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Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« on: May 30, 2019, 11:15:21 pm »
I was responding to a post on another forum about the plans of God concerning the Church (Body/Bride) and the Remnant of Israel. Here is the resulting response. 


Since the beginning of this Period Of Grace (32  AD), anyone who believes in the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to scripture (1 Cor 15:1-4) will receive Salvation and the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide, teach and protect them from the daily horrors of sin.


At fifty days after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, 3,000 Jews accepted Jesus as their savior and were saved and received the Holy Spirit in Acts 2. A little later another 5,000 Jews  were subsequently saved and received the Holy Spirit just prior to Cornelius's (the first Gentile)Salvation?  Why does this matter. It shows the Church is for everyone, Gentile and Jew alike. Yet many will tell you; other than those that are saved by the Grace of Jesus Christ, there are no other plans.


From the beginning God's Laws have guided those who chose to follow them. The Law of Moses was the GOSPEL (OT) until John the Baptist (Luke 16:16). Then the Gospel of the Kingdom of GOD (OT) was preached until Jesus' death and Resurrection. After that, the Gospel of Jesus Christ (the Church)(NT) has been preached until the Church (Body/Bride) of Christ is removed just prior to Daniel's 70th week (still has not happened)..


In the near future after the Church (Body/Bride) of Christ is removed from this earth, the Everlasting Gospel will be preached by the 144,000 Jews, the two witnesses and the angels on high. This will be the Gospel for the Millennium.


Yes, God has a special Plan for Israel and for those that have not converted to Christianity during the "Period of Grace" we have today.


After the removal of the Church (Body/Bride) of Christ, the Israelis will be put through a test of fire and brimstone which will include the whole world. Until the Abomination of Desolate (AoD) event happens (Mid-point of Daniels 70th week), many Jews will die in the name of Jesus Christ and will become Tribulation Saints. Those who are living in and around Jerusalem, those who see the AoD take place (CNN) and those that believe Jesus is their Messiah, will flee to Petra in the mountains south (Jordan) for protection by the Lord our GOD.  These living Jews will become the remnant (1/3) of all Israel. All other Jews will die (some in the name of Jesus Christ thus becoming tribulation saints) and the others 2/3 of Israel will die and be taken to HELL.


The New Covenant, Jeremiah  prophesied (Jer 31;31) and Jesus spoke in (Heb 8: 8), tells us that God would put His laws into their heart(s) and they will sin no more. They are destined to rule Israel and Jerusalem with Jesus during the next 1000 years.


The other gentile nations that survive Daniel's70 week will be judged at the Sheep and Goat Judgement. Those nation's, who helped/befriended Israel will see their citizens live at least 100 years into the millennium. They will be known as the Sheep. The Goats will be the Nations who did not befriend Israel. Their citizens will be thrown into HELL.


Just prior to the Millennium beginning, the earth will receive a new face lift. All cities and mountains will be flattened out as the highest place on earth will be that of Jerusalem and the Temple. Here Jesus will reign for 1,000 years


This 1,000 years will be a time of peace, tranquility as every weapon will be turned into plow shares. The wolf will lay down with the Lamb. A reset of the original atmospheric conditions will most likely happen. Everything, humans, animals, birds etc. will become/remain  Vegan.


Once per year, a  pilgrimage to the Holy Land will take place. This tell me the earth (continents) will have reverted back to their original places prior to Peleg's birth (Gen 10:25). This pilgrimage to Jerusalem will be mandatory for everyone.


The Gentiles that live in the Millennium will have 100 years to decide to accept Jesus Christ as the savior or NOT!. To decide to accept Jesus as their savior, they will continue to live in the millennium. There is no mention of translated Saints coming from the Millennium. It also appears that only Gentiles will die during this time.


Those who do not accept Jesus as their savior at their 100th year date, will be thrown into HELL to await the Great White Throne Judgement at the end of the Millennium.


During the Millennium, Jesus will rule with an Iron Feast. There will be judgement quickly and decisively. I believe here, those judged will also go to HELL.


The Tribulation Saints will serve the Lord Jesus night and day most likely within the 50x50 mile Temple built just north of Jerusalem.


The Bride (Church/Body) of Jesus Christ will become Kings and Priest and rule over Gentile Nations under the reign of Jesus for 1,000 years.


At the end of the 1,000 Years, Satan will be released from the Bottomless Pit and will incite another Gog/Magog insurrection. When these forces surround Jerusalem, Jesus will bring down fire on all of them and immediately send them to HELL.


Once this is completed, The Great White Throne Judgement will most likely commence. The second resurrection will pair all the souls that are awaiting in HELL to their bodies asleep on/in the earth/seas, etc.


After the White Throne Judgement and all those found guilty are thrown into the eternal "Lake of Fire",  It is my conjecture that God will remove ALL on earth to the third Heaven as the Earth itself is will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt without oceans or seas.


After it is rebuilt, a New Jerusalem will come down from heaven.


It is my suspicion that the New Jerusalem will take the place of the

50x50 mile temple used by Jesus during the Millennium. While the scripture does not say,  the New Jerusalem  lands on earth, it is very likely it does not.


There is no mention of Saints coming out of the Millennium. Do the people (
Flesh and Blood) that lived through the Millennium, populate the New Earth. Since the New Jerusalem contains the Tree of Life where all the people will eat from it and live forever it is assumed that the lifestyle of the Millennium will be continued on the New Earth for an eternity.


As you can see, there are two plans for the peoples of the present day earth. The Church (Body of Christ) will become Saints (The Bride of Christ)residing in Heaven. Those who during Daniel's 70th week die in the name of Jesus Christ will become Tribulation Saints.


The remnant of Israel and surviving Gentiles will live (Flesh and Blood Bodies) on earth during the millennium.


Blade
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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2019, 05:17:28 pm »
imCo

 There is one plan:  to bring HIS sinful elect to redemption. 

But the sinful elect as sinners looked for redemption in the fig leaves that is, in man made redemptive efforts which continued thru all the history of man, until all solutions were shown to be compromised except Christ.

 In Abraham it was shown that family was not enough. In Moses that the law could not redeem. In Judges it was proven that men could not be trusted, or that kings and prophets could achieve redemption for HIS people as they too failed to bring redemption. As for Jewish nationalism, no redemption could be found.

Once all these were out of the way and proven to be failures for redemption, then Christ came earth to fulfill HIS promise of redemption in HIS sinful elect. No one in Christ will ever choose the serpent, a king, prophet or army for redemption of sin again. 

One plan, the redemption of the sinful elect with the extraneous fig leaf attempts of man slowly whittled away to leave only the truth of the Divine Messiah.






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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2019, 08:04:53 pm »
imCo

 There is one plan:  to bring HIS sinful elect to redemption. 

But the sinful elect as sinners looked for redemption in the fig leaves that is, in man made redemptive efforts which continued thru all the history of man, until all solutions were shown to be compromised except Christ.

 In Abraham it was shown that family was not enough. In Moses that the law could not redeem. In Judges it was proven that men could not be trusted, or that kings and prophets could achieve redemption for HIS people as they too failed to bring redemption. As for Jewish nationalism, no redemption could be found.

Once all these were out of the way and proven to be failures for redemption, then Christ came earth to fulfill HIS promise of redemption in HIS sinful elect. No one in Christ will ever choose the serpent, a king, prophet or army for redemption of sin again. 

One plan, the redemption of the sinful elect with the extraneous fig leaf attempts of man slowly whittled away to leave only the truth of the Divine Messiah.

What is the "imCO" for??

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2019, 01:53:31 pm »
imCo

 There is one plan:  to bring HIS sinful elect to redemption. 

But the sinful elect as sinners looked for redemption in the fig leaves that is, in man made redemptive efforts which continued thru all the history of man, until all solutions were shown to be compromised except Christ.

 In Abraham it was shown that family was not enough. In Moses that the law could not redeem. In Judges it was proven that men could not be trusted, or that kings and prophets could achieve redemption for HIS people as they too failed to bring redemption. As for Jewish nationalism, no redemption could be found.

Once all these were out of the way and proven to be failures for redemption, then Christ came earth to fulfill HIS promise of redemption in HIS sinful elect. No one in Christ will ever choose the serpent, a king, prophet or army for redemption of sin again. 

One plan, the redemption of the sinful elect with the extraneous fig leaf attempts of man slowly whittled away to leave only the truth of the Divine Messiah.

I agree, as you said:" There is one plan:  to bring HIS sinful elect to redemption.  "

The other plan is for the Remnant of Israel that will be!

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2019, 04:57:43 pm »

What is the "imCO" for??

Blade
In  My  Christian  Opinion


that is, my reminder that all we know about the meaning of scripture is interpretation ie, someone's opinion, UNLESS it comes from the Lord directly and saying that pretty well means it will be ignored, eh?

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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2019, 05:07:23 pm »
I agree, as you said:" There is one plan:  to bring HIS sinful elect to redemption.  "

The other plan is for the Remnant of Israel that will be!

Blade


I separate ALL of creation into only 3 camps: the holy elect, the sinful elect and the non-elect. Only sinners are born as men; the sinful elct sown into the world by the son of Man and the non-elect, satanic, reprobate goats by the devil, Matt 13:36-39.


So all references to the various groups of GOD's people are just earthly representations of HIS legitimate children who are born due to sin to be redeemed.

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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2019, 06:41:16 pm »
I agree, as you said:" There is one plan:  to bring HIS sinful elect to redemption.  "

The other plan is for the Remnant of Israel that will be!

Blade


I separate ALL of creation into only 3 camps: the holy elect, the sinful elect and the non-elect. Only sinners are born as men; the sinful elct sown into the world by the son of Man and the non-elect, satanic, reprobate goats by the devil, Matt 13:36-39.


So all references to the various groups of GOD's people are just earthly representations of HIS legitimate children who are born due to sin to be redeemed.

NO..the Kingdom of Heaven will be on earth with Jesus ruling from King David throne. It will be a physical kingdom with mortals with mortals as its population. The Remnant of Israel will rule Israel through Jesus.

 GOD's WORD(s) tells these things above will happen and you are simply throwing them out.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2019, 06:44:44 am »
2 inheritances, 1. the new heavens, 2. the new earth.

The church [Jew/Gentiles] inherit the first, the ethnic Jews and the meek inherit the second.

This adds up to a much wider mercy than is generally supposed.
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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2019, 03:49:06 pm »
2 inheritances, 1. the new heavens, 2. the new earth.

The church [Jew/Gentiles] inherit the first, the ethnic Jews and the meek inherit the second.

This adds up to a much wider mercy than is generally supposed.

Are the Meek Jewish or both Gentile and Jew?

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 10:50:30 pm »
2 inheritances, 1. the new heavens, 2. the new earth.

The church [Jew/Gentiles] inherit the first, the ethnic Jews and the meek inherit the second.

This adds up to a much wider mercy than is generally supposed.

Are the Meek Jewish or both Gentile and Jew?

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Good question. There are meek in both crowds.
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Re: Two Plans; One Jewish - One Gentile
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2019, 09:45:41 am »
2 inheritances, 1. the new heavens, 2. the new earth.

The church [Jew/Gentiles] inherit the first, the ethnic Jews and the meek inherit the second.

This adds up to a much wider mercy than is generally supposed.

Are the Meek Jewish or both Gentile and Jew?

Blade

Good question. There are meek in both crowds.

I agree, there is another area we have not touched upon for this but first:  The MEEK will in no likelyhood survive the killing of the elected saints during the first and second ("Great Tribulation) parts of Daniel's 70th week.

Rev 12:12(KJV).. "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."  Here, the Satan is making war against Israel as a whole.  Only those who flee in the name of Jesus Christ will be protected and receive the New Covenant.

Rev 13:7(KJV).."And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."  Here the whole world is is targeted by Satan and those that believe in Jesus will die.

Therefore, we see those who died in the name of Jesus Christ after the Rapture and prior to the Sheep and GOAT Judgements are known as: Thus at this time on earth, there are no living believers on earth. Only if they are from nations that drew the blessings from the Abraham covenant (Gen 12:1-3(KJV)) will they live through the millennium for at least 100 years.

I might add again that for the remnant of Israel, the New covenant is placed on them, thus they are treated different than those of the Sheep and Goat Judgements. The Promise GOD gave Abraham has come true for these Jews.

Tribulation Saints: Rev 7:9.(KJV).."After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;"

Rev 7:9-14 (KJV)..V14. "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

In other verses, the Tribulation saints are not only out of the "great Tribulation (2nd Half of Daniel's 70th week). We see in:

Rev 6:9-11 (KJV)..v9.."And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:"  Here are the 1st part of Daniel's 70th week tribulation saints.

Does this answer your question...sometimes I get carried away....I so few  creditable questions.  Thank you

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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