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WILL THE BODY OF CHRIST COME BACK WITH CHRIST AT HIS COMING?
« on: October 13, 2019, 04:30:02 pm »
There are two comings. One for the body of Christ before the tribulation and one for Israel at the end of the tribulation.

 Christ will come, I believe, before the tribulation for the body, the dead in Christ will rise first then we which are alive.

 After the tribulation Christ will come to take the believing remnant of Israel into the kingdom on earth (Luke 12:32).

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 The saints, the body of Christ, will be with Christ forever in the heavenly places. The body of Christ must appear before the judgment seat of Christ for rewards. Here is a verse about the judgment seat, in which the saints (believers) will be with Christ:

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

 Now, the body of Christ, I believe, will NOT come back with Jesus at his coming for Israel and the establishment of his kingdom.

 Look at Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

 Now look at Deuteronomy 33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

 Now look at Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

 Deuteronomy is speaking of the saints as being the angels who were mediators of the law.....saints are angels as well as believers. Also the body of Christ had not yet been formed when Deuteronomy was written; the body was not revealed before Paul (Ephesians 3:5).

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 Matthew clearly states the angels will come with Christ to establish the earthly kingdom for believing Israel.

 One last point, Jude could not have prophesised anything about the body of Christ because it was hid in God and only revealed first to Paul (Ephesians 3:9).

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There are two comings. One for the body of Christ before the tribulation and one for Israel at the end of the tribulation.

 Christ will come, I believe, before the tribulation for the body, the dead in Christ will rise first then we which are alive.

 After the tribulation Christ will come to take the believing remnant of Israel into the kingdom on earth (Luke 12:32).

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 The saints, the body of Christ, will be with Christ forever in the heavenly places. The body of Christ must appear before the judgment seat of Christ for rewards. Here is a verse about the judgment seat, in which the saints (believers) will be with Christ:

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

 Now, the body of Christ, I believe, will NOT come back with Jesus at his coming for Israel and the establishment of his kingdom.

 Look at Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

 Now look at Deuteronomy 33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

 Now look at Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

 Deuteronomy is speaking of the saints as being the angels who were mediators of the law.....saints are angels as well as believers. Also the body of Christ had not yet been formed when Deuteronomy was written; the body was not revealed before Paul (Ephesians 3:5).

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 Matthew clearly states the angels will come with Christ to establish the earthly kingdom for believing Israel.

 One last point, Jude could not have prophesised anything about the body of Christ because it was hid in God and only revealed first to Paul (Ephesians 3:9).

We, the CHurch (body of Christ)willl be with HIM when at Armageddon. Rev. 19:14

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Revelation 19:14 and the armies of heaven may also be referring to angels.

Revelation 19:7 The wife is believing Israel. The saints are clothed in fine linen.

Revelation 15:6 Angels are also clothed with linen.

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Revelation 19:14 and the armies of heaven may also be referring to angels.

Revelation 19:7 The wife is believing Israel. The saints are clothed in fine linen.

Revelation 15:6 Angels are also clothed with linen.



Rev 19:8.."And to her (the bride/church) was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."


Rev 1914.."And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."

Angels are separated from the Saints all through Revelation....Here the Saints are clothed in fine white and clean linen....

An other thought is that Jesus does not need an Army of angels to do battle for Him.  The Army of Saints (non-combatants) would show the earth that it is HIM (jesus) to takes down the Army of the earth dwellers.
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Many good scholars are also in agreement with the  Bride coming back with HIM.

You said:"Revelation 19:7 The wife is believing Israel. The saints are clothed in fine linen.

Here you have gone off the deep end. The Wife (Israel) is not yet freed from their safety in Petra.....Only after the Armageddon armies are destroyed by the WORD of Jesus. The Wife (Israel) is not in heaven. In fact, they are relegated to the Earth after they receive the New Covenant.
(another story)

Do not put Israel and the Saints into the Chruch..lThey are serparate.

There are Jews within the Church but they are simply the saints now.

Blade
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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Interesting topic
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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