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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2019, 06:15:19 am »
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2019, 06:31:07 am »
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless


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For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2019, 01:36:24 pm »
Dear Readers,

Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity.

A Day in Genesis is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind. And the the 7th Day jas no no ending which means Eternity

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc.

A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day and this Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless


Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2019, 01:43:14 pm »



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Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?
Teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity. They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.

So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.

The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity. The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some pseudo-Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.





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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2019, 09:34:41 pm »
Dear Readers,

Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity.

A Day in Genesis is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind. And the the 7th Day jas no no ending which means Eternity

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc.

A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day and this Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless


Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?

Seve, You Said: "Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity."

Seve you are among many who use "yom" as a Day unknowing that it can be translated to 54 other words. However, in the Bible, out of the 1480 times "yom" is used, 1181 of them refer to DAY in the preceding context. In addition, if a number is used with "yom" the result is ALWAYS a LITERAL day.

However, the above may be informative but does not confirm that each day was 24 hours??

In Exodus, God wrote in stone by His own Finger, the Ten Commandments He gave to Moses. 

Exodus 20:11.."For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Here we are told by GOD, to keep the sabbath day holy.

The Hebrew Sabbath Day is the seventh day of the week (God given) and a 24 hour day. This corresponds directly to the seventh day,"wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day,". Thereby, the other six Literal days are also 24 hour in length.

For in Exodus 20:10  we see: "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:.........."

This above has been accepted by the majority of scholars as the definition of Creation Days are: 24 hour in length.

Seve, you are going to have to read the Bible literally and accept the Hebrew/Greek translations as being what GOD wanted us to know or NOT!

It is your Choice!

Blade


1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 04:15:06 am »

Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?


Dear Arius,

Like his invisible God Father, the Son already existed at the bosom of the Father from the beginning; from everlasting- BEFORE the World was. He was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world in the beginning of creation of our physical worlds... when God commanded the first “Word” spoken in the Scripture.... and said... "LET THERE BE LIGHT": and there was light. Gen. 1:3

YHWH or Jesus, the Son, became the only God physically formed for us to see and witness. He was sent again into our world in the NT and made flesh ; sacrifice himself and die for us; to save us from our sins.

His Father is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love.... without physical shape or form.… that changes Not.

The brightness of the glory of the the Son of God provided the light in the Beginning (Alpha) as He will also provide the light of new heaven in the End (Omega)

Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

God bless
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2019, 04:42:21 am »
Seve, You Said: "Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity."

Seve you are among many who use "yom" as a Day unknowing that it can be translated to 54 other words. However, in the Bible, out of the 1480 times "yom" is used, 1181 of them refer to DAY in the preceding context. In addition, if a number is used with "yom" the result is ALWAYS a LITERAL day.

However, the above may be informative but does not confirm that each day was 24 hours??

In Exodus, God wrote in stone by His own Finger, the Ten Commandments He gave to Moses. 

Exodus 20:11.."For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Here we are told by GOD, to keep the sabbath day holy.

The Hebrew Sabbath Day is the seventh day of the week (God given) and a 24 hour day. This corresponds directly to the seventh day,"wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day,". Thereby, the other six Literal days are also 24 hour in length.

For in Exodus 20:10  we see: "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:.........."

This above has been accepted by the majority of scholars as the definition of Creation Days are: 24 hour in length.

Seve, you are going to have to read the Bible literally and accept the Hebrew/Greek translations as being what GOD wanted us to know or NOT!

It is your Choice!

Blade


Dear Blade,

Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this 6th Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day, which has No end.

Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

A good example of this Scriptural Truth is when YHWH told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed his commandment. Adam did Not die physically within 24 hours, for he lived to be 930 years old as shown in Gen 5:5. Adam did not die Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are born Spiritually are born Eternally.

Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect.T

Once again, the Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.

Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day (still in the future), when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

IOW - The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for others - i.e. Unbelievers, Pretenders and Religionist - of the Last Days to comprehend.

In order to understand, they need to study and search the Scripture more seriously and be approved by God ….“Rightly dividing the word of Truth”.

God bless
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2019, 07:41:37 pm »
Seve, You Said: "Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity."

Seve you are among many who use "yom" as a Day unknowing that it can be translated to 54 other words. However, in the Bible, out of the 1480 times "yom" is used, 1181 of them refer to DAY in the preceding context. In addition, if a number is used with "yom" the result is ALWAYS a LITERAL day.

However, the above may be informative but does not confirm that each day was 24 hours??

In Exodus, God wrote in stone by His own Finger, the Ten Commandments He gave to Moses. 

Exodus 20:11.."For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Here we are told by GOD, to keep the sabbath day holy.

The Hebrew Sabbath Day is the seventh day of the week (God given) and a 24 hour day. This corresponds directly to the seventh day,"wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day,". Thereby, the other six Literal days are also 24 hour in length.

For in Exodus 20:10  we see: "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:.........."

This above has been accepted by the majority of scholars as the definition of Creation Days are: 24 hour in length.

Seve, you are going to have to read the Bible literally and accept the Hebrew/Greek translations as being what GOD wanted us to know or NOT!

It is your Choice!

Blade


Dear Blade,

Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this 6th Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day, which has No end.

Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

A good example of this Scriptural Truth is when YHWH told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed his commandment. Adam did Not die physically within 24 hours, for he lived to be 930 years old as shown in Gen 5:5. Adam did not die Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are born Spiritually are born Eternally.

Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect.T

Once again, the Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.

Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day (still in the future), when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

IOW - The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for others - i.e. Unbelievers, Pretenders and Religionist - of the Last Days to comprehend.

In order to understand, they need to study and search the Scripture more seriously and be approved by God ….“Rightly dividing the word of Truth”.

God bless


Seve, you said"Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

If you referring to the dispensation periods that have happened since the Beginning Day One  of Creation, we are in the general area of 5779 years. This is according to Hebrew Rabbi's and is confirmed by other sources including the Bible.

Therefore we are in the 5th dispensation period and if the seven days of creation are any indication and when we use God's WORD;

2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

We can then determine than we still have the 6th dispensation period to go before the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. That dispensation period would be the Millennium.
The 7th day was a day of rest and GOD did nothing.

Thus, after the Millennium, the 7th dispensation period will begin and the 1st day of the 7,000th year will have come and gone. According to Jesus Christ, this dispensation will continue forever and ever.

Therefore the name for this dispensation period;

ETERNITY


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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2019, 10:35:39 pm »
Dear Readers,

Genesis 2:4-7 tell us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" becoming a natural living soul, on the 3rd Day, as Jesus meet…..... The SAME Day the first Earth was made, and the Same Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, BEFORE the plants, herbs, trees, Stars of our Cosmos, and life which came forth from the water on the 5th Day....  and those creatures made by Jesus on the 6th Day from the dust of the ground, which Adam named.

Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus, as our Lord’s meet during the Making of our present Universe.. Adam was surrounded by a Shekinah Glory similar to the one Jesus have, but lost his Shekinah Glory when he sinned on the 6th Day together with Eve - and found themselves naked - in body of flesh and blood.

In fact, the dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History . A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) on our present planet by Noah's great grandsons some 10k years ago - Gen 10:10 - AFTER Ark arrived here from the 1st world which was totally destroyed / dissolved by the Great Universal Flood.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Scripture also tells us that… God who’s full of Mercy, redeemed Adam and Eve of their sins and were Created in their image and likeness or born again, spiritually during Seth generations..... after Man started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen.4:26) . (Gen. 5:1-3 cross - Gen 1:26-27;).

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Our God is an Awesome God.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2019, 10:24:08 pm »
Dear Readers,

Genesis 2:4-7 tell us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" becoming a natural living soul, on the 3rd Day, as Jesus meet…..... The SAME Day the first Earth was made, and the Same Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, BEFORE the plants, herbs, trees, Stars of our Cosmos, and life which came forth from the water on the 5th Day....  and those creatures made by Jesus on the 6th Day from the dust of the ground, which Adam named.

Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus, as our Lord’s meet during the Making of our present Universe.. Adam was surrounded by a Shekinah Glory similar to the one Jesus have, but lost his Shekinah Glory when he sinned on the 6th Day together with Eve - and found themselves naked - in body of flesh and blood.

In fact, the dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History . A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) on our present planet by Noah's great grandsons some 10k years ago - Gen 10:10 - AFTER Ark arrived here from the 1st world which was totally destroyed / dissolved by the Great Universal Flood.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Scripture also tells us that… God who’s full of Mercy, redeemed Adam and Eve of their sins and were Created in their image and likeness or born again, spiritually during Seth generations..... after Man started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen.4:26) . (Gen. 5:1-3 cross - Gen 1:26-27;).

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Our God is an Awesome God.


Boy Howdy,  you sure did step in the slop jar this time! GOD made man on the 3rd day??????Hum.....Don't think so....But that one error causes all the other items you have stated as being at the best, suspect..

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2019, 12:06:05 am »

Boy Howdy,  you sure did step in the slop jar this time! GOD made man on the 3rd day??????Hum.....Don't think so....But that one error causes all the other items you have stated as being at the best, suspect..

Blade


Dear Readers,

Here's the REAL TRUTH... contrary to Blade's FALSE assertion....

So far, the relevant PREVIOUS post below is contrary to Blades' misrepresentation of facts above..... and the Post below REMAINS UNCONTESTED... simply because...

Blade could NOT refute it using the Scripture to support his/her FALSE accusation and misrepresentation of my Biblical stand


Here’s where Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day BEFORE he was created in the image and likeness of God together with Eve on the 6th Day.

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground on the THIRD Day:

v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.


Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.

v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil
.

Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.

Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul. In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.

IOW, Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally,…. after A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel… In fact, the actual Creation This Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord as recorded and explained in the Scripture below - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel; and the creation event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ...and repent.

Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of God.

Therefore, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from natural birth, unless, one is Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living sou l; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Amen?


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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2019, 06:27:44 am »

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Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

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I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?

Teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity.

"Equal in essence", .. can you find me a Scripture verse that explains, or even hints on such "equality"? I know Jesus never claimed that, and I thought I have exhausted all Scripture references used to justify this equality, but none did justice.
If Jesus is equal to God, then he must have been very confused when this 2/3'ds of God was here on earth by the comments he made, wouldn't you think my brother?
Now the Angel of Fire that appeared to Moses we see was clearly God "in the Angel", yet the Trinitarians ignore that fourth God, .. why?

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Patrick Jane Said: They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.

So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.

I don't see it like the JW's, or any other Christian denomination.

Yes, I understand all that, but the Word (before he became flesh and was named Jesus) was the First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega, as John 1- explains, while after him God had many "children", some even became disobedient and left their abode and came flirting with the daughters of men, and married whomever they chose, .. right?

The Bible says "the Only Begotten Son of God", because like Eve, she was the Only begotten of Adam. Adam was created in the Image of God, and it is obvious that Eve was begotten or "taken out of" Adam.

Now Adam and even beget many other children, just as through the son Word, God beget many other children also. It says it right in John and other places who Gods son Word was, and he is always the true one, and unlike Abraham who's first child was of sin through Hagar, (doubting God is a sin, since Abraham allowed his wife to doubt God) we can't use sin begotten children as an example. (I don't want to sound sarcastic my dear brother but) that is a Christian habit to include sin begotten children into the Trinity Apologetic.

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The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity.

Please my dearest friends, think how that sounds? Yes, of course God made it so we could understand this Father and son relationship, but How the son Word came to be is clearly shown throughout the Bible, especially in:

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
27 So
God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

So here is God talking to His son Word: “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness" (please notice how the KJV and NKJV capitalizes the word "Our" to keep the Trinity in the readers mind that these are gods talking) So how could we liken this to Abraham and Hagar? We can't, it is about man Adam, and the woman Eve, right?
Now look how clear this is: So[/i] God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. .. man was in Gods image, and how do we know Eve was in the son's Word image?

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

So obviously since All things were created through the son Word, then God created all his other Children through him too, so this fits Eve since all men came through Eve.

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The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some pseudo-Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.

But that is what the Bible says (I disagree on who the JW's say Jesus is and on many other of their way-out doctrines) but have to agree on this one. What's written has to stay, and it is reiterated throughout the Bible, while Jesus being God is not.

Someone Co-equal with God would never say "My Father is greater than I, .. I do what my Father commands me to do, and say what I heard Him say" and so on.
My son will never be equal with me, he will always remain my son, and I will always remain his father. He was never born my equal, nor will he ever be my father as this Christian doctrine try to use:

Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says,

But about the son WHO says? This is David prophesying of the son Word coming into the world:

Psalm 45:2 You are the most excellent of men
    and your lips have been anointed with grace,
    since God has blessed you forever.
3 Gird your sword on your side, you mighty one;
    clothe yourself with splendor and majesty.
4 In your majesty ride forth victoriously
    in the cause of truth, humility and justice;
    let your right hand achieve awesome deeds.
5 Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies;
    let the nations fall beneath your feet.

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And it is here David is saying what the son is fighting for as he comes into this world:

Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says, (the son of God is saying this)
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
    a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.


(now this is David saying about the son Word becoming flesh as Jesus Christ-)

9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
    therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
    by anointing you with the oil of joy.”


(as is explained in Colossians 1:15-17)

Putting all things in perspective, while the Trinity is always taking Scripture out of context to try to justify God dying, which they can only do by making Jesus God.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 08:01:15 am »

Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

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I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?

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Dear Arius,

Like his invisible God Father, the Son already existed at the bosom of the Father from the beginning; from everlasting- BEFORE the World was. He was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world in the beginning of creation of our physical worlds... when God commanded the first “Word” spoken in the Scripture.... and said... "LET THERE BE LIGHT": and there was light. Gen. 1:3

YHWH or Jesus, the Son, became the only God physically formed for us to see and witness. He was sent again into our world in the NT and made flesh ; sacrifice himself and die for us; to save us from our sins.

His Father is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love.... without physical shape or form.… that changes Not.

The brightness of the glory of the the Son of God provided the light in the Beginning (Alpha) as He will also provide the light of new heaven in the End (Omega)

Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

God bless


Dear Arius,

Here's how you can also reconcile the bringing forth (begotten) of the Son of God (YHWH) into our physical worlds from the beginning; from everlasting - coming from the Same Spiritual Essence and attributes of His God Father.... 

He became known as the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. ....... For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily - Col 2:9. ..... Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:9


Note: I am going to cite 3 different Scriptures as my Biblical Proof Texts that are in harmony together -  acting as my witnesses:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Prov. 8:22

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:2

The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Prov 8:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

When there were no depths, I was brought forth (begotten); when there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.Gen.1:4

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Prov 8:25

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:5


Amen?

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