other just because they are looked down upon or it might be thought that they are gay.  I'm not talking about sex, so don't get mixed up on me.

Often, it is what is unsaid that causes the problems.  I'm trying to find the best words to explain this.  I hope that you can understand all of this without misunderstanding me.  Well, this is short for tonight, but it really hit home tonight that I should be more explicit.  It is now almost 1 a.m., so I should hit the sack.  May God Bless Your Journeys To Him During Your Lives,

MichaelC

Michael, the Lord wants us to love the person not the sin as you say, yet if we do not tell it like it is, is that really loving them. Not telling the truth about faces them is not loving them....Not telling them what the judgement will be is not loving them.

Jesus tells us in no uncertain terms what awaits the LGPTQ????? person unless the repent and turn toward HIM in both testaments. It is not judging them that is the problem. It is seeing the sin for what it is and not telling them the truth.

Blade



Dear Blade,

It is really good to hear from you so soon!  It will help me in trying to explain it to others on Twitter.  I do favor your reply here and agree with you.  We should identify which areas of being gay are sins and, perhaps, help them find a way to overcome them.  BR, of course I plan to fill the Internet with disdains towards what actions to cease from if they are having anal or oral sex with other men or women.  I believe that the oral sex is less volatile than anything else.  I want to let them know that such sex is not necessary in order to show them that you love them tons as an excellent friend.

In this way, I can also warn them why they should put wrong actions away from them and just instead live in love, which is so good for the heart, mind and soul.  Of course, telling other LGBTQ persons will help them with their lives and the world as a whole.

Love is tricky sometimes.  I would also tell them to refrain from wearing a dress if you are serious about it and get rid of the prissy sound of their voices which some gay men have.  It is very unpleasant listening to it, to say the least.

Some people have very big hearts and I am one of them.  I love just about everybody, but sometimes each have a way or more that I don't like, yet I still love the person they are, despite their sins.  I know it seems unlikely plausible.  It's not so hard to do, but at times, I know it can be.  I guess you are the same way as me.

Some "macho" guys will simply not try this approach and come down hard on other males or females.  They don't realize that it just hurts themselves also, in the long run and is not the way we're taught by Jesus.  Jesus must have been touched in His heart by the adulteress and forgave her, telling to go and sin no more.  He accomplished a lot for her and all of us by revealing such actions and words.  It gives us all a heads up on how we should respond to sinners.

Jesus gets all of His ways from His Father, our God.  So with the both of them loving us regardless of the sinning is quite an admirable, yet unexpected, action.  I long to be with God ASAP so that I can ask even more questions about everything.  And just to love Him and Jesus, His Son.  I must have TONS of patience.  It is like a monkey on my back.  Do I explain this okay?

Yes, the world will not be as white, soon, if the sins & evil are not beaten out of the nations.  God wants to give Jesus an Earth that is in great shape and it will be a wonderful present.  See Rev. 19:7KJV.  BR, the righteous, clean Earth and it's people will BE the bride offered to the Lamb.  You don't have to believe me now, but go and read it again.

O well, I should get going from here now and go on Twitter for awhile.  It's 3 a.m. here already and it will be 4 a.m. or so before I get to go to bed.  Will chat again soon and I hope that all is very well with you and yours today.  You take good care and enjoy the week.

God's Very Best, Full Of His And Jesus' Love & Understanding,

MichaelC


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Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2021, 08:54:00 pm »
Dear Blade {& Chaplain Mark},

I want to jot a note to you both to clarify that you should love each other as you love yourselves, for Jesus taught us to do that.  This does not mean that you should love their sins and take them to be your own, also.  Jesus did not tell Paul that He was going to kill some Christians, too, like he {Paul} had done, just because He forgave him.

Homosexuals should be forgiven; thieves, and adulterers, yes, but don't become totally like them just because you should love them.  Do you know what I mean here??  Anal intercourse is not the answer here whatsoever, and I would be inclined to stay away from oral intercourse, too.  One might lead to another.

I love man very much, but not having sex with them.  I put myself in their shoes, and can know what they are going through.  Some men like to dress up like women, too, but that doesn't mean that I have to do it.  Too many of us need love and that's okay.  God is there for us to learn about love and how we should treat others fairly.

It's so easy to make such a mistake.  We men can have love towards each other without being derided about it by some others.  It is a travesty for other men to have to hide their feelings of love for each other just because they are looked down upon or it might be thought that they are gay.  I'm not talking about sex, so don't get mixed up on me.

Often, it is what is unsaid that causes the problems.  I'm trying to find the best words to explain this.  I hope that you can understand all of this without misunderstanding me.  Well, this is short for tonight, but it really hit home tonight that I should be more explicit.  It is now almost 1 a.m., so I should hit the sack.  May God Bless Your Journeys To Him During Your Lives,

MichaelC

Michael, the Lord wants us to love the person not the sin as you say, yet if we do not tell it like it is, is that really loving them. Not telling the truth about faces them is not loving them....Not telling them what the judgement will be is not loving them.

Jesus tells us in no uncertain terms what awaits the LGPTQ????? person unless the repent and turn toward HIM in both testaments. It is not judging them that is the problem. It is seeing the sin for what it is and not telling them the truth.

Blade



Dear Blade,

It is really good to hear from you so soon!  It will help me in trying to explain it to others on Twitter.  I do favor your reply here and agree with you.  We should identify which areas of being gay are sins and, perhaps, help them find a way to overcome them.  BR, of course I plan to fill the Internet with disdains towards what actions to cease from if they are having anal or oral sex with other men or women.  I believe that the oral sex is less volatile than anything else.  I want to let them know that such sex is not necessary in order to show them that you love them tons as an excellent friend.

In this way, I can also warn them why they should put wrong actions away from them and just instead live in love, which is so good for the heart, mind and soul.  Of course, telling other LGBTQ persons will help them with their lives and the world as a whole.

Love is tricky sometimes.  I would also tell them to refrain from wearing a dress if you are serious about it and get rid of the prissy sound of their voices which some gay men have.  It is very unpleasant listening to it, to say the least.

Some people have very big hearts and I am one of them.  I love just about everybody, but sometimes each have a way or more that I don't like, yet I still love the person they are, despite their sins.  I know it seems unlikely plausible.  It's not so hard to do, but at times, I know it can be.  I guess you are the same way as me.

Some "macho" guys will simply not try this approach and come down hard on other males or females.  They don't realize that it just hurts themselves also, in the long run and is not the way we're taught by Jesus.  Jesus must have been touched in His heart by the adulteress and forgave her, telling to go and sin no more.  He accomplished a lot for her and all of us by revealing such actions and words.  It gives us all a heads up on how we should respond to sinners.

Jesus gets all of His ways from His Father, our God.  So with the both of them loving us regardless of the sinning is quite an admirable, yet unexpected, action.  I long to be with God ASAP so that I can ask even more questions about everything.  And just to love Him and Jesus, His Son.  I must have TONS of patience.  It is like a monkey on my back.  Do I explain this okay?

Yes, the world will not be as white, soon, if the sins & evil are not beaten out of the nations.  God wants to give Jesus an Earth that is in great shape and it will be a wonderful present.  See Rev. 19:7KJV.  BR, the righteous, clean Earth and it's people will BE the bride offered to the Lamb.  You don't have to believe me now, but go and read it again.

O well, I should get going from here now and go on Twitter for awhile.  It's 3 a.m. here already and it will be 4 a.m. or so before I get to go to bed.  Will chat again soon and I hope that all is very well with you and yours today.  You take good care and enjoy the week.

God's Very Best, Full Of His And Jesus' Love & Understanding,

MichaelC


sounds like you got a plan Michael.....thank you.

Blade
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Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2021, 11:24:23 am »

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/july-august/conversion-therapy-bans-ex-gay-global-lgbt-laws.html








‘Pray Away the Gay’ Has Gone Away. Why Are Governments Trying to Stop It?







Nations around the globe are pushing bans on conversion therapy, some without defining what it is.


When the Evangelical Alliance of the United Kingdom wrote Prime Minister Boris Johnson about the country’s push to ban conversion therapy, its first request was that lawmakers define the term.

Conversion therapy has become a vague catchall that can refer to abusive and even violent efforts to change someone’s sexual orientation but also can be construed to mean any religious act that doesn’t affirm LGBT identities. In addition to proposals in the UK and Canada, bans have been enacted in Malta, Germany, Spain, Ecuador, Brazil, Taiwan, Australia, and 20 US states—some carefully defining conversion therapy, some not.

The term often evokes the most extreme attempts to eliminate unwanted same-sex attraction: shock therapy, exorcisms, forced heterosexual marriages, and even rape. More commonly, conversion therapy ministries have promised that people could overcome their desires through prayer, discipleship, and counseling.

In the past decade, however, even that kind of conversion therapy has mostly disappeared. Exodus International, evangelicalism’s flagship ex-gay ministry, shut down in 2013 after former leader Alan Chambers said it had caused pain and harm to too many people and that more than 99 percent of those who’d sought help there hadn’t actually experienced an orientation change. No major organization has emerged to take its place, and conversion therapy has fallen out of practice.

Psychologist Mark Yarhouse, director of Wheaton College’s Sexual and Gender Identity Institute, said that while some smaller organizations persist in prayer ministries aimed at changing people’s sexual orientation, he’s not aware of any major groups, mainstream evangelical ministries, or professional Christian counselors who practice any version of conversion therapy.

And yet, as the practice itself has all but disappeared, public campaigns to ban it are growing around the world. Some Christians worry that new regulations with poor definitions will take aim at what the UK Evangelical Alliance calls “everyday aspects” of church life.

A new law in Victoria, Australia, for example, will ban “religious practices, including but not limited to a prayer-based practice” aimed at “changing or suppressing the sexual orientation.” The government also says conversion therapy is illegal “with or without the person’s consent.” It is not yet clear how the law, which goes into effect in February 2022, will be applied, but it could criminalize praying for people who ask for prayer.

Australian pastor and writer Stephen McAlpine says the law is intended to challenge Christian teachings on sexuality.

“They’re looking for churches to self-censor,” he said. “It’s not like there’s churches doing lots of conversion therapy. It’s prayer groups where someone comes to you and says, ‘I’ve got unwanted same-sex desires. Could you pray for me?’ ”

McAlpine worries that Victoria’s new law will prompt pastors to say no. “Churches are going to actually pastor people less,” he said.

While ministries including Exodus International and Focus on the Family used to preach that homosexual desire should be eliminated, most evangelical churches, pastors, and mental health professionals today emphasize chastity amid desires that might last a lifetime. “Conversion” is no longer the goal—faithfulness is.

“There’s a greater proportion [of Christians] today that see it as more of an enduring reality,” Yarhouse said. “The person may experience same-sex sexuality, but now it’s, ‘How do I live with it?’ ”

Even the Nashville Statement, a 14-point manifesto by the complementarian Council of Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, maintains that homosexual desire may never change. “We affirm that people who experience sexual attraction for the same sex may live a rich and fruitful life pleasing to God through faith in Jesus Christ, as they, like all Christians, walk in purity of life,” it reads.

Licensed counselor Jen Simmons says she has counseled clients and walked alongside friends who are same-sex attracted but have chosen celibacy or to marry someone of the opposite sex. She doesn’t try to change their orientation, but helps them develop skills to cope with unwanted same-sex attraction.

Simmons says therapy that promises to change a person’s sexual orientation is unethical, harmful, and simply impossible.

“Just like if someone has a genetic and biological propensity to anxiety, and they came in saying, ‘I want you to make my anxiety go away,’ ” she said. “I could never promise that.”

Still, Simmons is concerned about conversion therapy bans, since some of them, such as Australia’s, could target her work and prohibit “even just introducing a biblical ethic or talking about the biblical view of marriage,” she said.

Jayne Ozanne, founder of the Ozanne Foundation and the Global Interfaith Commission on LGBTQ+ Lives, which advocates for a national conversion therapy ban in the UK, said such a law is necessary to curb self-harm and suicide among those who identify as LGBT. A 2019 government survey found that only 2 percent of LGBT people in the UK had undergone conversion therapy, but she believes it still happens widely.

Ozanne, a lesbian evangelical, says she was repeatedly told while growing up in church that God would change her orientation if she prayed hard enough. When it didn’t happen, she not only felt shamed, but it shook her faith.

She pushes back on concerns that conversion therapy bans would muzzle therapists, but she has confirmed some evangelicals’ fears: She believes the bans need to focus on what’s going on inside churches. She says that prayer ministry teams “aren’t as regulated as we’d like to think they are” and untrained professionals, like pastors or lay ministers, shouldn’t be talking to people about things like sexual orientation. Ozanne hopes the conversion therapy ban in Victoria, Australia, will be used as a model in the rest of the world.





In the US, where there are lots of protections for speech, federal courts have struck down bans in two Florida cities on First Amendment grounds. The bans that have withstood challenges have been more narrowly focused: In Virginia and other jurisdictions, the therapy is banned only for minors.

Most bans in the US also explicitly exempt churches and pastors, though they can still threaten Christian professionals, according to Matt Sharp, an attorney with Alliance Defending Freedom.

At the same time, licenced counselors are rarely trying to change orientation. Simmons said that when issues of sexuality come up, she is more likely to appeal to the science of trauma and attachment than she is to cite Scripture.

“We can rely on what’s true,” she said. “We can rely on a lot that’s being discovered in science...all truth is God’s truth.”

Maria Baer is a contributing writer for CT and is based in Columbus, Ohio.
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