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What is sin?
« on: July 06, 2020, 12:34:03 pm »
Based on a recent discussion I had, I think we need to have a talk about what sin is.  Romans 14:23 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.



I have heard people claim that sin is a breaking of the law, and yes, at one time I might have been in that category but that presents problems with which law and what about the NT.  Some people claim that sin is a list of offenses, much like our law in this country.  Others might argue that sin is what goes against our conscience.  But here we see scripture declaring that sin is anything NOT done in faith (trust of the Living God) which closes up so many of the holes the other versions leave open and it also shows us why only true believers can be without sin as well as why in Christ we become a new creation.  Everything the believer does is to be done in faith, in trust of who God is and what He wants for us.  If we are trusting God, how can we go wrong? (sin)

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2020, 09:44:49 pm »
Based on a recent discussion I had, I think we need to have a talk about what sin is.  Romans 14:23 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.



I have heard people claim that sin is a breaking of the law, and yes, at one time I might have been in that category but that presents problems with which law and what about the NT.  Some people claim that sin is a list of offenses, much like our law in this country.  Others might argue that sin is what goes against our conscience.  But here we see scripture declaring that sin is anything NOT done in faith (trust of the Living God) which closes up so many of the holes the other versions leave open and it also shows us why only true believers can be without sin as well as why in Christ we become a new creation.  Everything the believer does is to be done in faith, in trust of who God is and what He wants for us.  If we are trusting God, how can we go wrong? (sin)

Even believers sin.....The Bible teaches us that there are three tenses of Sin.

1. Past Tense....I have been saved.... from all my past Sins

2. Present tense....I am being saved..from the sins that I commit daily.

3. Future Tense...I will be saved...from the sins I commit in the future.

Lori....question please.

Since you are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit is it your contention that Holy Spirit is responsible for all your daily actions?

OR

Is it your contention that you are the responsible party for all your daily actions?

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2020, 06:58:38 am »
Based on a recent discussion I had, I think we need to have a talk about what sin is.  Romans 14:23 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.



I have heard people claim that sin is a breaking of the law, and yes, at one time I might have been in that category but that presents problems with which law and what about the NT.  Some people claim that sin is a list of offenses, much like our law in this country.  Others might argue that sin is what goes against our conscience.  But here we see scripture declaring that sin is anything NOT done in faith (trust of the Living God) which closes up so many of the holes the other versions leave open and it also shows us why only true believers can be without sin as well as why in Christ we become a new creation.  Everything the believer does is to be done in faith, in trust of who God is and what He wants for us.  If we are trusting God, how can we go wrong? (sin)

Even believers sin.....The Bible teaches us that there are three tenses of Sin.

1. Past Tense....I have been saved.... from all my past Sins

2. Present tense....I am being saved..from the sins that I commit daily.

3. Future Tense...I will be saved...from the sins I commit in the future.

Lori....question please.

Since you are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit is it your contention that Holy Spirit is responsible for all your daily actions?

OR

Is it your contention that you are the responsible party for all your daily actions?

Blade
Why is it when we talk about God's power over sin and death that it always comes down to people making excuses for sinning as if God's only power is over death? 

Okay, when I sin, it is because I am NOT allowing God to have full control over my life...how can I make it any clearer...God is greater than sin, so if I sin it is my fault for not giving the reigns to God.

Now, the question being asked, is what is sin?  I don't see your answer here.

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2020, 06:40:24 pm »
Based on a recent discussion I had, I think we need to have a talk about what sin is.  Romans 14:23 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.



I have heard people claim that sin is a breaking of the law, and yes, at one time I might have been in that category but that presents problems with which law and what about the NT.  Some people claim that sin is a list of offenses, much like our law in this country.  Others might argue that sin is what goes against our conscience.  But here we see scripture declaring that sin is anything NOT done in faith (trust of the Living God) which closes up so many of the holes the other versions leave open and it also shows us why only true believers can be without sin as well as why in Christ we become a new creation.  Everything the believer does is to be done in faith, in trust of who God is and what He wants for us.  If we are trusting God, how can we go wrong? (sin)

Even believers sin.....The Bible teaches us that there are three tenses of Sin.

1. Past Tense....I have been saved.... from all my past Sins

2. Present tense....I am being saved..from the sins that I commit daily.

3. Future Tense...I will be saved...from the sins I commit in the future.

Lori....question please.

Since you are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit is it your contention that Holy Spirit is responsible for all your daily actions?

OR

Is it your contention that you are the responsible party for all your daily actions?

Blade
Why is it when we talk about God's power over sin and death that it always comes down to people making excuses for sinning as if God's only power is over death? 

Okay, when I sin, it is because I am NOT allowing God to have full control over my life...how can I make it any clearer...God is greater than sin, so if I sin it is my fault for not giving the reigns to God.

Now, the question being asked, is what is sin?  I don't see your answer here.

I guess you and I are not going to GEE-HA on the majority of your questions....I look at sins simply and literally as stated in GOD's Word. You either commit them or you don't.

You look at the mechanics of how one sins and what is happening to the person and GOD when one does sin.

Philosophical vs. Practical


Good Day Lori.

1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2020, 08:02:19 am »

Why is it when we talk about God's power over sin and death that it always comes down to people making excuses for sinning as if God's only power is over death? 

Okay, when I sin, it is because I am NOT allowing God to have full control over my life...how can I make it any clearer...God is greater than sin, so if I sin it is my fault for not giving the reigns to God.

Now, the question being asked, is what is sin?  I don't see your answer here.
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I guess you and I are not going to GEE-HA on the majority of your questions....I look at sins simply and literally as stated in GOD's Word. You either commit them or you don't. [/quote] so according to God's word, as per the OP question, sin is anything not done in faith...that is the definition I am going with, but you seem to be arguing against that definition all the while claiming that you believe sin is simply and literally as stated in God's word...so since I believe it is as stated in God's word according to the OP question, do you agree or not?
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You look at the mechanics of how one sins and what is happening to the person and GOD when one does sin.
I don't have any idea what this is all supposed to mean...the mechanism is not utilizing the power of the HS as we are instructed to do...what happens to the person, they are corrected by God, you know, the son that is corrected is Loved by the father...God when one does sin? God corrects us, not sure why I should question any of these things since they are clearly stated and straight out of scripture...which ones do you disagree with?
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Good Day Lori.
I still don't get (cause you won't tell me) why you think the formational study of scripture is a bad thing or not a necessary part of our study.

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2020, 10:09:36 am »

Why is it when we talk about God's power over sin and death that it always comes down to people making excuses for sinning as if God's only power is over death? 

Okay, when I sin, it is because I am NOT allowing God to have full control over my life...how can I make it any clearer...God is greater than sin, so if I sin it is my fault for not giving the reigns to God.

Now, the question being asked, is what is sin?  I don't see your answer here.

I guess you and I are not going to GEE-HA on the majority of your questions....I look at sins simply and literally as stated in GOD's Word. You either commit them or you don't. [/quote] so according to God's word, as per the OP question, sin is anything not done in faith...that is the definition I am going with, but you seem to be arguing against that definition all the while claiming that you believe sin is simply and literally as stated in God's word...so since I believe it is as stated in God's word according to the OP question, do you agree or not?
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You look at the mechanics of how one sins and what is happening to the person and GOD when one does sin.
I don't have any idea what this is all supposed to mean...the mechanism is not utilizing the power of the HS as we are instructed to do...what happens to the person, they are corrected by God, you know, the son that is corrected is Loved by the father...God when one does sin? God corrects us, not sure why I should question any of these things since they are clearly stated and straight out of scripture...which ones do you disagree with?
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Philosophical vs. Practical


Good Day Lori.
I still don't get (cause you won't tell me) why you think the formational study of scripture is a bad thing or not a necessary part of our study.
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Lori, it is good to hear directly from you again. My understanding is that  'formational study of scripture' (Philosophical) usually results in views of scripture that are not there resulting in more sin, not less. 

Yes, the HS is within me and Yes, I sin everyday, not because I do not give myself over to HIM completely(which I have) but rather because as long as I am in this mortal, fleshly body and have free-will, I will sin regardless.


Yes, When I sin I know it immediately and have to backup, ask myself why did I do that and place that thought in an area where I will TRY to remember to catch myself from repeating this sin again....This is the sanctification process of my walk with our Lord Jesus Christ.

As long as I am in this temporary, mortal body, I am going to sin daily!will get better and maybe not sin everyday but there will be times that I still as much as I try, I will still sin. I

The 'GEE-HA' is a throw back to the days when people drove mules like they drive cars these days. In part it means that you and I will not agree on anything because we are on two different sides of the SAME ROAD..

You see it Philosophical  and I see it Practical. By that I mean: A sin is a sin and I do not delve into the whys, hows, what for's and what happens to me, to include those around me or the HS when I sin..

For a little clarity, lets take the example of a LIE to a person who is a little fat, knows they are fat yet, needs a "WHITE-LIE" from others in order to make them feel good about themselves.

Now GOD Hates LIES..It is in the top seven of His list according to His Word.

I just know it is wrong to LIE (in any form). Is a 'WhiteLIE' to make someone feel better a sin,YES... A Lie is a Lie is a Lie is Lie, etc.

But according to Philosophical  terms, This 'WhiteLie' would be OK simply because it is making someone feel better about themselves ( a good deed)..Nevertheless this then leads to the enhancement of these WhiteLIES (that are ok) to cover LIES that are not OK.  Hope this makes sense without further explanation.

I am just a simple country boy and know that truth has only one path no matter how many ways your turn it. Any deviation from its original path is a LIE not matter how small.

SO, I try not to LIE in any form. It is as simple as that. The practical side.
 

Does this make sense to you ?  Hope so but do not believe it will!

I pray you have a safe and Blessed day, my friend

Blade

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2020, 10:31:54 am »
Lori, it is good to hear directly from you again. My understanding is that  'formational study of scripture' (Philosophical) usually results in views of scripture that are not there resulting in more sin, not less. [/quote] informational meaning how to apply it to our lives so that we become more and more like Christ, is in your opinion creating different views of scripture and thus resulting in sin...how can something that draws us to be more like Christ be creating more sin since Christ was sinless?   Remember, you are the one that pointed out you take a more philosophical view where I take a more application view.
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Yes, the HS is within me and Yes, I sin everyday, not because I do not give myself over to HIM completely(which I have) but rather because as long as I am in this mortal, fleshly body and have free-will, I will sin regardless.
this makes me so sad, because if Christ came with the power over sin and death but the only hope you have is in the resurrection, then He only accomplished 1/2 of what He came to do.  I personally believe in the God who accomplishes everything He wills, not just half of it.
Quote


Yes, When I sin I know it immediately and have to backup, ask myself why did I do that and place that thought in an area where I will TRY to remember to catch myself from repeating this sin again....This is the sanctification process of my walk with our Lord Jesus Christ.

As long as I am in this temporary, mortal body, I am going to sin daily!will get better and maybe not sin everyday but there will be times that I still as much as I try, I will still sin. I
So the Christ in you is not powerful enough to overcome sin...I would love for you to weigh in on where the power is then...
Quote

The 'GEE-HA' is a throw back to the days when people drove mules like they drive cars these days. In part it means that you and I will not agree on anything because we are on two different sides of the SAME ROAD..

You see it Philosophical  and I see it Practical. By that I mean: A sin is a sin and I do not delve into the whys, hows, what for's and what happens to me, to include those around me or the HS when I sin..
this is the exact opposite of what you originally claimed and just for the record, formational means to put it into practice, which is what you previously objected to me doing....why are you now changing your mind?  All I am asking in this thread is what is sin?  It's not about philosophical anything, it's about practice, what is a sin?   If we don't know what sin is, how can we avoid it?  Just do anything we want until God says, "that didn't make me happy", then repent??????
Quote

For a little clarity, lets take the example of a LIE to a person who is a little fat, knows they are fat yet, needs a "WHITE-LIE" from others in order to make them feel good about themselves.

Now GOD Hates LIES..It is in the top seven of His list according to His Word.
so you believe in a hierarchy of sin...where is the line drawn on what sins lead to death and which one's don't? 
Quote

I just know it is wrong to LIE (in any form). Is a 'WhiteLIE' to make someone feel better a sin,YES... A Lie is a Lie is a Lie is Lie, etc.

But according to Philosophical  terms, This 'WhiteLie' would be OK simply because it is making someone feel better about themselves ( a good deed)..Nevertheless this then leads to the enhancement of these WhiteLIES (that are ok) to cover LIES that are not OK.  Hope this makes sense without further explanation.
I don't see anything in scripture saying that a "white lie" is okay...but then again, I am all about application, so there is that.
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I am just a simple country boy and know that truth has only one path no matter how many ways your turn it. Any deviation from its original path is a LIE not matter how small.
so are you saying you believe that sin is anything that violates our conscience?
Quote

SO, I try not to LIE in any form. It is as simple as that. The practical side.
 

Does this make sense to you ?  Hope so but do not believe it will!

I pray you have a safe and Blessed day, my friend

Blade
what doesn't make sense is why you 1. changed your mind about how I approach scripture and 2. why you think that knowing what sin is is philosophical rather than formational.

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2020, 11:26:13 am »
I'm not much of a "scholar" of the Bible (and even disagree with much of it).
In my opinion, I think this is close to a Buddhist point of view (I'm no Buddhist though)...

WE as humans are reponsible for our sins.

The worst type of sin is to intentionally harm an innocent person (or animal).

If you do something wrong that you don't understand is a sin, you're still responsible.
If you don't know that you're sinning you can never learn to become a better person (the danger is that you lie to yourself)...

The hypothetical "best" of humans, wouldn't even have the urge to sin, and wouldn't need any (holy) "book" to refrain from sinning.

I still don't know if we have the (active) responsibility to also fight against the crimes of the elite.

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2020, 11:40:26 am »
I'm not much of a "scholar" of the Bible (and even disagree with much of it).
In my opinion, I think this is close to a Buddhist point of view (I'm no Buddhist though)...

WE as humans are reponsible for our sins.

The worst type of sin is to intentionally harm an innocent person (or animal).

If you do something wrong that you don't understand is a sin, you're still responsible.
If you don't know that you're sinning you can never learn to become a better person (the danger is that you lie to yourself)...

The hypothetical "best" of humans, wouldn't even have the urge to sin, and wouldn't need any (holy) "book" to refrain from sinning.

I still don't know if we have the (active) responsibility to also fight against the crimes of the elite.
so what then is sin?  So that we know what we are talking about

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2020, 07:20:51 pm »
Lori, it is good to hear directly from you again. My understanding is that  'formational study of scripture' (Philosophical) usually results in views of scripture that are not there resulting in more sin, not less.
informational meaning how to apply it to our lives so that we become more and more like Christ, is in your opinion creating different views of scripture and thus resulting in sin...how can something that draws us to be more like Christ be creating more sin since Christ was sinless?   Remember, you are the one that pointed out you take a more philosophical view where I take a more application view.
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Yes, the HS is within me and Yes, I sin everyday, not because I do not give myself over to HIM completely(which I have) but rather because as long as I am in this mortal, fleshly body and have free-will, I will sin regardless.
this makes me so sad, because if Christ came with the power over sin and death but the only hope you have is in the resurrection, then He only accomplished 1/2 of what He came to do.  I personally believe in the God who accomplishes everything He wills, not just half of it.
Quote


Yes, When I sin I know it immediately and have to backup, ask myself why did I do that and place that thought in an area where I will TRY to remember to catch myself from repeating this sin again....This is the sanctification process of my walk with our Lord Jesus Christ.

As long as I am in this temporary, mortal body, I am going to sin daily!will get better and maybe not sin everyday but there will be times that I still as much as I try, I will still sin. I
So the Christ in you is not powerful enough to overcome sin...I would love for you to weigh in on where the power is then...
Quote

The 'GEE-HA' is a throw back to the days when people drove mules like they drive cars these days. In part it means that you and I will not agree on anything because we are on two different sides of the SAME ROAD..

You see it Philosophical  and I see it Practical. By that I mean: A sin is a sin and I do not delve into the whys, hows, what for's and what happens to me, to include those around me or the HS when I sin..
this is the exact opposite of what you originally claimed and just for the record, formational means to put it into practice, which is what you previously objected to me doing....why are you now changing your mind?  All I am asking in this thread is what is sin?  It's not about philosophical anything, it's about practice, what is a sin?   If we don't know what sin is, how can we avoid it?  Just do anything we want until God says, "that didn't make me happy", then repent??????
Quote

For a little clarity, lets take the example of a LIE to a person who is a little fat, knows they are fat yet, needs a "WHITE-LIE" from others in order to make them feel good about themselves.

Now GOD Hates LIES..It is in the top seven of His list according to His Word.
so you believe in a hierarchy of sin...where is the line drawn on what sins lead to death and which one's don't? 
Quote

I just know it is wrong to LIE (in any form). Is a 'WhiteLIE' to make someone feel better a sin,YES... A Lie is a Lie is a Lie is Lie, etc.

But according to Philosophical  terms, This 'WhiteLie' would be OK simply because it is making someone feel better about themselves ( a good deed)..Nevertheless this then leads to the enhancement of these WhiteLIES (that are ok) to cover LIES that are not OK.  Hope this makes sense without further explanation.
I don't see anything in scripture saying that a "white lie" is okay...but then again, I am all about application, so there is that.
Quote

I am just a simple country boy and know that truth has only one path no matter how many ways your turn it. Any deviation from its original path is a LIE not matter how small.
so are you saying you believe that sin is anything that violates our conscience?
Quote

SO, I try not to LIE in any form. It is as simple as that. The practical side.
 

Does this make sense to you ?  Hope so but do not believe it will!

I pray you have a safe and Blessed day, my friend

Blade
what doesn't make sense is why you 1. changed your mind about how I approach scripture and 2. why you think that knowing what sin is is philosophical rather than formational.
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Then you are without sin? Seems so..You are asking what it is???

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« Last Edit: July 08, 2020, 07:44:38 pm by Bladerunner »
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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2020, 07:58:44 pm »
What is SIN?

GoodDay!

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2020, 08:10:44 pm »
What is SIN?

GoodDay!

Blade
Anything that is contrary to God's Will and His Word. Some people think we can capture every sinful thought and I believe this to be impossible unless praying or meditating 24/7
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: What is sin?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2020, 06:57:09 am »
The OP passage says it is anything done outside of faith (trust) in the Living God...No wonder we are commanded to be united with God, to yield control to Him, to grow in our faith, to trust Him completely, to pray without ceasing...
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