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What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« on: January 18, 2019, 11:44:04 am »
Colossians 1:24-29  24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I am completing in my flesh what is lacking in Christís afflictions for His body, that is, the church. 25 I have become its servant, according to Godís administration that was given to me for you, to make Godís message fully known, 26 the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to His saints. 27 God wanted to make known among the Gentiles the glorious wealth of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 We proclaim Him, warning and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone mature in Christ. 29 I labor for this, striving with His strength that works powerfully in me.



this passage fascinates me and I believe the answer to the question is in the passage  but I know many people like to argue that there was nothing lacking in Christ's afflictions...so given the passage, what was lacking?

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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2019, 12:42:15 pm »
What are your thoughts on Colossians 1 ?
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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2019, 01:12:07 pm »
 :)  I was waiting for more input but my short version is that Christ's afflictions were not complete without us...someone to benefit from them.  That being both the Church and those of us called to share the gospel with others.  This brings about a whole new understanding of man's creation in my understanding of the whole thing for there has to be a purpose for our existence if Christ would go to such lengths to save us....

another passage that fascinates me is Isaiah 53:10 10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

It pleased the Lord to bruise His son for me.

I hear all kinds of discussions about the depravity of man and we are, but we seldom see a discussion about the value of man.  As someone who spent my entire life growing up being told that I was of no value, knowing that I am of great value to God is an amazing truth that should never be overlooked.  But not just valuable, but the completion of His sacrificial gift.  The value of man is beyond compare even though we cannot do anything to earn our salvation and have hurt God in ways we still can't fathom, He bestows upon us a value that is mind boggling.
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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2019, 01:13:16 pm »
Christ needs me for His sacrifice to be of value, how incredible is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2019, 01:27:15 pm »
:)  I was waiting for more input but my short version is that Christ's afflictions were not complete without us...someone to benefit from them.  That being both the Church and those of us called to share the gospel with others.  This brings about a whole new understanding of man's creation in my understanding of the whole thing for there has to be a purpose for our existence if Christ would go to such lengths to save us....

another passage that fascinates me is Isaiah 53:10 10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

It pleased the Lord to bruise His son for me.

I hear all kinds of discussions about the depravity of man and we are, but we seldom see a discussion about the value of man.  As someone who spent my entire life growing up being told that I was of no value, knowing that I am of great value to God is an amazing truth that should never be overlooked.  But not just valuable, but the completion of His sacrificial gift.  The value of man is beyond compare even though we cannot do anything to earn our salvation and have hurt God in ways we still can't fathom, He bestows upon us a value that is mind boggling.
I agree and I've been watching a young "preacher" who starts with repentance and ends with repentance and he says Mark 9:47 is the gospel. I watch him when he does a Live Stream on YouTube usually once a day. I would like it if you listened and commented in the live comments. He really got me thinking that repenting is absolutely necessary, otherwise how can we really approach the throne. Yes, I'm a dispy and saved by grace without works is correct but we also must truly repent. We can't be "holding on" to a few of our favorite sins.

Long story short, somebody posted that God did not approve of Jesus' death but you just showed that it DID please God that His Son was bruised. Anyway, here is a link to this channel but I only watch Jon Singleton. Look for his Live Stream to pop up after you SUBSCRIBE to his YouTube channel, I'd like your thoughts.


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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2019, 01:30:39 pm »
:)  I was waiting for more input but my short version is that Christ's afflictions were not complete without us...someone to benefit from them.  That being both the Church and those of us called to share the gospel with others.  This brings about a whole new understanding of man's creation in my understanding of the whole thing for there has to be a purpose for our existence if Christ would go to such lengths to save us....

another passage that fascinates me is Isaiah 53:10 10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

It pleased the Lord to bruise His son for me.

I hear all kinds of discussions about the depravity of man and we are, but we seldom see a discussion about the value of man.  As someone who spent my entire life growing up being told that I was of no value, knowing that I am of great value to God is an amazing truth that should never be overlooked.  But not just valuable, but the completion of His sacrificial gift.  The value of man is beyond compare even though we cannot do anything to earn our salvation and have hurt God in ways we still can't fathom, He bestows upon us a value that is mind boggling.
I agree and I've been watching a young "preacher" who starts with repentance and ends with repentance and he says Mark 9:47 is the gospel. I watch him when he does a Live Stream on YouTube usually once a day. I would like it if you listened and commented in the live comments. He really got me thinking that repenting is absolutely necessary, otherwise how can we really approach the throne. Yes, I'm a dispy and saved by grace without works is correct but we also must truly repent. We can't be "holding on" to a few of our favorite sins.

Long story short, somebody posted that God did not approve of Jesus' death but you just showed that it DID please God that His Son was bruised. Anyway, here is a link to this channel but I only watch Jon Singleton. Look for his Live Stream to pop up after you SUBSCRIBE to his YouTube channel, I'd like your thoughts.


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looking forward to it but today is payday and we need some stuff before the "blizzard" hits...should be able to look at it tomorrow.  Till then, be blessed and know that you are not only loved but of great value.

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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2019, 07:40:13 pm »
Lori, as far as the value of man and mankind is the utmost to God. He loves us all and wants each one of us back. We are purchased possessions. He wants us to be with him forever. The earth and the heavens were created FOR mankind and we are the center and the focus of His love and attention. When |I imagine I think that we are the most important thing to God, our redemption and salvation. God has created everything and DONE everything with US in mind.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2019, 08:52:32 am »
:)  I was waiting for more input but my short version is that Christ's afflictions were not complete without us...someone to benefit from them.  That being both the Church and those of us called to share the gospel with others.  This brings about a whole new understanding of man's creation in my understanding of the whole thing for there has to be a purpose for our existence if Christ would go to such lengths to save us....

another passage that fascinates me is Isaiah 53:10 10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

It pleased the Lord to bruise His son for me.

I hear all kinds of discussions about the depravity of man and we are, but we seldom see a discussion about the value of man.  As someone who spent my entire life growing up being told that I was of no value, knowing that I am of great value to God is an amazing truth that should never be overlooked.  But not just valuable, but the completion of His sacrificial gift.  The value of man is beyond compare even though we cannot do anything to earn our salvation and have hurt God in ways we still can't fathom, He bestows upon us a value that is mind boggling.
I agree and I've been watching a young "preacher" who starts with repentance and ends with repentance and he says Mark 9:47 is the gospel. I watch him when he does a Live Stream on YouTube usually once a day. I would like it if you listened and commented in the live comments. He really got me thinking that repenting is absolutely necessary, otherwise how can we really approach the throne. Yes, I'm a dispy and saved by grace without works is correct but we also must truly repent. We can't be "holding on" to a few of our favorite sins.

Long story short, somebody posted that God did not approve of Jesus' death but you just showed that it DID please God that His Son was bruised. Anyway, here is a link to this channel but I only watch Jon Singleton. Look for his Live Stream to pop up after you SUBSCRIBE to his YouTube channel, I'd like your thoughts.


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I left a comment on Jon Singleton's youtube and on yours too.  Brian was standing here when I started listening to Jon and said that he was good and right on the money...thanks for sharing.

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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 12:58:21 pm »
Colossians 1:24-29  24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I am completing in my flesh what is lacking in Christís afflictions for His body, that is, the church. 25 I have become its servant, according to Godís administration that was given to me for you, to make Godís message fully known, 26 the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to His saints. 27 God wanted to make known among the Gentiles the glorious wealth of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 We proclaim Him, warning and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone mature in Christ. 29 I labor for this, striving with His strength that works powerfully in me.



this passage fascinates me and I believe the answer to the question is in the passage  but I know many people like to argue that there was nothing lacking in Christ's afflictions...so given the passage, what was lacking?
The KJV says "behind of the afflictions of Christ" not lacking. However, I have seen "lacking" before and I think it was the KJV - Did they revently change that, I wonder? With The KJV version and the "lacking" version I tend to think that Paul was talking about HIS OWN afflictions in the flesh, which he spoke of in another verse.







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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 01:16:35 pm »
seems to me....he is referring to someone to receive the free gift of salvation and share in the inheritance thereof.

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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2019, 03:08:19 pm »
seems to me....he is referring to someone to receive the free gift of salvation and share in the inheritance thereof.
I was only talking specifically about the mention of the afflictions. Sorry you have trouble understanding.
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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2019, 07:23:37 pm »
Colossians 1:24-29  24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I am completing in my flesh what is lacking in Christís afflictions for His body, that is, the church. 25 I have become its servant, according to Godís administration that was given to me for you, to make Godís message fully known, 26 the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to His saints. 27 God wanted to make known among the Gentiles the glorious wealth of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 We proclaim Him, warning and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone mature in Christ. 29 I labor for this, striving with His strength that works powerfully in me.



this passage fascinates me and I believe the answer to the question is in the passage  but I know many people like to argue that there was nothing lacking in Christ's afflictions...so given the passage, what was lacking?
The KJV says "behind of the afflictions of Christ" not lacking. However, I have seen "lacking" before and I think it was the KJV - Did they revently change that, I wonder? With The KJV version and the "lacking" version I tend to think that Paul was talking about HIS OWN afflictions in the flesh, which he spoke of in another verse.







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PJ...you said:"behind of the afflictions of Christ" and was wondering if they had changed the wording in the KJV. 

No, not the KJV...This  greek word
"hysterēma" is used 9x in 4 unique forms  in the KJV . Below is how they are distributed in the KJV.

 The KJV translates Strong's G5303 in the following manner: which is lacking (3x), want (3x), which is behind (1x), lack (1x), penury (1x).

Hope this helps. Please never doubt the KJV. It is the same as the 1611-1792 version. I might add, check you Bible for a copyright of the KJV version itself. There is none. The only copyrights are for the notes, maps, etc.  All the other versions are copyrighted as they are the product of one or more people's re-interpretation. Not God's WORD!

DO you have 1611 version. The old English is a little hard to read but it is a nice break. You can download one online to your phone. If in doubt about the words in the 1792 KJV, you can refer back to the 1611.

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Re: What was lacking in Christ's afflictions?
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2019, 04:47:02 am »
Thanks Blade !!!
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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