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What I really believe about MAD
« on: May 18, 2019, 03:56:07 pm »
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I have always held so I lightened up.

It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.

Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]

I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere hairline difference but actually is a chasm.

It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture concerning the Jews

I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see, the Body of Christ.

The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the seed of Abe.

I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews through faith and not as a reward for obedience.

There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to the Jewish church.

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Re: What I really believe about MAD
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2019, 04:10:55 pm »
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I have always held so I lightened up.

It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.

Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]

I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere hairline difference but actually is a chasm.

It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture concerning the Jews

I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see, the Body of Christ.

The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the seed of Abe.

I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews through faith and not as a reward for obedience.

There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to the Jewish church.
I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1 Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because of more unbelief.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: What I really believe about MAD
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2019, 09:43:36 pm »
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I have always held so I lightened up.

It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.

Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]

I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere hairline difference but actually is a chasm.

It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture concerning the Jews

I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see, the Body of Christ.

The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the seed of Abe.

I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews through faith and not as a reward for obedience.

There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to the Jewish church.
I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1 Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because of more unbelief.

The MAD believers are Christians.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: What I really believe about MAD
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2019, 05:58:11 pm »
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I have always held so I lightened up.

It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.

Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]

I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere hairline difference but actually is a chasm.

It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture concerning the Jews

I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see, the Body of Christ.

The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the seed of Abe.

I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews through faith and not as a reward for obedience.

There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to the Jewish church.
I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1 Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because of more unbelief.

There has [as I see it] only been one gospel ever but the Jerusalem crowd just couldn't get their heads around it God kept showing them and telling them.

It took Paul to come along to reveal it.

For example and it is but one of any number

Jesus states clears as any scripture anywhere in the bible "If any man hear My voice and believe on Him who sent Me he shall be saved and I will raise him up at the last day"

That is pure grace gospel, it is the gospel Paul preached. Antioch brought the issue to a head and the Jerusalem crowd were made to see they had not fully grasped the purity of the grace gospel.

The teaching that MAD has that the Jewish salvation is not for this present time is a shocker.
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Re: What I really believe about MAD
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2019, 09:41:19 pm »
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I have always held so I lightened up.

It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.

Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]

I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere hairline difference but actually is a chasm.

It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture concerning the Jews

I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see, the Body of Christ.

The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the seed of Abe.

I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews through faith and not as a reward for obedience.

There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to the Jewish church.
I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1 Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because of more unbelief.

There has [as I see it] only been one gospel ever but the Jerusalem crowd just couldn't get their heads around it God kept showing them and telling them.

It took Paul to come along to reveal it.

For example and it is but one of any number

Jesus states clears as any scripture anywhere in the bible "If any man hear My voice and believe on Him who sent Me he shall be saved and I will raise him up at the last day"

That is pure grace gospel, it is the gospel Paul preached. Antioch brought the issue to a head and the Jerusalem crowd were made to see they had not fully grasped the purity of the grace gospel.

The teaching that MAD has that the Jewish salvation is not for this present time is a shocker.

I read this and I got to question?

What happened to the 3,000 Jews who were saved and received the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 or the other 5,000 Jews who were subsequently saved and received the Holy Spirit just prior to Cornelius's (the first Gentile)Salvation?

The Law of Moses was the GOSPEL (OT) until John the Baptist. Then the Gospel of the Kingdom (OT) was preached until Jesus' death and Resurrection. After that, the Gospel of Jesus Christ (the Church)(NT) has been preached until the Church (Body/Bride) of Christ is removed just prior to Daniel's 70th week. After this, the Everlasting Gospel will be preached by the 144,000, the two witnesses and the angels on high. This will be the Gospel for the Millennium.

Yes, God has a special Plan for Israel and for those that have not converted to Christianity during the "Period of Grace" we have today. After the removal of the Church, the Israelis will be put through a test of fire and brimstone which will include the whole world. Until the AoD event happens, many Jews will die in the Name of Jesus Christ and will become Tribulation Saints. Those who are living in and around Jerusalem, those who see the AoD take place (CNN), will flees to Petra in the mountains south (Jordan) for protections by the Lord our GOD.  These living Jews will become the remnant (1/3) of all Israel. All other Jews will die (some in the Name of Jesus Christ thus becoming tribulation saints) and the others 2/3 of Israel will die and be taken to HELL.

The New Covenant will install into every living Jew at Petra, the laws of God into their heart and they will sin no more. They will rule Israel and Jerusalem with Jesus during the next 1000 years.

The other gentile nations that survived Daniel's 70th week, will be judged at the Sheep and Goat Judgement. Those nation's, who helped/befriended Israel will see their citizens live at least 100 years into the millennium. They will be known as the Sheep. The Goats will be the Nations who did not befriend Israel. Their citizens will be thrown into HELL.

Just prior to the Millennium beginnings, the earth will receive a new face lift.  All cities will are said to be flattened.  Also, all mountains will be flattened out as the highest place on earth will be that of Jerusalem and the Temple.  Here Jesus will reign for 1,000 years

This 1,000 years will be a time of peace, tranquility as every weapon will be turned into plow shares. The wolf will lie down with the Lamb. A reset of the original atmospheric conditions will most likely happen. Everything, humans, animals, birds etc. will become Vegan.

Once per year, a  pilgrimage to the Holy Land will take place. This scripture tells me the earth (continents) will have been reverted back to their original places prior to Peleg's birth (Gen 10:25). This pilgrimage to Jerusalem will be mandatory for everyone.

The Gentiles that live in the Millennium will have 100 years to decide to accept Jesus Christ as the savior or NOT!. To decide to accept Jesus as their savior, they will continue to live in the millennium. There is no mention of translated Saints coming from the Millennium.

Those who do not accept Jesus as their savior at their 100th year date, will be thrown into HELL to await the Great White Throne Judgement at the end of the Millennium.

During the Millennium, Jesus will rule with an Iron Fist. There will be judgement quickly and decisively. I believe here, those judged will also go to HELL.

The Tribulation Saints will serve the Lord Jesus Night and Day most likely within the 50x50 mile Temple built just north of Jerusalem.

The Bride (church/Body) of Jesus Christ will become Kings and Priest and most likely will have some duties with Gentile Nations under the reign of Jesus for 1,000 years.

At the end of the 1,000 Years, Satan will be released from the Bottomless Pit and will incite another Gog/Magog insurrection. When the forces surround Jerusalem, Jesus will bring down fire on all of them and immediately send them to HELL.

Once this is completed, The Great White Throne Judgement will most likely commence. The second resurrection will pair all the souls that are awaiting in HELL to their bodies asleep on/in the earth/seas, etc.

After the White Throne Judgement and all those found guilty are thrown into the eternal "Lake of Fire",  It is my conjecture that God will remove ALL on earth to the third Heaven as the Earth itself is will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt without oceans or seas.

After it is rebuilt, a New Jerusalem will come down from heaven.

It is my suspicion that the New Jerusalem will take the place of the
50x50 mile temple used by Jesus during the Millennium. It is also assumed the New Jerusalem never lands on earth as we are never told that it does.

There is no mention of Saints coming out of the Millennium. Do the people (in the flesh) that lived through the Millennium, populate the New Earth. Since the New Jerusalem contains the Tree of Life where all the people will eat from it and live forever it is assumed that the lifestyle of the Millennium will be continued on the New Earth for an eternity.

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Re: What I really believe about MAD
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2019, 11:04:04 am »
Good post Blade.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: What I really believe about MAD
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2019, 05:46:32 am »
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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