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guest24 · « **on:** May 06, 2021, 08:15:11 am »

God is eternal...Psalms 90:1-2; Psalms 93:2; Exodus 15:18; I Timothy 1:17

God is spirit...John 4:24; Galatians 5:25

God is bigger than our minds can fathom...Job 36:26; Isaiah 40:18-26; Romans 11:33-34; Exodus    15:11; Psalms 104:1-4

God is Sovereign...Isaiah 46:10; Psalms 135:6; I Timothy 6:15-16; Daniel 4:35

God takes pleasure in His people, their obedience, their sacrificial Love...Hebrews 13:16; II    Corinthians 2:15; Exodus 29:18; Philippians 4:18

God is majestic, has glory...Exodus 15:6; Exodus 15:7; Exodus 15:11; Job 37:22; Psalms 8:1 and 9;    Jude 1:25; Isaiah 26:10

God is everywhere...Jeremiah 23:23-24; II Chronicles 2:6; Psalms 139:7-16; Acts 17:27-28

God knows everything...I Kings 8:39; Psalms 139:1-6; Proverbs 3:19-20; I John 3:20

God is all powerful...Deuteronomy 32:39; Jeremiah 32:17; Matthew 19:26; I Samuel 2:6-7; Psalms    18:13-15; Jude 1:25; I Corinthians 4:20; I Corinthians 2:4

God is a constant, unchanging...Hebrews 13:8; James 1:17; Psalms 102:27; Psalms 33:11; Psalms    145:13; Hebrews 1:8-12

God is creative...Nehemiah 9:5-6; Jeremiah 51:15; Colossians 1:16

God in the beginning and the end...Revelations 1:8; Exodus 3:14; Isaiah 41:4; Isaiah 44:6; Revelations    21:6; Revelations 22:13

Christ is the embodiment of God...Colossians 1:15-19; John 1:1; John 1:18; II Corinthians 4:4

God is invisible...Exodus 33:20-23; Colossians 1:15; Romans 1:20; I Timothy 1:17; Hebrews 11:27

God is divine, full of glory...Romans 1:20; Psalms 97:6; Psalms 19:1; Psalms 8:1; Psalms 72:19;    Ezekiel 43:2; Ezekiel 44:4

God is immortal...I Timothy 1:17; I Timothy 6:16

God is only one...Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 45:21-22; I Timothy 2:5; I Corinthians 8:6

God has all authority...Jude 1:25; Romans 13:1-7; Daniel 2:21; Daniel 4:17; John 19:11; Romans 13:2

God is holy...Isaiah 6:3; Revelations 4:8; Exodus 15:11; Psalms 99:3; Psalms 77:13; Isaiah 57:15;    Revelations 4:8

God is wisdom...Isaiah 28:29; Jeremiah 10:12; I Corinthians 1:30; Colossians 2:2-3; Romans 11:33

God is truth...Numbers 23:19; Isaiah 45:19; John 14:6

God is faithful...Psalms 89:2-5; Romans 8:38-39; Deuteronomy 7:9; Psalms 100:5; Psalms 89:2    Romans 8:38-39; I Thessalonians 5:24; Exodus 34:6-7

God is Love...Psalms 33:5, 18, and 22; Exodus 15:13; Psalms 13:5-6; Ephesians 3:17-19; I John 4:8;    Nehemiah 9:17

God is good...II Chronicles 7:3; Genesis 1:31; Psalms 119:68; Psalms 145:9

God is merciful...II Samuel 24:14; Nehemiah 9:31; Daniel 9:9; Luke 1:50-54

God is kind...II Samuel 22:51; Isaiah 54:8; Jeremiah 9:24; I Timothy 1:16

God is patient...I Timothy 1:16; Romans 3:25; II Peter 3:15; Romans 9:22

God is just...Deuteronomy 32:4; Job 37:23; Psalms 99:4; Luke 18:7-8; Jeremiah 9:24; Psalms 89:14;    Psalms 50:6

God is righteous...Isaiah 51:6; Psalms 89:14; Jeremiah 23:5-6; I Corinthians 1:30; Jeremiah 9:24;    Psalms 50:6

God exercises vengeance...Nahum 9:17; Romans 12:19; Romans 32:35; Psalms 94:1; Psalms 20:22

God exercises wrath...Psalms 7:11; Deuteronomy 29:28; Isaiah 13:13; Romans 1:18; Romans 5:9; Romans 9:22

God is jealous...Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 4:24; Nahum 1:2; Zechariah 8:2; II Corinthians 11:2

God is forgiving...Nehemiah 9:17; Psalms 103:12; Hebrews 9:26; Psalms 32:5; Isaiah 38:17; Isaiah    43:25

God is compassionate...Nehemiah 9:17; Exodus 34:6-7

God is slow to anger...Nehemiah 9:17; Exodus 34:6-7

God is grace...Nehemiah 9:17; Exodus 34:6-7; II Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5-7

God is peace...I Corinthians 14:33; Romans 14:17; Romans 15:33; I Thessalonians 5:23

patrick jane · « **Reply #1 on:** May 06, 2021, 10:38:06 am »

Awesome compilation Lori, thank you.

guest58 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 06, 2021, 11:17:08 am »

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on May 06, 2021, 08:15:11 am

God knows everything...I Kings 8:39; Psalms 139:1-6; Proverbs 3:19-20; I John 3:20

I'm sorry Lori but I do not think these verses actually say HE knows everything...

1 Kings 8:39...then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive and act; deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you alone know every human heart), [/color]only says He knows our hearts, our 3824. lebab, Strong'sConcordance: lebab: inner man, mind, will, heart, with cannot be counted as everything. This theme is repeated in Ps 139:1-6 butagain only includes mankind’s desires and choices etc, not everything.Proverbs 3:19 The LORD by wisdom founded the earth, By understanding He established the heavens. Neither wisdom nor understanding convey the meaning of omniscience although they go together but this refers to the physical creation indicating that HE knows and understands how all of creation works because He established it. It might infer that if HE did not establish something HE might not know it.

Even the everything of 1 John 3:20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. is: 3956 pás ("each, every") which means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies."
3956. pas - Strong's Concordance: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.

Why is this important? The Church Fathers accepted the pagan Greek definition of omniscience: GOD knows all that can be known from eternity past to eternity future. If it is wrong, they accepted it because they idolized Greek thinking and man’s understanding, not the Spirit. IF it is right, it means that GOD knew before their creation who would end in hell, but created them anyway!Is that loving? Is it kind (Love is kind.) Is it even righteous to create for a purpose those you already know they CAN, WILL, never be able to fulfill? What was HIS purpose for them then anyway - to suffer, die and be damned?It is written at least twice that HE does not want, desire, people to die and be damned but to repent so if HE could keep hell empty would HE not do that, ie, not create those whom HE knew would be damned?These are my questions about the current definition of HIS being all knowing which I suggest is seriously flawed, blasphemous against HIS goodness and needs to be re-thought since we know HE did create some who will be damned whatever form that takes.My reconciliation (at this time) suggests that HE knows everything about what HE creates. If HE did not create something, it is not part of the everything HE Knows. For example, if when HE created people in HIS image with a free will HE did not create the results of their free will decisions, but let them choose to create them by their own choice, then HE would not know before HE created them what they might choose by their free will since HE would not know those results until they created them themselves.Going back to 1 Kings 8:39 and Psalm 139:5 that reference mankind conceived as sinners that HE knows all our minds, wills and thoughts, I suggest that is because we are fallen and under the influence of evil WITHOUT A FREE WILL anymore and so are as predictable as a pinball game to HIM...your mileage may vary of course.

guest24 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 06, 2021, 11:47:14 am »

Quote from: Ted T. on May 06, 2021, 11:17:08 am

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on May 06, 2021, 08:15:11 am

God knows everything...I Kings 8:39; Psalms 139:1-6; Proverbs 3:19-20; I John 3:20

I'm sorry Lori but I do not think these verses actually say HE knows everything...

1 Kings 8:39...then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive and act; deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you alone know every human heart), [/color]only says He knows our hearts, our 3824. lebab, Strong'sConcordance: lebab: inner man, mind, will, heart, with cannot be counted as everything. This theme is repeated in Ps 139:1-6 butagain only includes mankind’s desires and choices etc, not everything.Proverbs 3:19 The LORD by wisdom founded the earth, By understanding He established the heavens. Neither wisdom nor understanding convey the meaning of omniscience although they go together but this refers to the physical creation indicating that HE knows and understands how all of creation works because He established it. It might infer that if HE did not establish something HE might not know it.

Even the everything of 1 John 3:20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. is: 3956 pás ("each, every") which means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies."
3956. pas - Strong's Concordance: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.

scripture says He created everything, so what do you think He didn't create?

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Why is this important? The Church Fathers accepted the pagan Greek definition of omniscience: GOD knows all that can be known from eternity past to eternity future. If it is wrong, they accepted it because they idolized Greek thinking and man’s understanding, not the Spirit.[/color] IF it is right, it means that GOD knew before their creation who would end in hell, but created them anyway!Is that loving? Is it kind (Love is kind.

well I would challenge the idea that God is omniscient in such a way that we have no choice but that is a different discussion....

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[/color]) Is it even righteous to create for a purpose those you already know they CAN, WILL, never be able to fulfill?

again, I believe that God knows, or else scripture wouldn't say He does but within that He gives man choice and that is NOT removed simply because God knows what he will choose. I use the example of two cakes sitting on the table. My husband will choose the chocolate, not because I foresee what will happen but because I know him.

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What was HIS purpose for them then anyway - to suffer, die and be damned?

maybe to show others the way....when our eldest was young, we were getting ready to leave a family get together and our son asked why his uncle was behaving so badly....we made an excuse to which our son said, "I don't ever want to act like that." Maybe they have a purpose that God knows and you and I can't wrap our minds around.

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It is written at least twice that HE does not want, desire, people to die and be damned but to repent so if HE could keep hell empty would HE not do that, ie, not create those whom HE knew would be damned?[/color]These are my questions about the current definition of HIS being all knowing which I suggest is seriously flawed, blasphemous against HIS goodness and needs to be re-thought since we know HE did create some who will be damned whatever form that takes.My reconciliation (at this time) suggests that HE knows everything about what HE creates. If HE did not create something, it is not part of the everything HE Knows. For example, if when HE created people in HIS image with a free will HE did not create the results of their free will decisions, but let them choose to create them by their own choice, then HE would not know before HE created them what they might choose by their free will since HE would not know those results until they created them themselves.Going back to 1 Kings 8:39 and Psalm 139:5 that reference mankind conceived as sinners that HE knows all our minds, wills and thoughts, I suggest that is because we are fallen and under the influence of evil WITHOUT A FREE WILL anymore and so are as predictable as a pinball game to HIM...your mileage may vary of course.

well, I don't see any way to make scripture say that we have no will in thee matter, I call it free will but there are people who play looseand free with the definition. so maybe we need more discussion on that one too.

guest24 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 06, 2021, 12:02:25 pm »

Here is my bottom line...we cannot change scripture to fit what we want it to say nor how we can imagine things should be. Scripture says what it says whether or not we understand it or can reason it out. Thus some things are accepted by faith.

guest58 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 07, 2021, 10:58:43 am »

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on May 06, 2021, 12:02:25 pm

Here is my bottom line...we cannot change scripture to fit what we want it to say nor how we can imagine things should be. Scripture says what it says whether or not we understand it or can reason it out. Thus some things are accepted by faith.

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[/size]Agreed, we should not change scripture at all, but it has happened quite a few times under the guise of helping us to understand a difficult phrasing...such as the KJV translators falsely rendering return as turn into in Ps 9:17 The wicked will RETURN to Sheol—all the nations who forget God.
[/size][/color]King James BibleThe wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

But more commonly it is a different or even false interpretations of what the verse means that must be studied prayerfully for truth. And I find that I can now no longer accept by faith in the Church what I now see as blasphemy...

Sometimes I have an alternative to offer for consideration, sometimes I just say this dogma is wrong, it needs to be redone.[/font]

guest8 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2021, 09:46:53 pm »

I saw your post the other day and was saddened by your beliefs toward GOD.. God is most certainly omniscient , thus knowing all events, things, people long before the foundations of the earth.

Everybody is a back seat driver in the interpretations that were written happened 4500 years ago. As you know in 380 BC or there abouts, Alexander commissioned 70(2)-(some say 72) scribes to translate the OT books (in Hebrew) to Greek.

" There are only consonants in Hebrew, and no vowels. It’s what’s called a consonantal script. The meaning of a word derives from a root of three
letters, and each three letter root word can be expanded to create all manner of other words. Prefixes and suffixes can be added to those three letters, forming different parts of speech or even entirely new words; the meaning is related to those three base letters. The particular meaning of the word depends on how it’s pronounced when vowel sounds are added." (How we Got Our Bible, Kiononia House)

As you can see Hebrew is complicated... The Ancient Greek is also a lower language as well. Between these two languages, translations to English is best left to the translators of that time period...Only they (of each individual time period) know how the culture at that time interpreted each language. As in Sheol, we have the immediate use of four other meanings and perhaps dozens of meanings when attached to the root words of Sheol.

I just don't understand your post.

Blade

guest24 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2021, 09:33:04 am »

Quote from: Ted T. on May 07, 2021, 10:58:43 am

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on May 06, 2021, 12:02:25 pm

Here is my bottom line...we cannot change scripture to fit what we want it to say nor how we can imagine things should be. Scripture says what it says whether or not we understand it or can reason it out. Thus some things are accepted by faith.

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[/size]Agreed, we should not change scripture at all, but it has happened quite a few times under the guise of helping us to understand a difficult phrasing...such as the KJV translators falsely rendering return as turn into in Ps 9:17 The wicked will RETURN to Sheol—all the nations who forget God.
[/size][/color]King James BibleThe wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

But more commonly it is a different or even false interpretations of what the verse means that must be studied prayerfully for truth. And I find that I can now no longer accept by faith in the Church what I now see as blasphemy...

Sometimes I have an alternative to offer for consideration, sometimes I just say this dogma is wrong, it needs to be redone.[/font]

This is why I have decided to start my studies with the Holman Christain Standard Bible because it is more literal without being difficult to read...then I move on in my study from that start.

guest17 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2021, 07:43:14 pm »

.I'll just add that God is our Heavenly Father.

patrick jane · « **Reply #9 on:** May 15, 2021, 11:42:22 pm »

Franklin Graham reacts to Biden omitting 'God' from National Day of Prayer

Biden is the first president to omit the word God from proclamation; Reverend and Samaritan's Purse President weighs in

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patrick jane · « **Reply #10 on:** May 27, 2021, 05:33:16 pm »

Quote from: patrick jane on May 15, 2021, 11:42:22 pm

Franklin Graham reacts to Biden omitting 'God' from National Day of Prayer

Biden is the first president to omit the word God from proclamation; Reverend and Samaritan's Purse President weighs in

5 minutes

guest8 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 27, 2021, 09:19:42 pm »

Quote from: patrick jane on May 27, 2021, 05:33:16 pm

Quote from: patrick jane on May 15, 2021, 11:42:22 pm
Franklin Graham reacts to Biden omitting 'God' from National Day of Prayer

Biden is the first president to omit the word God from proclamation; Reverend and Samaritan's Purse President weighs in

5 minutes

an old saying.....He ain't wrong!

Blade

patrick jane · « **Reply #12 on:** June 17, 2021, 02:58:28 pm »

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