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Lori Bolinger

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What is the difference between being born again and salvation?
« on: December 09, 2019, 09:55:17 am »
I see salvation as a change in relationship from enemy of God to child of God.  Because of this belief I see salvation as a process.  A process that begins with being born (belief of the heart) and we could add an element here of taking our first breath (faith) and the journey that leads us to our inheritance if we persevere and obey and grow. (which are part of our new status)



Others here, seem to want to fight about the difference elements of this changed relationship...so what do you think the difference is between being born again and salvation?

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Agreed:


Salvation in full is the complete process of creating HIS people as holy from their election to their full sanctification. Rebirth is the start of the earthly portion whereby an elect sinner's free will is restored and their training in righteousness can begin. It ends with their being heaven ready and free of the liability of being pulled up with the judgment of the tares.

Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Agreed:


Salvation in full is the complete process of creating HIS people as holy from their election to their full sanctification. Rebirth is the start of the earthly portion whereby an elect sinner's free will is restored and their training in righteousness can begin. It ends with their being heaven ready and free of the liability of being pulled up with the judgment of the tares.


Well......Salvation by defintion is " deliverance from the power and effects of sin"

Rebirth is regeneration of the Heart and Mind where Jesus places His laws into them........


From that, I will let you two FREE-WILL(ers) hash it out..

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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I disagree with your definitions but that might be the core difference in free will and election doctrine...or at least one of the biggies

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I disagree with your definitions but that might be the core difference in free will and election doctrine...or at least one of the biggies

those definitions did not have anything to do with Free-WIll.....which by the way means....."a person's own choice or decision "   
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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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I disagree with your definitions but that might be the core difference in free will and election doctrine...or at least one of the biggies

those definitions did not have anything to do with Free-WIll.....which by the way means....."a person's own choice or decision "   
Blade   

I don't know what you mean as it applies to what I said but okay.

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Well......Salvation by defintion is " deliverance from the power and effects of sin"

Rebirth is regeneration of the Heart and Mind where Jesus places His laws into them........


From that, I will let you two FREE-WILL(ers) hash it out..

Blade


I accept these definitions because I do not believe sinners have a free will. We lost our free will when we chose by our free will to sin and we regain our free will when we are freed from the enslaving addiction to sin by our rebirth.


That our free will is an absolute necessity to keep GOD at arm's length from the creation of evil and to make us truly guilty for being sinful, the fact that we are born sinners makes the doctrine that we had a pre-earth existence in the Spirit world where we chose to become sinners in HIS sight is obviously true.
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Okay, I am at a big disadvantage here because I thought they were both the same basically the same. 

 Let's look at me,  I was forced into religion and moved away from it at the same time and lived a very sinful life.  Then in the middle of my military career after chaplain assistant training as an additional duty I started a journey back to faith and belief.   So what am I really going through based on all of your discussions above?

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Okay, I am at a big disadvantage here because I thought they were both the same basically the same. 

 Let's look at me,  I was forced into religion and moved away from it at the same time and lived a very sinful life.  Then in the middle of my military career after chaplain assistant training as an additional duty I started a journey back to faith and belief.   So what am I really going through based on all of your discussions above?
To me, born again is a moment in time whereas salvation is a process...look at it as being born is a moment in time, the beginning of life but life itself is not being born it is just the beginning of life.  I see salvation and being born again the same way and what I have seen in discussions is that many people don't understand this concept which messes them up with other doctrinal discussions such as faith alone or works....or even Ted's assertions of pre life.

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Okay, I am at a big disadvantage here because I thought they were both the same basically the same. 

 Let's look at me,  I was forced into religion and moved away from it at the same time and lived a very sinful life.  Then in the middle of my military career after chaplain assistant training as an additional duty I started a journey back to faith and belief.   So what am I really going through based on all of your discussions above?
You are probably being trained in righteousness, Heb 12:5-11...so hang onto your hat!
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Okay, I am at a big disadvantage here because I thought they were both the same basically the same. 

 Let's look at me,  I was forced into religion and moved away from it at the same time and lived a very sinful life.  Then in the middle of my military career after chaplain assistant training as an additional duty I started a journey back to faith and belief.   So what am I really going through based on all of your discussions above?
You are probably being trained in righteousness, Heb 12:5-11...so hang onto your hat!

being reborn is GOD placing His Laws in your heart and mind thus getting you to search our Jesus Christ....Salvation is different and is always after the "Calling"

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Blade I am not following you can you clarify

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