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IS THE NEW TESTAMENT THE SAME AS THE NEW COVENANT?
« on: April 15, 2020, 08:59:15 am »
Can it be said that the new testament is just another way to say the new covenant?

Is this not just another error in translation?

In regard to God, a covenant is a stated obligation from God to perform a promise; this can be seen in God's promise not to flood the earth again in Genesis 9:9-11.

The new covenant is made only with the houses of Israel. The new covenant is yet future. The new covenant will bring Israel into the promised land, forgive their iniquity, and enable Israel to walk in the law (Jeremiah 31:31-34 Ezekiel 36:24-28 Deuteronomy 30:5-8).

A covenant is an agreement between two parties, as pertaining to men, as seen in Genesis 21:32.

Israel and God made a covenant, in which Israel would keep all the words of the law, as seen in Exodus 19:5-8.

The blood of the covenant in Exodus 24:8 was the provision to reconcile the transgressions Israel committed in breaking the law under the first covenant (Hebrews 9:7). The blood of the covenant is the sacrificial blood of animals of the first testament.

Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

A testament is not the same as a covenant, because a testament sets forth the stated will of the testator.

A testament is only carried out upon the death of the testator.

Hebrews 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

Is this verse wrong? Shouldn't it say, "Whereupon neither the first COVENANT was dedicated without blood."

I say no, this verse should indeed say the "first testament", and below is why.

Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Hebrews 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

The translators would correctly use the word testament, rather than covenant, in these verses. All the sacrificial blood of animals under the first testament was a shadow of the shed blood of Christ.

Christ shed his blood for the new testament as seen in Matthew 26:28.

The first testament was the provision of animal death and blood for remission of sins, for reconciliation; the new testament was the death and blood of Christ himself. The first testament, as the first covenant, was replaced with the better new testament (Hebrews 7:22 Hebrews 8:6).

Hebrews 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

The law given within the covenant, demanded the shedding of blood for remission.

Hebrews 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

The earthly patterns were purified by the blood of calves and goats under the first testament, but the heavenly things, by the blood of Christ under the new.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

In conclusion, this verse, as others, is correctly translated testament, and not covenant. Christ, by his death and shed blood for the new testament, redeemed the transgressions under the first testament sacrificial offerings.

The first testament was the will of God, that the death and shed blood of animals would be accepted by reflecting the death and shed blood of Christ. The death and shed blood of Christ for the new testament would be the propitiation, the appeasement, that would make reconciliation and provide forgiveness. The death of Christ, and his shed blood, put away sin by the sacrifice of himself (Hebrews 9:26 Hebrews 10:12), and took away the first testament (Hebrews 10:9).

In the new covenant, God will no longer remember the sin and iniquities of Israel, because they have been taken away by the sacrifice of Christ (Hebrews 10:17-18).

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I have always been of the opinion that the New Testaments were written to support and explain the New Covenant.    I am open to any discussion on this as it would be worth of a paper or a deeper understand on how it is viewed in this relationship.
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I have always been of the opinion that the New Testaments were written to support and explain the New Covenant.    I am open to any discussion on this as it would be worth of a paper or a deeper understand on how it is viewed in this relationship.
I believe that a testament is written only after someone is gone and the New Testament is both explaining the new and confirming the Old Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection and the NT begins with Acts and Paul's letters.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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I have always been of the opinion that the New Testaments were written to support and explain the New Covenant.    I am open to any discussion on this as it would be worth of a paper or a deeper understand on how it is viewed in this relationship.
I believe that a testament is written only after someone is gone and the New Testament is both explaining the new and confirming the Old Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection and the NT begins with Acts and Paul's letters.

Interesting PJ....

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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I have always been of the opinion that the New Testaments were written to support and explain the New Covenant.    I am open to any discussion on this as it would be worth of a paper or a deeper understand on how it is viewed in this relationship.

Hello Chaplain

First of all, it would have to be determined as to what do you view as written new testaments.

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I have always been of the opinion that the New Testaments were written to support and explain the New Covenant.    I am open to any discussion on this as it would be worth of a paper or a deeper understand on how it is viewed in this relationship.
I believe that a testament is written only after someone is gone and the New Testament is both explaining the new and confirming the Old Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection and the NT begins with Acts and Paul's letters.

Hey PJ
That the new testament explains the old is popular mainstream commentary.

A testament is not written after one dies, it is in force after death according to  Hebrews 9:16

"Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection"
This would be a testimony, not a testament.

The 4 gospels set forth Jesus as Messiah, Son of God and taught and prepared believing Israel about the coming earthly kingdom. They spoke of his death and resurrection to fulfill prophecy, and for the new testament to forgive Israel of their transgressions, so they could receive the Spirit to empower them in the tribulation and establish the new covenant.
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I have always been of the opinion that the New Testaments were written to support and explain the New Covenant.    I am open to any discussion on this as it would be worth of a paper or a deeper understand on how it is viewed in this relationship.
I believe that a testament is written only after someone is gone and the New Testament is both explaining the new and confirming the Old Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection and the NT begins with Acts and Paul's letters.

Hey PJ
That the new testament explains the old is popular mainstream commentary.

A testament is not written after one dies, it is in force after death according to  Hebrews 9:16

"Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection"
This would be a testimony, not a testament.

The 4 gospels set forth Jesus as Messiah, Son of God and taught and prepared believing Israel about the coming earthly kingdom. They spoke of his death and resurrection to fulfill prophecy, and for the new testament to forgive Israel of their transgressions, so they could receive the Spirit to empower them in the tribulation and establish the new covenant.

hey doug...you said:That the new testament explains the old is popular mainstream commentary."  WHY?
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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I have always been of the opinion that the New Testaments were written to support and explain the New Covenant.    I am open to any discussion on this as it would be worth of a paper or a deeper understand on how it is viewed in this relationship.
I believe that a testament is written only after someone is gone and the New Testament is both explaining the new and confirming the Old Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection and the NT begins with Acts and Paul's letters.

Hey PJ
That the new testament explains the old is popular mainstream commentary.

A testament is not written after one dies, it is in force after death according to  Hebrews 9:16

"Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection"
This would be a testimony, not a testament.

The 4 gospels set forth Jesus as Messiah, Son of God and taught and prepared believing Israel about the coming earthly kingdom. They spoke of his death and resurrection to fulfill prophecy, and for the new testament to forgive Israel of their transgressions, so they could receive the Spirit to empower them in the tribulation and establish the new covenant.
Well, I used poor wording, but the OT is quoted and cited many many times in the NT and I found the OT easier to comprehend by reading the NT starting AFTER Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and all of Jesus' words. Now, there is also very much to learn about the Old Covenant by reading all of the NT as well, I'm not discounting the gospels or Jesus' words.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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I have always been of the opinion that the New Testaments were written to support and explain the New Covenant.    I am open to any discussion on this as it would be worth of a paper or a deeper understand on how it is viewed in this relationship.
I believe that a testament is written only after someone is gone and the New Testament is both explaining the new and confirming the Old Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection and the NT begins with Acts and Paul's letters.

Hey PJ
That the new testament explains the old is popular mainstream commentary.

A testament is not written after one dies, it is in force after death according to  Hebrews 9:16

"Mark, Luke and John are a testament to Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection"
This would be a testimony, not a testament.

The 4 gospels set forth Jesus as Messiah, Son of God and taught and prepared believing Israel about the coming earthly kingdom. They spoke of his death and resurrection to fulfill prophecy, and for the new testament to forgive Israel of their transgressions, so they could receive the Spirit to empower them in the tribulation and establish the new covenant.
Well, I used poor wording, but the OT is quoted and cited many many times in the NT and I found the OT easier to comprehend by reading the NT starting AFTER Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and all of Jesus' words. Now, there is also very much to learn about the Old Covenant by reading all of the NT as well, I'm not discounting the gospels or Jesus' words.
Right Paul specifically goes back to the old testament and applies and explains it.

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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: IS THE NEW TESTAMENT THE SAME AS THE NEW COVENANT?
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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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