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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2019, 12:48:40 am »

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

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Yes, the main Heaven and Earth was created in Genesis 1:1
Then chaos happened with Lucifer ruining the whole earth, leaving it in chaos.
Then we have Genesis 1:2 where God sees this chaos and cleans it up, creates the first heaven (going from earths or human perspective) where the birds fly, our atmosphere and makes another heaven separated by a firmament where He creates and puts all the stars. The third Heaven (from mans perspective) is actually the first Heaven God created, where His throne is along with His son Word aka Jesus Christ who has about a hundred other titles.

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2019, 06:22:50 pm »

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

Blade


So you are a proponent of the GAP Period between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2.

oh well.....

Blade


Yes, the main Heaven and Earth was created in Genesis 1:1
Then chaos happened with Lucifer ruining the whole earth, leaving it in chaos.
Then we have Genesis 1:2 where God sees this chaos and cleans it up, creates the first heaven (going from earths or human perspective) where the birds fly, our atmosphere and makes another heaven separated by a firmament where He creates and puts all the stars. The third Heaven (from mans perspective) is actually the first Heaven God created, where His throne is along with His son Word aka Jesus Christ who has about a hundred other titles.

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2019, 06:18:08 am »

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

Blade


Yes, the main Heaven and Earth was created in Genesis 1:1
Then chaos happened with Lucifer ruining the whole earth, leaving it in chaos.
Then we have Genesis 1:2 where God sees this chaos and cleans it up, creates the first heaven (going from earths or human perspective) where the birds fly, our atmosphere and makes another heaven separated by a firmament where He creates and puts all the stars. The third Heaven (from mans perspective) is actually the first Heaven God created, where His throne is along with His son Word aka Jesus Christ who has about a hundred other titles.

Arius



Dear Arius,

That's NOT True,  my friend, since, NO planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-5.

Adam's Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:10

What existed was earth/ground without form and void (dust), which was used to make Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day.

Trying to force the words to mean that God made the first Earth in Gen 1:1 is refuted by Gen 1:10 and Gen 2:4 which BOTH show the formation of the first Earth on the THIRD Day.

Once again, I strongly suggest that you consider the below of how you should read Gen. 1:1-5

Genesis 1:1 Is an Introduction, Preface, or Summary - The Story of the Beginning of our Physical World
Genesis 1:2 Tells us the condition of the deep - empty / void - before the making of our physical world.
Genesis 1:3 The bringing forth of the LIGHT before anything is made that was made before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 The division of light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening and the morning the first day of creation process.

As you can see, based on the perspective of the above cited Scripture , our physical heaven and earth that we know of today is still formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation.

The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven only took place on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8.  The Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day.....

Therefore, there could NOT have been anything made or formed in the beginning, ref. Gen 1:1-5 - to be DESTROYED as assumed by our Gap Theorist' subscribers.


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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2019, 07:16:41 pm »

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

Blade


Yes, the main Heaven and Earth was created in Genesis 1:1
Then chaos happened with Lucifer ruining the whole earth, leaving it in chaos.
Then we have Genesis 1:2 where God sees this chaos and cleans it up, creates the first heaven (going from earths or human perspective) where the birds fly, our atmosphere and makes another heaven separated by a firmament where He creates and puts all the stars. The third Heaven (from mans perspective) is actually the first Heaven God created, where His throne is along with His son Word aka Jesus Christ who has about a hundred other titles.

Arius



Dear Arius,

That's NOT True,  my friend, since, NO planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-5.

Adam's Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:10

What existed was earth/ground without form and void (dust), which was used to make Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day.

Trying to force the words to mean that God made the first Earth in Gen 1:1 is refuted by Gen 1:10 and Gen 2:4 which BOTH show the formation of the first Earth on the THIRD Day.

Once again, I strongly suggest that you consider the below of how you should read Gen. 1:1-5

Genesis 1:1 Is an Introduction, Preface, or Summary - The Story of the Beginning of our Physical World
Genesis 1:2 Tells us the condition of the deep - empty / void - before the making of our physical world.
Genesis 1:3 The bringing forth of the LIGHT before anything is made that was made before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 The division of light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening and the morning the first day of creation process.

As you can see, based on the perspective of the above cited Scripture , our physical heaven and earth that we know of today is still formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation.

The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven only took place on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8.  The Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day.....

Therefore, there could NOT have been anything made or formed in the beginning, ref. Gen 1:1-5 - to be DESTROYED as assumed by our Gap Theorist' subscribers.


God bless


Seve yoiu said: "That's NOT True,  my friend, since, NO planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-5. "

Not sure how you know that unless you consider yourself a GOD!...

The main question should be....."do we have a planet today?, there is a pot full of evidence we do not?

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2019, 08:12:49 pm »
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly.






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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2019, 11:07:36 pm »
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly.

Hi my friend.... let me say something about your excellent post. I don't get to do that very often. However, the only thing that comes to mind, is that I am a geocentrist as you are.

Good post and have a great evening

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2019, 06:21:22 am »
Dear Readers,

Here is a brief chronology of the 7 Days or Ages of Creation of the THIRD Heaven:.

Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form (Dust) and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light. Gen 1:1-3

Day 1- YHWH, the Son of God, came forth into the physical world to defeat the darkness which was upon everything God had created apart from his spiritual realm. His Image (Son of God) is brighter than the Noonday Sun.
Day 2- YHWH or Jesus made a firmament or boundary of Adam's world and placed it in the midst or middle of the Water, and God called it "heaven". Gen 1:6-8
Day 3- Jesus caused the BB to happen with the brightness of his glory  ..... and AFTER it cooled off He made Adam's Earth and another two HeavenS, but before He made the plants, He made man of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7
Day 4- The first Stars of our 2nd Heaven put forth their light into our Cosmos, which began as the Big Bang, on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4
Day 5- The heaven and the earth which are now is completed. Every living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the waters by the TRINITY, on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21
Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26)

Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image. Gen 1:26 ; Gen 5:1-2 Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.

This brings us up to the present TIME, today, 2019 for God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY.

The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.

Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age. The 7th Day or God's rest is FUTURE. Heb 4:9

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Our God is an awesome God.

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2019, 10:50:45 am »
Dear Readers,

Here is a brief chronology of the 7 Days or Ages of Creation of the THIRD Heaven:.

Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form (Dust) and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light. Gen 1:1-3

Day 1- YHWH, the Son of God, came forth into the physical world to defeat the darkness which was upon everything God had created apart from his spiritual realm. His Image (Son of God) is brighter than the Noonday Sun.
Day 2- YHWH or Jesus made a firmament or boundary of Adam's world and placed it in the midst or middle of the Water, and God called it "heaven". Gen 1:6-8
Day 3- Jesus caused the BB to happen with the brightness of his glory  ..... and AFTER it cooled off He made Adam's Earth and another two HeavenS, but before He made the plants, He made man of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7
Day 4- The first Stars of our 2nd Heaven put forth their light into our Cosmos, which began as the Big Bang, on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4
Day 5- The heaven and the earth which are now is completed. Every living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the waters by the TRINITY, on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21
Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26)

Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image. Gen 1:26 ; Gen 5:1-2 Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.

This brings us up to the present TIME, today, 2019 for God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY.

The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.

Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age. The 7th Day or God's rest is FUTURE. Heb 4:9

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Our God is an awesome God.
Isaiah 11:6-9 KJV - 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2019, 08:20:22 pm »
Dear Readers,

Here is a brief chronology of the 7 Days or Ages of Creation of the THIRD Heaven:.

Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form (Dust) and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light. Gen 1:1-3

Day 1- YHWH, the Son of God, came forth into the physical world to defeat the darkness which was upon everything God had created apart from his spiritual realm. His Image (Son of God) is brighter than the Noonday Sun.
Day 2- YHWH or Jesus made a firmament or boundary of Adam's world and placed it in the midst or middle of the Water, and God called it "heaven". Gen 1:6-8
Day 3- Jesus caused the BB to happen with the brightness of his glory  ..... and AFTER it cooled off He made Adam's Earth and another two HeavenS, but before He made the plants, He made man of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7
Day 4- The first Stars of our 2nd Heaven put forth their light into our Cosmos, which began as the Big Bang, on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4
Day 5- The heaven and the earth which are now is completed. Every living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the waters by the TRINITY, on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21
Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26)

Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image. Gen 1:26 ; Gen 5:1-2 Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.

This brings us up to the present TIME, today, 2019 for God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY.

The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.

Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age. The 7th Day or God's rest is FUTURE. Heb 4:9

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Our God is an awesome God.
Isaiah 11:6-9 KJV - 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.


Dear Patrick,

The posting looks good my friend... WELL DONE.

God bless you and yours
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2019, 11:03:18 pm »
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly.

Which Gap Theory is wrong Bro? The "millions and billions of years gap"? Because I understand it very differently. I don't see God as a created being, you know, a person, like Angels are beings, the son Word is a being, the Holy Spirit, he is a being, we are beings, and beings are product of creation, the first one of which was Gods son Word, just as it say in John 1:1-14
Father-God is NOT a being, nor can two other beings make up, or be part of Infinite and Eternal Spirit/Mind "I Am", it's an impossibility, no-created-thing can be part of Infinite, nor can anything be besides Infinite because Infinite is without borders.
All things are In God/Infinite.

Remember that there were stars/Angels rejoicing when God set the foundations of the earth. In Genesis 1:1 which says "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth" He did that through and for the son., and I know He did every creation through the son Word, so we know there was at least one created "being" along with God before God created the Heaven.

And since: John 1:3 All things were made through him (the son Word), and without Him nothing was made that was made. then according to scripture, Heaven was made for the son Word, where later God created many other beings like Angels, Cherubim's etc..  and this is where God made His throne too. Here is what we know:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

We know this is separate from verse 2 because the waters and chaos was already there. When did God created the waters that covered the earth, there is no mention of it? We have Heaven and the earth, but it doesn't mention Him creating the earth without form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep, only we have Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth, so this water must be the result of a previous time, when Lucifer inhabited the earth.

Ezekiel 28: “You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:


When was the King of Tyra in Eden the Garden of God? So this is about Lucifer, because like in Mathew 16:23 Jesus saying to Peter "Get behind me Satan" he wasn't saying Peter was Satan, but that he was acting/speaking like Satan. The same with the King of Tyra, the Prophet was told to remind him he was acting like Lucifer the destroyer, and how he too will be brought down to ruin.

16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
.. 17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
.. 18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;


And we know that the judgements mentioned both in Ezekiel and in Isaiah will come upon Lucifer/Satan when Jesus arrives, and after our Thousand Year reign with him. So since Lucifer ruined the earth and left it in chaos, he must have gone back up to Heaven to cause trouble there, because in Job we see that he was still able to travel between Heaven, and his old home earth as we see it here;

Job 1:6  (KJV)
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.


So Satan and his Angels after leaving the earth in chaos moved back up to Heaven, when God fixed the earth he and his angels who are still considered as sons of God did this:

Genesis 6:Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

so from Eve's deception in the Garden of Eden (lucifer's old home) past Noah's flood, .. past Job, .. past the son Word's birth here on earth and named Jesus the Christ, he was still traveling back and forth between Heaven and earth, because we see him here:

Mathew 4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
.. 8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”


so we see that he's still the god of this earth with authority to give it away when speaking with jesus:  “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.” So then Jesus spoke up to His Disciples: “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." This is not in the past tense, it sounds like Jesus just saw this in a vision. In Revelations 12 we see exactly what happened, and Jesus here from earth seen as the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, like lightning from heaven! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

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Revelations 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Luke 10:18  (NKJV)
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."


Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
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2 Now the earth was formless and void (empty), darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


let there be order, and there was order, just as Jesus brought light;  order/sense/reason into our time on this earth.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

divided/separated good and bad, because with God in Heaven there is only good, and here God saw chaos, disorder.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

For the first time in creation God seen disorder, and He made a distinction between order and disorder, between good and evil, between light and darkness, between day and night. This is why I believe that God created the sun and the moon, because once the earth was corrupted, He could no longer be the Light of it. But we see that in that New earth and new Heaven, He will once again be its light, so no need for the sun or moon.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

so we see God split the waters in half with a firmament/dome

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

sounds like God used the air to divide the firmament along with the waters above the firmament, from the earth and sea below

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

this is going to be where God puts the stars

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good


So we have the 'waters above, then the firmament holding it, or separating it there called the heaven above, then the air beneath the firmament, and here we have God separating the land from the seas

then it goes on explaining what God made on earth:

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” ..
.. 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.


we see that the "light" here is not the light in verse 3. The light here which are the stars, the sun and the moon are to distinguish our days and nights, this has nothing to do with Gods Days/Nights morning/evenings of fixing up the earth and finishing up the rest of creation on earth. There was no sun or moon when God was doing this, nor does God need them, .. so this light was for us man.

And for Globe earthers;  we see God putting the stars up above the firmament/vault, which means they are in the "waters above", and only German Astronauts can go to planets in the water above the firmament where God put the stars.

Hmm, .. maybe that's why NASA has their Astronauts practicing in giant pools with scuba gear!? Maybe they're hoping to break through the dome/firmament and travel the underwater galaxies to their god-planets? Hey, they could call that "Voyage to the Top of the sea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXJM0eVrGbY

This is the way I understand this Gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, .. a lot has happened on earth before God decided to make man in His image, and woman to represent His son Word "Let 'us' make man in our own image, in our own likeness"
So just as in the Beginning was the Word, and the son Word was with God, and he was God before God beget/created him, Eve was in the beginning with Adam, and she WAS Adam before God took her out of him (rib).

TIME - Carbon dating - etc.

In the original Heaven and earth creation Genesis 1:1 there was no sun or moon, they were created later for us men made from the dust of the earth, just as there will be no sun or moon on that new earth for the glory of God illuminated it.

No death recorded anywhere in the Bible before the fall of man, and from what we read, Lucifer (or any created being by God who were created to inhabit the earth were not restricted to the earth, but could travel to Heaven, and between Heaven and earth at will.

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. .. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, .. 22 But I saw ]no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.

So carbon dating past the creation of the sun and the moon is worthless, they can claim whatever they want, from 6,000 years which is as far as any accurate time-dating could be possible, ..  to 66.6 trillion years, would depend what story they're trying to prove?
 We live on a refurbished earth, and because of the chaos Lucifer created here, God could no longer be the Light of this now tainted world, which is why God made the sun and the moon .. and the stars.

This is how I understand the Gap theory, which according to the Bible, the whole Bible, is not a theory but fact.

And since they are desperately hiding the chaos, earth without form, what the darkness upon the face of the deep that Satan and his angels caused on earth before our creation here, we are left with many, many questions unanswered. But little by little it's all coming to light, thank the Lord!

You seen this video right? This is for others here to kind of wake up, think of what may have been here before we arrived. Discoveries all being hidden, or defaced, History perverted, we have to look beyond this to see what the Gap really was?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFrLkNrATGA&list=PLbxYtfaixKzAvlLr8L477AC2CwA9QX_sA


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Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2019, 02:22:38 am »
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly.

Which Gap Theory is wrong Bro? The "millions and billions of years gap"? Because I understand it very differently. I don't see God as a created being, you know, a person, like Angels are beings, the son Word is a being, the Holy Spirit, he is a being, we are beings, and beings are product of creation, the first one of which was Gods son Word, just as it say in John 1:1-14
Father-God is NOT a being, nor can two other beings make up, or be part of Infinite and Eternal Spirit/Mind "I Am", it's an impossibility, no-created-thing can be part of Infinite, nor can anything be besides Infinite because Infinite is without borders.
All things are In God/Infinite.

Remember that there were stars/Angels rejoicing when God set the foundations of the earth. In Genesis 1:1 which says "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth" He did that through and for the son., and I know He did every creation through the son Word, so we know there was at least one created "being" along with God before God created the Heaven.

And since: John 1:3 All things were made through him (the son Word), and without Him nothing was made that was made. then according to scripture, Heaven was made for the son Word, where later God created many other beings like Angels, Cherubim's etc..  and this is where God made His throne too. Here is what we know:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

We know this is separate from verse 2 because the waters and chaos was already there. When did God created the waters that covered the earth, there is no mention of it? We have Heaven and the earth, but it doesn't mention Him creating the earth without form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep, only we have Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth, so this water must be the result of a previous time, when Lucifer inhabited the earth.

Ezekiel 28: “You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:


When was the King of Tyra in Eden the Garden of God? So this is about Lucifer, because like in Mathew 16:23 Jesus saying to Peter "Get behind me Satan" he wasn't saying Peter was Satan, but that he was acting/speaking like Satan. The same with the King of Tyra, the Prophet was told to remind him he was acting like Lucifer the destroyer, and how he too will be brought down to ruin.

16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
.. 17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
.. 18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;


And we know that the judgements mentioned both in Ezekiel and in Isaiah will come upon Lucifer/Satan when Jesus arrives, and after our Thousand Year reign with him. So since Lucifer ruined the earth and left it in chaos, he must have gone back up to Heaven to cause trouble there, because in Job we see that he was still able to travel between Heaven, and his old home earth as we see it here;

Job 1:6  (KJV)
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.


So Satan and his Angels after leaving the earth in chaos moved back up to Heaven, when God fixed the earth he and his angels who are still considered as sons of God did this:

Genesis 6:Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

so from Eve's deception in the Garden of Eden (lucifer's old home) past Noah's flood, .. past Job, .. past the son Word's birth here on earth and named Jesus the Christ, he was still traveling back and forth between Heaven and earth, because we see him here:

Mathew 4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
.. 8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”


so we see that he's still the god of this earth with authority to give it away when speaking with jesus:  “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.” So then Jesus spoke up to His Disciples: “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." This is not in the past tense, it sounds like Jesus just saw this in a vision. In Revelations 12 we see exactly what happened, and Jesus here from earth seen as the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, like lightning from heaven! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

****************************
References: -
Revelations 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Luke 10:18  (NKJV)
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."


Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
***************************

2 Now the earth was formless and void (empty), darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


let there be order, and there was order, just as Jesus brought light;  order/sense/reason into our time on this earth.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

divided/separated good and bad, because with God in Heaven there is only good, and here God saw chaos, disorder.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

For the first time in creation God seen disorder, and He made a distinction between order and disorder, between good and evil, between light and darkness, between day and night. This is why I believe that God created the sun and the moon, because once the earth was corrupted, He could no longer be the Light of it. But we see that in that New earth and new Heaven, He will once again be its light, so no need for the sun or moon.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

so we see God split the waters in half with a firmament/dome

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

sounds like God used the air to divide the firmament along with the waters above the firmament, from the earth and sea below

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

this is going to be where God puts the stars

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good


So we have the 'waters above, then the firmament holding it, or separating it there called the heaven above, then the air beneath the firmament, and here we have God separating the land from the seas

then it goes on explaining what God made on earth:

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” ..
.. 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.


we see that the "light" here is not the light in verse 3. The light here which are the stars, the sun and the moon are to distinguish our days and nights, this has nothing to do with Gods Days/Nights morning/evenings of fixing up the earth and finishing up the rest of creation on earth. There was no sun or moon when God was doing this, nor does God need them, .. so this light was for us man.

And for Globe earthers;  we see God putting the stars up above the firmament/vault, which means they are in the "waters above", and only German Astronauts can go to planets in the water above the firmament where God put the stars.

Hmm, .. maybe that's why NASA has their Astronauts practicing in giant pools with scuba gear!? Maybe they're hoping to break through the dome/firmament and travel the underwater galaxies to their god-planets? Hey, they could call that "Voyage to the Top of the sea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXJM0eVrGbY

This is the way I understand this Gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, .. a lot has happened on earth before God decided to make man in His image, and woman to represent His son Word "Let 'us' make man in our own image, in our own likeness"
So just as in the Beginning was the Word, and the son Word was with God, and he was God before God beget/created him, Eve was in the beginning with Adam, and she WAS Adam before God took her out of him (rib).

TIME - Carbon dating - etc.

In the original Heaven and earth creation Genesis 1:1 there was no sun or moon, they were created later for us men made from the dust of the earth, just as there will be no sun or moon on that new earth for the glory of God illuminated it.

No death recorded anywhere in the Bible before the fall of man, and from what we read, Lucifer (or any created being by God who were created to inhabit the earth were not restricted to the earth, but could travel to Heaven, and between Heaven and earth at will.

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. .. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, .. 22 But I saw ]no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.

So carbon dating past the creation of the sun and the moon is worthless, they can claim whatever they want, from 6,000 years which is as far as any accurate time-dating could be possible, ..  to 66.6 trillion years, would depend what story they're trying to prove?
 We live on a refurbished earth, and because of the chaos Lucifer created here, God could no longer be the Light of this now tainted world, which is why God made the sun and the moon .. and the stars.

This is how I understand the Gap theory, which according to the Bible, the whole Bible, is not a theory but fact.

And since they are desperately hiding the chaos, earth without form, what the darkness upon the face of the deep that Satan and his angels caused on earth before our creation here, we are left with many, many questions unanswered. But little by little it's all coming to light, thank the Lord!

You seen this video right? This is for others here to kind of wake up, think of what may have been here before we arrived. Discoveries all being hidden, or defaced, History perverted, we have to look beyond this to see what the Gap really was?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFrLkNrATGA&list=PLbxYtfaixKzAvlLr8L477AC2CwA9QX_sA


Arius.

well said PJ

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2019, 05:40:55 pm »
Gen 1:1-2
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form (Dust), and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Well ok, but if this was the  beginning, then there must have been another beginning or another part of this beginning not mentioned here because when speaking about this creation YHWH had written:   Job 38:7 ...while the morning stars sang together and ALL the Sons of GOD shouted for joy? 

Just when were these morning stars and Sons of GOD created? Even if this is a poetic way to refer to only one group, the Sons of GOD, the question needs to be answered. I am a son of GOD so if they were ALL there, so was I!!! Shouting my heart out!!!

Prove I'm wrong.

 

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2019, 06:07:17 pm »
Dear Readers,
...

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless



Or not...   IF the false doctrine of our being created on earth was made up to support the blasphemy that we are created inheriting Adam's sin, but in fact we were ALL created at least 6000 years ago in the spirit world (what is or became Sheol) and became sinners  by our own free will decisions about where to put  our faith,


then the blasphemy of our being created as sinners (GOD CANNOT CREATE EVIL!) on earth is done, over, dead in the water...a blessing to all who believe in GOD's righteousness in their hearts not just on their lips.



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