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Chaplain Mark Schmidt

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I am not in any disagreement with what you are saying.  How you approach the editions of the Bible and scriptures is wonderful and works for you.  It does not completely work for me.  I want to make sure I do have the divinely inspired word of God and not some wordsmith that change a word or misunderstood so tried to fix something and it ended up in an authorized Edition.   That is just me.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

George Orwell
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I am not in any disagreement with what you are saying.  How you approach the editions of the Bible and scriptures is wonderful and works for you.  It does not completely work for me.  I want to make sure I do have the divinely inspired word of God and not some wordsmith that change a word or misunderstood so tried to fix something and it ended up in an authorized Edition.   That is just me.

oops, had to revise that as I reread your reply.   It is my understanding that other versions of the Bible change regularly. To my knowledge, the AKJEdition has not changed since 1611 with the exception of the 1792 edition where it changed from the Ole English translation to the New English. When I have a problem or a question about either the AKJ Edition or other versions, I use the Textus receptus or the Leningrad Codex to find out... I like you think it is very important that I not lead people to a false gospel...I might as well quite.  It is that important. In fact, I pray to GOD each day, that He prevent me from leading anyone astray with what I say about Him and His Word. I hope this makes sense? I am not a preacher who has a gift of words but rather a teacher that teaches what the Bible says , Literally, Historically, grammatically and synthetically.


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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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I am not in any disagreement with what you are saying.  How you approach the editions of the Bible and scriptures is wonderful and works for you.  It does not completely work for me.  I want to make sure I do have the divinely inspired word of God and not some wordsmith that change a word or misunderstood so tried to fix something and it ended up in an authorized Edition.   That is just me.

oops, had to revise that as I reread your reply.   It is my understanding that other versions of the Bible change regularly. To my knowledge, the AKJEdition has not changed since 1611 with the exception of the 1792 edition where it changed from the Ole English translation to the New English. When I have a problem or a question about either the AKJ Edition or other versions, I use the Textus receptus or the Leningrad Codex to find out... I like you think it is very important that I not lead people to a false gospel...I might as well quite.  It is that important. In fact, I pray to GOD each day, that He prevent me from leading anyone astray with what I say about Him and His Word. I hope this makes sense? I am not a preacher who has a gift of words but rather a teacher that teaches what the Bible says , Literally, Historically, grammatically and synthetically.


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Mark, thought I would just chat for as bit....I recently received a 2016 edition of a King James Study Bible...It has all the bells and whistles but it has something that most Bibles including a lot of the King James Authorized Edition especially the newer editions do not have. This is the Epistle to King James from the translators of the 1611 Edition. I have this Epistle and will make a copy here even though it is windy and somewhat long...It is worth reading. Here I have pasted the first paragraph. Notice the majestic wording of the Kings English.

  EPISTLE AND DEDICATORIE
To the most high and mightie Prince, James by the grace of God
King of Great Britaine, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, &c.
The translators of The Bible, wish Grace, Mercie, and Peace, through Jesus
Christ our Lord.
Great and manifold were the blessings (most dread Soveraigne) which
Almighty GOD, the Father of all Mercies, bestowed upon us the people of
ENGLAND, when first he sent your Majesties Royall person to rule and
raigne over us. For whereas it was the expectation of many, who wished not
well unto our ZION, that upon the setting of that bright Occidentall Starre
Queene ELIZABETH of most happy memory, some thicke and palpable
cloudes of darkenesse would so have overshadowed this land, that men
should have bene in doubt which way they were to walke, and that it should
hardly be knowen, who was to direct the unsetled State: the appearance of
your MAJESTIE, as of the Sunne in his strength, instantly dispelled those
supposed and surmised mists, and gave unto all that were well affected,
exceeding cause of comfort; especially when we beheld the government
established in your HIGHNESSE, and your hopefull Seed, by an undoubted
Title, and this also accompanied with Peace and tranquillitie, at home and
abroad.                                                                                                                               
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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I struggle with literalism when it comes to scriptures.  My issue is mainly I have no idea what the author's time really was and in what context they wrote and meant it in.  They can have a huge bearing on what they really meant and not what we think the literal meaning is.

If we took the scriptures literal, PJ would have to remove everything from you Lori as the bible makes it clear that the bible can only be used and interpreted by men as only men could be chosen for such.  That is the second problem is most literalist only take the parts they are comfortable with or believe in literally.  I do not believe that is you, but I know many that way.

Of course, as always, these are just my humble opinions.
I would love to hear your thoughts on woman and the church, but alas another topic...you are right on the money for my way of thinking about culture and should be part of our understanding when studying. I think and I see it more and more, a lot of people claim literal understanding while reading their traditions into the text which is a problem and is NOT what literalist should mean.

There are many versions out there that do just that Lori: add present day culture to the verses of the Bible.... We are to live by the verses, not change them to say how we are living and that it is OK.. there is a difference.

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I wish I had a confused emoji...I am not saying we should apply the present-day culture to the verse to understand it's meaning...I am saying we should understand what it meant to the culture of the people that were being talked to and in that we can understand the teaching and apply it to our present-day lives.

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Well said Lori.  That is why you are a teacher
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

George Orwell
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Well said Lori.  That is why you are a teacher
Honestly, I don't try to teach and I would venture to say that I learn more than I end up teaching anyone.
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