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JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
« on: September 24, 2019, 07:59:14 am »
John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

 This was spoken to the disciples; there is nothing in this verse that could substantiate applying this to the church, the body of Christ today.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 The time frame of this is the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God consists of a heavenly and earthly component (1 Chronicles 29:11). The earthly kingdom is in view here based on Matthew 16:19 saying it is on earth. During the earthly kingdom Peter will be given power to remit sins just as the other disciples.
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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2019, 10:37:56 pm »
Quote from: doug on September 24, 2019, 07:59:14 am
John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

 This was spoken to the disciples; there is nothing in this verse that could substantiate applying this to the church, the body of Christ today.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 The time frame of this is the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God consists of a heavenly and earthly component (1 Chronicles 29:11). The earthly kingdom is in view here based on Matthew 16:19 saying it is on earth. During the earthly kingdom Peter will be given power to remit sins just as the other disciples.

There has been NO earthly Kingdom, YET!

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2019, 02:07:59 pm »
The earthly kingdom will be established in the future; after the tribulation period Christ will come and establish his kingdom on earth.
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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2019, 07:36:24 am »
Quote from: doug on September 24, 2019, 07:59:14 am
John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

 This was spoken to the disciples; there is nothing in this verse that could substantiate applying this to the church, the body of Christ today.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 The time frame of this is the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God consists of a heavenly and earthly component (1 Chronicles 29:11). The earthly kingdom is in view here based on Matthew 16:19 saying it is on earth. During the earthly kingdom Peter will be given power to remit sins just as the other disciples.
The passage below was written to any man
1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2019, 08:18:57 am »
It is my understanding that 1 John is written to Israel who in the future will be enduring in the tribulation.
The sin unto death could well be taking the mark of the beast.
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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2019, 07:37:10 pm »
Quote from: doug on November 21, 2019, 08:18:57 am
It is my understanding that 1 John is written to Israel who in the future will be enduring in the tribulation.
The sin unto death could well be taking the mark of the beast.

John 20:20-23 was Jesus speaking to his disciples about receiving the Holy Spirit. and giving them the ability to forgive sins and to call those who are sinning OUT.

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2020, 08:16:38 am »
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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
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Re: JOHN 20:23 IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH TODAY
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