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Author Topic: What does Galatians 3:24 mean is not that the law teaches us our need for a Savior?  (Read 1031 times)

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A much longer title then I wanted to post but since so many refuse to read the OP before responding I guess it's the only way.



Galatians 3:24 King James Version (KJV)



24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.



If this doesn't mean that the law is there to show us our need for a Savior, what does it mean?  Please make sure to keep it in context which I didn't post the whole thing here since so few read it anyway.

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A much longer title then I wanted to post but since so many refuse to read the OP before responding I guess it's the only way.



Galatians 3:24 King James Version (KJV)



24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.



If this doesn't mean that the law is there to show us our need for a Savior, what does it mean?  Please make sure to keep it in context which I didn't post the whole thing here since so few read it anyway.

Good evening Lori..

It would be prudent to go back to the beginning context of the paragraph to find the answer(s).

Galatians 3:21-25..(KJV)..
"Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. V22...But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. V23...But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. V24...Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. V25..But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Lori, I have underlined your verse 3:24 to keep us inline with your question.....

To begin the chapter, Jesus is speaking to the Galatians who are questioning the law vs faith....Rem, the time period and the Jews who for many generations have been under the LAW of MOSES. They have no idea what Justification by faith is much less that it will take the place of animal sacrifice to cover/remove their sins.
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In verse. 23 Jesus ask the question: "Is the law then against the promises of God?" and then answers it with a  NO  (God forbid:)


Jesus then explains to them that the Law could not give life thus righteousness was not to be  found. In verse 22. Jesus tells them that scripture imprisons man with His sin (But the scripture hath concluded all under sin), but the promise of Faith in Jesus Christ frees us of that sin..(that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.)

in Verse 23...Jesus tells them, before faith, the law kept  us (before faith came, we were kept under the law,) until Faith was revealed (shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.)


Then in Verse 24..Jesus tells them the law taught them what was sin, who GOD was (the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ) until the time when faith would justify us. (that we might be justified by faith.)

Finally in verse 25..Jesus reminds them that Faith has been revealed, the LAW is no longer needed. (But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.)


Lori..Your answer is here: As stated in verse 24; The law taught them (Jews) for centuries what was sin as shown to them by GOD and it also showed them the nature of GOD in preparation (unknown to them) for what would be revealed at a later date, Justification by faith.  In verse 25, we find the Law of Moses is no longer needed now that time has arrived.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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so...you then agree that it means that the law teaches us that we need a Savior?
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so...you then agree that it means that the law teaches us that we need a Savior?

No Lori because back then, there were plenty of OT saints that followed the LAW as best they could including the animal sacrifices to cover their sins. By the Grace of GOD, they found themselves waiting (for the unknown) in Abram's Bosom. They were taken HOME by Jesus at His death.....

By the Grace of GOD (God, Jesus, Holy Spirit) everyone on earth is saved. Was the Law needed for that Grace to occur....NO! For 1500+ years happen prior to God giving Israel the Laws of Moses.

Grace/Mercy was  shown throughout the centuries regardless of the Law.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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who goes to hell then?  And yes scripture talks about some going to hell....and what do you do with the passages that say "it was counted to them as righteousness"? 

You are really confusing me with your claims that when scripture says the law teaches us that we are far from God that it doesn't mean we are far from God.

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who goes to hell then?  And yes scripture talks about some going to hell....and what do you do with the passages that say "it was counted to them as righteousness"? 

You are really confusing me with your claims that when scripture says the law teaches us that we are far from God that it doesn't mean we are far from God.

show me the passages you are speaking of and I will give you my interpretation of them....!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said; there are many ways to interpret the previous single scripture you quoted.   I just simply read and interpreted it literally along with the context of other verses around it.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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I provided the passage and it clearly says that the law is our schoolmaster to teach us what is right and wrong in God's eyes....sure the context goes on to explain we are no longer under the law but being under the law is vastly different from learning from it....so your question is what does it mean if not that we are given the law to teach us about our need for a Savior....notice I said our need for a Savior, not our need to obey the law to earn salvation...

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I provided the passage and it clearly says that the law is our schoolmaster to teach us what is right and wrong in God's eyes....sure the context goes on to explain we are no longer under the law but being under the law is vastly different from learning from it....so your question is what does it mean if not that we are given the law to teach us about our need for a Savior....notice I said our need for a Savior, not our need to obey the law to earn salvation...

You did not read what I said...did you????some things are for us and many things are for the Jews at that time period...They sometimes gives us good guidance. This was one of them...

If this scripture tells us anything then it might be "Works of the Law " are not part of or not needed. It is faith and Faith alone.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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If....the law was their schoolmaster to teach them to come to Christ in faith...how is that different from the message to us today, when we consider the law was the word of God to His people?

and yes I did read what you said but I still don't see the answer to the question asked...

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If....the law was their schoolmaster to teach them to come to Christ in faith...how is that different from the message to us today, when we consider the law was the word of God to His people?

and yes I did read what you said but I still don't see the answer to the question asked...

The Law did not teach them or us to come to Christ in faith...It taught what sin was and the character of GOD/Jesus Himself. It was for the Jew at that time for they were having to change from the Law which was around for centuries. Unlike you and me, we were born in the "Age of the Church". We were taught by our parents, church, etc. what sin looked like and who GOD was...They (the Hebrews of old) did not have that luxury.

We are told from birth that if we love and believe in Jesus we will be saved. yet they (most of them in the 1st century) live under the Laws of Moses and then along came Paul and told them to change.......Can you Lori see that.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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If....the law was their schoolmaster to teach them to come to Christ in faith...how is that different from the message to us today, when we consider the law was the word of God to His people?

and yes I did read what you said but I still don't see the answer to the question asked...

The Law did not teach them or us to come to Christ in faith...It taught what sin was and the character of GOD/Jesus Himself.
you must be reading a different law then....what law are you reading? 
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  It was for the Jew at that time for they were having to change from the Law which was around for centuries. Unlike you and me, we were born in the "Age of the Church". We were taught by our parents, church, etc. what sin looked like and who GOD was...They (the Hebrews of old) did not have that luxury.
what?  The Jews of the day spent a lot of time learning about the Living God through the law, through history, through parents, through the church, etc. Do you really not know this basic stuff?
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We are told from birth that if we love and believe in Jesus we will be saved. yet they (most of them in the 1st century) live under the Laws of Moses and then along came Paul and told them to change.......Can you Lori see that.

Blade[/color]
I don't know what you are talking about to be honest...you claim that we are taught by our parents...ah no, I was taught by God but that is a different matter...you claim the Jews didn't know that they needed a Savior but yet the law says they did.  Sure the covenant/law changed but they knew it was going to or they would not have known to watch for the Messiah. 

BTW, you didn't answer my question about why you would ask me if this is what I teach when I have repeatedly told you I don't teach or preach....I would like the answer to this question, especially since some of your posts sound very belittling and judgmental.

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If....the law was their schoolmaster to teach them to come to Christ in faith...how is that different from the message to us today, when we consider the law was the word of God to His people?

and yes I did read what you said but I still don't see the answer to the question asked...

The Law did not teach them or us to come to Christ in faith...It taught what sin was and the character of GOD/Jesus Himself.
you must be reading a different law then....what law are you reading? 
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  It was for the Jew at that time for they were having to change from the Law which was around for centuries. Unlike you and me, we were born in the "Age of the Church". We were taught by our parents, church, etc. what sin looked like and who GOD was...They (the Hebrews of old) did not have that luxury.
what?  The Jews of the day spent a lot of time learning about the Living God through the law, through history, through parents, through the church, etc. Do you really not know this basic stuff?
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We are told from birth that if we love and believe in Jesus we will be saved. yet they (most of them in the 1st century) live under the Laws of Moses and then along came Paul and told them to change.......Can you Lori see that.

Blade[/color]
I don't know what you are talking about to be honest...you claim that we are taught by our parents...ah no, I was taught by God but that is a different matter...you claim the Jews didn't know that they needed a Savior but yet the law says they did.  Sure the covenant/law changed but they knew it was going to or they would not have known to watch for the Messiah. 

BTW, you didn't answer my question about why you would ask me if this is what I teach when I have repeatedly told you I don't teach or preach....I would like the answer to this question, especially since some of your posts sound very belittling and judgmental.


You said at one time you had been asked to teach a class at your church and since then you have opposed the literal words of the Lord in 1 Tim 2:11-12 and any other scripture that speaks against the woman teaching/Pastoring/Eldership in official church activities.

I will apologize since you feel I have offended or belittled you. I can assure you it was not intentional. 

Have a good evening and hope you get to feeling better.

Oh, by the way,  this will be our last conversation unless it is necessary for the good of the forum.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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You said at one time you had been asked to teach a class at your church and since then you have opposed the literal words of the Lord in 1 Tim 2:11-12 and any other scripture that speaks against the woman teaching/Pastoring/Eldership in official church activities.[/quote] I was asked to teach and I do think you are misrepresenting what the passage is teaching but I also told you that I obey the passage as I understand it and as you understand it...so why assume I teach when I told you I don't?  I passed the teaching off to my husband to as to not violate the scripture...but you still haven't shown me where my study of the passage went wrong...so you are not doing your job according to scripture to teach women.
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I will apologize since you feel I have offended or belittled you. I can assure you it was not intentional.

Have a good evening and hope you get to feeling better.

Oh, by the way,  this will be our last conversation unless it is necessary for the good of the forum.

Blade
what offends me is that you refuse to teach me where my study went wrong which is the main reason I am on the forums, to learn what I might have wrong....I am also offended that you would make assumptions that are opposite what I have told you is true as if you think I am lying without any reason to assume I am....in fact, I am very passionate about not lying.  Always speaking truth gets me in a lot of trouble.

 

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