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ALL THINGS GATHERED TOGETHER IN CHRIST
« on: June 01, 2020, 08:16:52 am »
Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and preached the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 15:24 Matthew 4:23). The gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come (Matthew 24:14). The believing remnant of Israel will inherit the earth and reign with Christ in the kingdom on earth (Revelation 5:10).

Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. Revealed through Paul, is the body of Christ. The body of Christ, the new man, comprised of Jew and Gentile justified freely by the redemption of Christ, is to have position in the heavenly places (1 Corinthians 12:27 Ephesians 2:15 Romans 3:24 Ephesians 2:6).

It is the purpose, and wisdom of God, to gather together in one, in Christ, the remnant of Israel and the body of Christ. God will gather together heaven and earth.

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

That all of believing Israel and the body of Christ will be gathered together is part of the fellowship of the mystery.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

It is to manifest the wisdom of God to acknowledge that to Israel was preached the gospel of the kingdom by Jesus and the disciples, but Paul preached the fulness of the gospel of Christ (Romans 15:29). Through the Israel of God, the believing remnant, the earth is reconciled, and through the body of Christ the heavens are reconciled.

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Re: ALL THINGS GATHERED TOGETHER IN CHRIST
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2020, 08:19:52 pm »
Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and preached the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 15:24 Matthew 4:23). The gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come (Matthew 24:14). The believing remnant of Israel will inherit the earth and reign with Christ in the kingdom on earth (Revelation 5:10).

Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. Revealed through Paul, is the body of Christ. The body of Christ, the new man, comprised of Jew and Gentile justified freely by the redemption of Christ, is to have position in the heavenly places (1 Corinthians 12:27 Ephesians 2:15 Romans 3:24 Ephesians 2:6).

It is the purpose, and wisdom of God, to gather together in one, in Christ, the remnant of Israel and the body of Christ. God will gather together heaven and earth.

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

That all of believing Israel and the body of Christ will be gathered together is part of the fellowship of the mystery.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

It is to manifest the wisdom of God to acknowledge that to Israel was preached the gospel of the kingdom by Jesus and the disciples, but Paul preached the fulness of the gospel of Christ (Romans 15:29). Through the Israel of God, the believing remnant, the earth is reconciled, and through the body of Christ the heavens are reconciled.

Doug you got a couple things right:" The believing remnant of Israel will inherit the earth and reign with Christ in the kingdom on earth (Revelation 5:10)."   and  "The body of Christ, the new man, comprised of Jew and Gentile justified freely by the redemption of Christ, is to have position in the heavenly places (1 Corinthians 12:27 Ephesians 2:15 Romans 3:24 Ephesians 2:6)."

I agree with these whole heartedly. However, you stepped off of the bus when you placed the Remnant of Israel in with the Church...

The Remnant (all) of Israel is what is  after their purification in the Great Tribulation (Jacob's Trouble). During this 3.5 years Israel with the exception of the those that flees Judiah when the Abomination of Desolation is committed by the son of Perdition (antichrist) will die...Two thirds of Israel during the Daniel's 70th week will die and only the one-third will call out to GOD (His Name, Zec 13:9) and He will protect, feed and water them in the mountains south of Judiah. (Rev 12).  They,  after the end of Daniel's 70th week will receive the NEW COVENANT (Jer 31:33) and will enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Millennium) here on earth as you stated before.

The Church prior to Daniel's 70th week have been removed from the earth are are spoken of in Rev 1, 2 and 3. At the start of Chapter 4, John our Brother in Christ is caught up to Heaven and sees the 24 elders sitting on the 24 thrones...In Chapter 5, They are singing a new song, Rev 5:9.."... for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

The church is not spoken of again on earth or int heaven until Rev 19:7-8...Now some say this is spiritual and with their bodies like Jesus, I would say yes it is spiritual but in Rev 19:8...it reads "And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." This seems to indicate some sort of physical clothing made of fine linen.

Rem, the Church (Body of Christ) are those Jews and Gentiles who are True believers vs Professed Believers during the time period known as the "Church Age" or the "age of Grace".   These will become Kings and Priest and will help rule the earth in the Gentile countries that remain after Armageddon and the 2nd Advent of Christ.

Again, the one-third remnant will rule the earth and Israel on earth with Jesus. All Earth will return to Israel at least once per year and all those on earth will be able to eat from the tree of life. From what I understand, the Church need not eat from the tree of life as they have been translated and see Jesus as He is for they are like HIM>>>>>

I know you disagree but the Bible does not leave out anything and everything fits like a gloves when read literally... Two Plans not ONE...TWO...

Doug. Would you like to discuss it in depth.

Blade





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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: ALL THINGS GATHERED TOGETHER IN CHRIST
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2020, 08:49:15 am »
Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and preached the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 15:24 Matthew 4:23). The gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come (Matthew 24:14). The believing remnant of Israel will inherit the earth and reign with Christ in the kingdom on earth (Revelation 5:10).

Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. Revealed through Paul, is the body of Christ. The body of Christ, the new man, comprised of Jew and Gentile justified freely by the redemption of Christ, is to have position in the heavenly places (1 Corinthians 12:27 Ephesians 2:15 Romans 3:24 Ephesians 2:6).

It is the purpose, and wisdom of God, to gather together in one, in Christ, the remnant of Israel and the body of Christ. God will gather together heaven and earth.

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

That all of believing Israel and the body of Christ will be gathered together is part of the fellowship of the mystery.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

It is to manifest the wisdom of God to acknowledge that to Israel was preached the gospel of the kingdom by Jesus and the disciples, but Paul preached the fulness of the gospel of Christ (Romans 15:29). Through the Israel of God, the believing remnant, the earth is reconciled, and through the body of Christ the heavens are reconciled.

Doug you got a couple things right:" The believing remnant of Israel will inherit the earth and reign with Christ in the kingdom on earth (Revelation 5:10)."   and  "The body of Christ, the new man, comprised of Jew and Gentile justified freely by the redemption of Christ, is to have position in the heavenly places (1 Corinthians 12:27 Ephesians 2:15 Romans 3:24 Ephesians 2:6)."

I agree with these whole heartedly. However, you stepped off of the bus when you placed the Remnant of Israel in with the Church...

The Remnant (all) of Israel is what is  after their purification in the Great Tribulation (Jacob's Trouble). During this 3.5 years Israel with the exception of the those that flees Judiah when the Abomination of Desolation is committed by the son of Perdition (antichrist) will die...Two thirds of Israel during the Daniel's 70th week will die and only the one-third will call out to GOD (His Name, Zec 13:9) and He will protect, feed and water them in the mountains south of Judiah. (Rev 12).  They,  after the end of Daniel's 70th week will receive the NEW COVENANT (Jer 31:33) and will enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Millennium) here on earth as you stated before.

The Church prior to Daniel's 70th week have been removed from the earth are are spoken of in Rev 1, 2 and 3. At the start of Chapter 4, John our Brother in Christ is caught up to Heaven and sees the 24 elders sitting on the 24 thrones...In Chapter 5, They are singing a new song, Rev 5:9.."... for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

The church is not spoken of again on earth or int heaven until Rev 19:7-8...Now some say this is spiritual and with their bodies like Jesus, I would say yes it is spiritual but in Rev 19:8...it reads "And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." This seems to indicate some sort of physical clothing made of fine linen.

Rem, the Church (Body of Christ) are those Jews and Gentiles who are True believers vs Professed Believers during the time period known as the "Church Age" or the "age of Grace".   These will become Kings and Priest and will help rule the earth in the Gentile countries that remain after Armageddon and the 2nd Advent of Christ.

Again, the one-third remnant will rule the earth and Israel on earth with Jesus. All Earth will return to Israel at least once per year and all those on earth will be able to eat from the tree of life. From what I understand, the Church need not eat from the tree of life as they have been translated and see Jesus as He is for they are like HIM>>>>>

I know you disagree but the Bible does not leave out anything and everything fits like a gloves when read literally... Two Plans not ONE...TWO...

Doug. Would you like to discuss it in depth.

Blade





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Hey Blade
All I will say is that the remnant of Israel will inherit the kingdom on earth.....
The body of Christ the heavenly places.
Israel are the kings and priests not the body.
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Re: ALL THINGS GATHERED TOGETHER IN CHRIST
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2020, 03:16:04 pm »
Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and preached the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 15:24 Matthew 4:23). The gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come (Matthew 24:14). The believing remnant of Israel will inherit the earth and reign with Christ in the kingdom on earth (Revelation 5:10).

Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. Revealed through Paul, is the body of Christ. The body of Christ, the new man, comprised of Jew and Gentile justified freely by the redemption of Christ, is to have position in the heavenly places (1 Corinthians 12:27 Ephesians 2:15 Romans 3:24 Ephesians 2:6).

It is the purpose, and wisdom of God, to gather together in one, in Christ, the remnant of Israel and the body of Christ. God will gather together heaven and earth.

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

That all of believing Israel and the body of Christ will be gathered together is part of the fellowship of the mystery.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

It is to manifest the wisdom of God to acknowledge that to Israel was preached the gospel of the kingdom by Jesus and the disciples, but Paul preached the fulness of the gospel of Christ (Romans 15:29). Through the Israel of God, the believing remnant, the earth is reconciled, and through the body of Christ the heavens are reconciled.

Doug you got a couple things right:" The believing remnant of Israel will inherit the earth and reign with Christ in the kingdom on earth (Revelation 5:10)."   and  "The body of Christ, the new man, comprised of Jew and Gentile justified freely by the redemption of Christ, is to have position in the heavenly places (1 Corinthians 12:27 Ephesians 2:15 Romans 3:24 Ephesians 2:6)."

I agree with these whole heartedly. However, you stepped off of the bus when you placed the Remnant of Israel in with the Church...

The Remnant (all) of Israel is what is  after their purification in the Great Tribulation (Jacob's Trouble). During this 3.5 years Israel with the exception of the those that flees Judiah when the Abomination of Desolation is committed by the son of Perdition (antichrist) will die...Two thirds of Israel during the Daniel's 70th week will die and only the one-third will call out to GOD (His Name, Zec 13:9) and He will protect, feed and water them in the mountains south of Judiah. (Rev 12).  They,  after the end of Daniel's 70th week will receive the NEW COVENANT (Jer 31:33) and will enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Millennium) here on earth as you stated before.

The Church prior to Daniel's 70th week have been removed from the earth are are spoken of in Rev 1, 2 and 3. At the start of Chapter 4, John our Brother in Christ is caught up to Heaven and sees the 24 elders sitting on the 24 thrones...In Chapter 5, They are singing a new song, Rev 5:9.."... for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

The church is not spoken of again on earth or int heaven until Rev 19:7-8...Now some say this is spiritual and with their bodies like Jesus, I would say yes it is spiritual but in Rev 19:8...it reads "And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." This seems to indicate some sort of physical clothing made of fine linen.

Rem, the Church (Body of Christ) are those Jews and Gentiles who are True believers vs Professed Believers during the time period known as the "Church Age" or the "age of Grace".   These will become Kings and Priest and will help rule the earth in the Gentile countries that remain after Armageddon and the 2nd Advent of Christ.

Again, the one-third remnant will rule the earth and Israel on earth with Jesus. All Earth will return to Israel at least once per year and all those on earth will be able to eat from the tree of life. From what I understand, the Church need not eat from the tree of life as they have been translated and see Jesus as He is for they are like HIM>>>>>

I know you disagree but the Bible does not leave out anything and everything fits like a gloves when read literally... Two Plans not ONE...TWO...

Doug. Would you like to discuss it in depth.

Blade





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Hey Blade
All I will say is that the remnant of Israel will inherit the kingdom on earth.....
The body of Christ the heavenly places.
Israel are the kings and priests not the body.

So you agree that Israel will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven (on Earth)?Yes

So you agree the Church is in Heaven during Daniel's 70th week?

So you DON"T agree that the Church (JEWs and Gentiles) are Kings and Priest.  but rather--

You are saying Israel are the kings and priest. on all earth not just Israel.

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: ALL THINGS GATHERED TOGETHER IN CHRIST
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2020, 04:47:56 pm »
Hey Blade

So you agree that Israel will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven (on Earth)?Yes
Right

So you agree the Church is in Heaven during Daniel's 70th week?
Right

So you DON"T agree that the Church (JEWs and Gentiles) are Kings and Priest.  but rather--

You are saying Israel are the kings and priest. on all earth not just Israel.

Yes, the believing remnant of Israel, the little flock, the Israel of God will reign on the earth according to Revelation 5:10
God has given believing Israel the earth according to Deuteronomy 4:40
See Exodus 19:5-6 Isaiah 61:6

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Re: ALL THINGS GATHERED TOGETHER IN CHRIST
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2020, 08:01:57 pm »
Hey Blade

So you agree that Israel will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven (on Earth)?Yes
Right

So you agree the Church is in Heaven during Daniel's 70th week?
Right

So you DON"T agree that the Church (JEWs and Gentiles) are Kings and Priest.  but rather--

You are saying Israel are the kings and priest. on all earth not just Israel.

Yes, the believing remnant of Israel, the little flock, the Israel of God will reign on the earth according to Revelation 5:10
God has given believing Israel the earth according to Deuteronomy 4:40
See Exodus 19:5-6 Isaiah 61:6


OK, the remnant of Israel are not in Heaven at any time. This is what Rev 5:10 alludes to..look to  Rev 5:9 and you will see it is the Church who have been redeemed....

The remnant of Israel to my knowledge are never redeemed to Heaven except the 144,000 who are part of the first fruits as the church is.

Notice in Rev 5:8 the elders are carrying golden harps....Only they (representatives of the Church)have these Harps..

Notice in Deu. 4:40.." and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth"    Not in Heaven......Rev. 4- 5 setting is the throne room of GOD in Heaven

The Remnant will flee the Abomination of Desolate. They will actually see through (CNN or FOX, etc.) the antichrist claim in the Holy of Hollies that He is GOD.......

Notice in Mat 24:15-20 that Jesus tells the Jews who are in Judaea. (Judaea is the area where the southern tribes were given back under Joshua). We see this in Rev 12:6 - 17.....


Up to this time, Satan and His fallen angels have had access to heaven...Here in Rev. 12, probably immediately after the Abomination of Desolate, Michael the Arc Angel and His army will throw Satan and his angels out of heaven.

We see the woman in the stars (within the last two years, the woman in the stars was seen.) the child taken to heaven is likely Jesus and the church since he considers His Church is His body.

In Exodus 19:5-6....v6..."And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."  Notice here, they are priest but only in Israel (the Holy Nation).

In Isaiah 61:6.."But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves."   Here again we are talking about Priest..... They will eat the riches of gentiles as all Gentiles Nations will bow to Israel.....Jesus will sit on David's (his Father's ) throne Near Jerusalem. By the way, the tribulation saints (those redeemed to heaven) that were martyred in His name will serve Him in the temple day and Night. Notice these saints are carrying Palms.

I try to cut this off...There are many many ways we can go here if you would like to,..,.,It all fits like a glove without having to remove, delete, change of add anything to scriptures.

Rev is literal and chronological.

Blade






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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: ALL THINGS GATHERED TOGETHER IN CHRIST
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2020, 01:04:24 pm »
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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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