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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2018, 08:48:35 am »
Thorn in the Flesh…

     But scripture tells us that God opposes the proud.  (James 4:6) Now we know that Satan is all about destruction and death. (John 8:44) We must assume then that Satan’s purpose in giving the thorn to Paul was that of destruction.  Satan wanted to use the thorn in the flesh that he gave to Paul to draw Paul away from God and into death.  However, God had a different plan in mind.  Genesis 50:20 says, (HCSB) “You planned evil against me; God planned it for good to bring about the present result--the survival of many people.”  These words were  His strength is made perfect in our weakness but not just our weakness but the humility it takes to confess we are weak without Him.
Please explain how you get that from what I said...
Humility is the price of eye salve.

Weakness is not humility.

Humility can only be achieved by somebody who has been humbled by God.

You are adding to the word and portraying pride in the act of humility as if you can add to Jesus' strength.

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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2018, 08:49:44 am »
Idleness…
   Idleness can be used by Satan to draw us away from God.  We are not to be idle but rather we are to keep busy doing the work of God.  Idleness leads to sin. (I Timothy 5:15; Proverbs 10:4; Proverbs 31:27; I Timothy 5:13; II Timothy 3:6)  We are in fact suppose to be busy doing the work of God. (II Thessalonians 3:11-12; Ephesians 4:28; Proverbs 21:26; Acts 20:35; I Corinthians 4:112; II Thessalonians 3:11)  When we fail to work in this way not only does it give Satan an opportunity to draw us away but we become useless and unfruitful in our knowledge of God. (II Peter 1:8)
   Christ Himself left an example of being busy rather than idle.  (Luke 2:49; John 4:34; John 5:36; Psalms 40:8; John 17:4)  Christ had a job to do and He did it to the glory of God.  Likewise we have been given by God a job to do. (Ephesians 2:10)  These good works that we were created for keep us from being idle and thus falling into one of the traps of Satan as well as pleasing our Father. (Matthew 5:16)  We are to clothe ourselves in good works, (I Timothy 2:9-11) as well as being known for our good works. (I Timothy 5:10)  Our lives should be such that our good works are obvious to the world. (I Timothy 5:25; I Peter 2:12)  We are to be rich in good works. (I Timothy 6:18)  Our lives are to be an example of good works. (Titus 2:7)  We should be eager to do good works, (Titus 2:14) devoted to good works, (Titus 3:8; Titus 3:14) as well as promote good works. (Hebrews 10:24) Those who do good works are blessed. (James 1:25)  In fact, good works are an expression of our faith. (James 2:14-26)

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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2018, 09:10:48 pm »
Lori, thanks for your hard work about Satan.  It surely helps others who read it know who they're fighting against.  You're right again!

I do also realize how important "works" are!  I am very appreciative of those Scriptures you found that deals with the subject.  Check out Rev. 20:13KJV.  God judges the remaining souls by their works, even those who were in the sea, in death, and hell.

What do you think about the Return of Jesus Christ being imminently soon?  It is something that I suppose that most people ponder these days.





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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2018, 08:23:21 am »
Lori, thanks for your hard work about Satan.  It surely helps others who read it know who they're fighting against.  You're right again!

I do also realize how important "works" are!  I am very appreciative of those Scriptures you found that deals with the subject.  Check out Rev. 20:13KJV.  God judges the remaining souls by their works, even those who were in the sea, in death, and hell.

What do you think about the Return of Jesus Christ being imminently soon?  It is something that I suppose that most people ponder these days.





great verse...thanks...

I don't think about His second coming as much as most it would seem.  Some time ago I came across Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
That passage kind of compels me to focus on the hear and now and doing what God has given me to do now rather than focus too much on His return.  Nonetheless, I do believe that His return is close at hand and I see the signs....so "Even so come Lord Jesus."  How awesome to be one of those that witness that coming! (Rev. 22:20)


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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2018, 08:24:15 am »
Agents for Destruction…
   Revelations 2:9-10 tells us of those who serve Satan even if they don’t realize they are doing so.  These agents of Satan are doing his work, his will, a will that seeks to destroy.  In verse 9 we see that this destruction sometimes comes in the form of slander.  Slander is defined as an untruth that is used to hurt someone's reputation.  Slander does harm, thus it is not Love.  It is a tool of Satan and should never happen in the body of believers known as the Church.  In fact, I was surprised by how many passages teach that we should not slander one another but even the angels refrain from slandering the demons.  We should take a lesson from the angels if nothing else. (II Peter 2:11) 
   Leviticus equates slander to putting a neighbor's life in jeopardy. (Leviticus 19:16) Several passages equate not slandering others with being in God’s presence. (Psalms 15; Romans 1:29-31; Psalm 101:5) Slander is an evil that is comparable to taking one’s blood. (Psalms 50:19-21; Lamentations 3:62; Ezekiel 22:9) The slanderer is said to be arrogant (Psalms 119:78) and they should not be tolerated in the midst of believers. (Psalms 140:11)  Those who slander are said to be fools. (Proverbs 10:18)  Even in the workplace slander happens, (Proverbs 30:10) Jeremiah 6:28 says that all are slanderers.  It is not a victimless sin.  Even friends will slander friends. (Jeremiah 9:4)  It is a sin of Israel. (Ezekiel 36:2-4)  Paul even fears that he will find slanderers in the body of believers.  It is a widespread problem that Satan enjoys. (II Corinthians 12:20; Titus 2:3-5)  Wives are not to slander, (I Thessalonians 3:11) but it isn’t just a wife problem it is a people problem. (II Timothy 3:3)  We should never be satisfied with slander. (III John 1:10)  Often times we are slandered for doing what is right or good. (Luke 6:22; Acts 19:9; Romans 3:8; Romans 14:15-17; I Corinthians 10:30)  Evil things we are told not to do also lead us to slander. (I Thessalonians 6:4)  When we face slander we need to respond graciously, (I Corinthians 4:13) endure through the slander, (II Corinthians 6:7-9) we are to remove slander from our lives, (Ephesians 4:31; Colossians 3:8; Titus 3:1-3; I Peter 2:1; I Peter 4:4) 
   The other part of this passage talks about how Satan uses persecution to attack the faithful believers. (Revelations 12:13)  Again he uses agents to do his bidding and Paul at one point in his life was participating in this persecution of the believers. (Acts 22:3-5; I Corinthians 15:9; Galatians 1:13; Galatians 1:23)   We often think that persecution is only about martyrdom but it far exceeds that.   Even Job felt persecuted by God. (Job 19:22)  II Timothy 3:12 tells us that all who follow Christ will be persecuted.  Psalms 119:86 talks about being persecuted with lies, lies like the slander we just talked about.  Persecution comes to the believer because of hate, (Deuteronomy 30:7) sometimes the persecution comes without cause of any kind. (Psalms 119:161)  In fact, when the persecution comes because we are sharing the gospel we are to continue on. (Matthew 10:23) God sends prophets and apostles to share the good news even though He knows they will be persecuted which speaks to how important sharing the gospel really is. (Luke 11:49; Luke 21:12) Unfortunately persecution is passed down throughout the generations. (Acts 7:52)  The persecution is really a battle between the man born only of the flesh and the man born of the spirit. (Galatians 4:21-31; Galatians 5:11; Galatians 6:12)  What comfort then can we find in moments of persecution that will keep us faithful to God?  We can know that if we are persecuted for Christ we are blessed. (Matthew 5:10-11)  We know that our reward is yet to come. (Matthew 5:12) We know that we are not greater than Christ and since He was persecuted we will be too, it is to share in His sufferings. (John 15:20)  We take comfort in knowing that though we have been persecuted we have not been abandoned. (II Corinthians 4:9) We also know that God dislikes persecution. (I Thessalonians 2:15-16)  When we are persecuted it is important to remember these truths but it is equally important to endure the persecution (I Corinthians 4:12) as well as praying for those that are persecuting us. (Matthew 5:44) 


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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2018, 09:46:05 pm »
Lori, thanks for your hard work about Satan.  It surely helps others who read it know who they're fighting against.  You're right again!

I do also realize how important "works" are!  I am very appreciative of those Scriptures you found that deals with the subject.  Check out Rev. 20:13KJV.  God judges the remaining souls by their works, even those who were in the sea, in death, and hell.

What do you think about the Return of Jesus Christ being imminently soon?  It is something that I suppose that most people ponder these days.





great verse...thanks...

I don't think about His second coming as much as most it would seem.  Some time ago I came across Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
That passage kind of compels me to focus on the hear and now and doing what God has given me to do now rather than focus too much on His return.  Nonetheless, I do believe that His return is close at hand and I see the signs....so "Even so come Lord Jesus."  How awesome to be one of those that witness that coming! (Rev. 22:20)


Lori, I am trying to quit saying 'hon,' but it's taking a while.  I slip and do it.  I don't want to offend anyone. 

I do not desire the day of the Lord, except that it has to happen first before Jesus will return.  I have studied the subject quite a bit and I am looking forward to leaving the Earth and going to Heaven.  It will be hard when the Apocalypse happens, but many have to make it through it.

I am looking forward to Satan getting bound by chains and cast back into hell.  This Earth will be a wonderful place to live once everyone knows that no evil will be allowed by the Lord, and the meek shall live in peace for 1,000 years and even more.

Godspeed, Jesus!!


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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #58 on: November 03, 2018, 09:39:00 am »
Lori, thanks for your hard work about Satan.  It surely helps others who read it know who they're fighting against.  You're right again!

I do also realize how important "works" are!  I am very appreciative of those Scriptures you found that deals with the subject.  Check out Rev. 20:13KJV.  God judges the remaining souls by their works, even those who were in the sea, in death, and hell.

What do you think about the Return of Jesus Christ being imminently soon?  It is something that I suppose that most people ponder these days.





great verse...thanks...

I don't think about His second coming as much as most it would seem.  Some time ago I came across Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
That passage kind of compels me to focus on the hear and now and doing what God has given me to do now rather than focus too much on His return.  Nonetheless, I do believe that His return is close at hand and I see the signs....so "Even so come Lord Jesus."  How awesome to be one of those that witness that coming! (Rev. 22:20)


Lori, I am trying to quit saying 'hon,' but it's taking a while.  I slip and do it.  I don't want to offend anyone. 

I do not desire the day of the Lord, except that it has to happen first before Jesus will return.  I have studied the subject quite a bit and I am looking forward to leaving the Earth and going to Heaven.  It will be hard when the Apocalypse happens, but many have to make it through it.

I am looking forward to Satan getting bound by chains and cast back into hell.  This Earth will be a wonderful place to live once everyone knows that no evil will be allowed by the Lord, and the meek shall live in peace for 1,000 years and even more.

Godspeed, Jesus!!

no offense and I was not trying to assert that you were desiring the day of the Lord just answering the question based on what God has shown me, nothing more or less.

Funny story...(long story) because of some of our youngest sons experiences he is running from God at the moment and calls himself an agnostic.  One day I asked him what he would do if his dad and I were raptured (just talking not opening debate about rapture that is a different time and place and purpose from the question asked)  My agnostic son said he would find all the money he could find in the house, find all the bibles he could get his hands on and go out and preach the gospel to the world.  I asked him what then was holding him back and he didn't have a good answer.  (He is just angry at God right now and where I know he is wrong and pray for him I do understand why he feels the way he does for those who want to judge him...again not saying you just preempting anyone who is reading and wants to make some arguments that are not warranted)

Anyway, I found his answer interesting and challenging when it comes to the second coming of our Lord and the shortness of the time at hand.  In fact, the shortness of the time is one of my husbands big discussions around here.
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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #59 on: November 03, 2018, 09:39:38 am »
Denial, Deceiving, Lies…
   From Genesis to Revelation we see that Satan is a deceiver.  (Genesis 3:13; I Timothy 2:14; Revelation 12:9-11) He deceives all those that listen to his lies.  In fact, we are to guard ourselves against falling prey to his lies. (II Thessalonians 2:3) We can be protected from the lies of Satan because all belongs to God. (Job 12:16)  The one person that can never be deceived is God Himself and thus making sure that we know and understand and are living in the power of God is imperative to our not being deceived. (Job 13:9)  It isn’t just Satan that tries to deceive, even man tries to deceive God. (Psalms 78:35-37)  Those who are honest do not deceive, (Proverbs 14:5) in fact, it is the stupidity of fools that allows them to be deceived. (Proverbs 14:8)  We are instructed to not participate in deceptions, (Proverbs 24:28) which includes the joking in which one might say, “I was only joking. (Proverbs 26:19) Sometimes prophets and diviners are doing Satan’s will by trying to deceive others. (Jeremiah 29:8) We even sometimes deceive ourselves with presumptions. (Jeremiah 49:16; Obadiah 1:3) We become deceived when we don’t know scripture nor the power of God. (Matthew 22:29; Mark 12:24) Even false prophets are among God’s people for the purpose of deceiving all that they can.  (Matthew 24:4-5; Matthew 24:11; Mark 13:5; Luke 21:8)  Some are deceived into thinking that God is only the God of heaven and not of our daily lives. (Mark 12:27)  Our words can and often do deceive, (Romans 3:13; Romans 16:18) but sin also deceives with its temptations and empty promises. (Romans 7:11) We deceive ourselves (I Corinthians 3:18) sometimes through justifications for our sins. We are warned not to be deceived about who is and who is not saved.  Something our current world seems to be determined not to believe. (I Corinthians 6:9)  Even the company you keep can be used to deceive you. (I Corinthians 15:33)  There are sometimes whole ministries that deceive. (II Corinthians 6:3-13) In these deceptions we are seduced to leave the faith and our walk with Christ. (II Corinthians 11:3)  Conceit can deceive us, (Galatians 6:3) as well as what we do can lead us to deceptions. (Galatians 6:7) When our arguments are empty without substance we deceive, (Ephesians 5:6) as do persuasive arguments. (Colossians 2:4)  Some set out with the intent to deceive, (I Thessalonians 2:3) for some deceptions grow, (II Timothy 3:13) but we were all deceived at one time. (Titus 3:3)   We are to guard ourselves from deception. (James 1:16) Sometimes it is the religious that deceive, (James 1:26; I John 2:26) it is righteousness that holds truth and not deception. (I John 3:7) Only those that confess that Jesus is Lord are not deceived. (II John 1:7)  Satan tries to deceive us with sensual desires (Revelations 2:20) signs and wonders (Revelation 13:14) sorcery (Revelations 18:23) and with the mark of the beast. (Revelations 19:20)  Satan is the deceiver (Revelations 12:9; Revelations 20:10) who will even deceive the nations. (Revelations 20:3-8)  We need to be watchful, guard against and judge those things that come into our lives to deceive us and lead us away from Christ and the salvation He offers to all. 

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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2018, 03:11:17 pm »
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From Genesis to Revelation we see that Satan is a deceiver.

Ignore the reason for the deception at your peril.

And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned(makr), and Allah too planned(makr), and the best of planners(makr) is Allah.
Quran 3:54
The word, makr in Arabic denotes a subtle and secret move or plan.

And the Lord knew their thoughts, and it came to pass when they were building they cast the arrows toward the heavens, and all the arrows fell upon them filled with blood, and when they saw them they said to each other, Surely we have slain all those that are in heaven.
For this was from the Lord in order to cause them to err, and in order; to destroy them from off the face of the ground.
Jasher 9:29-30

And YHWH said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
1 Kings 22:22

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

Peace and evil are described in Hebrew mysticism as a being a fundamental part of reality, we can't destroy evil any more that we can destroy peace, we can only move toward one or the other.
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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2018, 09:47:08 pm »
Thorn in the Flesh…

     But scripture tells us that God opposes the proud.  (James 4:6) Now we know that Satan is all about destruction and death. (John 8:44) We must assume then that Satan’s purpose in giving the thorn to Paul was that of destruction.  Satan wanted to use the thorn in the flesh that he gave to Paul to draw Paul away from God and into death.  However, God had a different plan in mind.  Genesis 50:20 says, (HCSB) “You planned evil against me; God planned it for good to bring about the present result--the survival of many people.”  These words were  His strength is made perfect in our weakness but not just our weakness but the humility it takes to confess we are weak without Him.
Please explain how you get that from what I said...
Humility is the price of eye salve.

Weakness is not humility.

Humility can only be achieved by somebody who has been humbled by God.

You are adding to the word and portraying pride in the act of humility as if you can add to Jesus' strength.


When you said, "BUT not our weakness."

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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2018, 06:22:19 pm »
Lori, thanks for your hard work about Satan.  It surely helps others who read it know who they're fighting against.  You're right again!

I do also realize how important "works" are!  I am very appreciative of those Scriptures you found that deals with the subject.  Check out Rev. 20:13KJV.  God judges the remaining souls by their works, even those who were in the sea, in death, and hell.

What do you think about the Return of Jesus Christ being imminently soon?  It is something that I suppose that most people ponder these days.





great verse...thanks...

I don't think about His second coming as much as most it would seem.  Some time ago I came across Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
That passage kind of compels me to focus on the hear and now and doing what God has given me to do now rather than focus too much on His return.  Nonetheless, I do believe that His return is close at hand and I see the signs....so "Even so come Lord Jesus."  How awesome to be one of those that witness that coming! (Rev. 22:20)


Lori, I am trying to quit saying 'hon,' but it's taking a while.  I slip and do it.  I don't want to offend anyone. 

I do not desire the day of the Lord, except that it has to happen first before Jesus will return.  I have studied the subject quite a bit and I am looking forward to leaving the Earth and going to Heaven.  It will be hard when the Apocalypse happens, but many have to make it through it.

I am looking forward to Satan getting bound by chains and cast back into hell.  This Earth will be a wonderful place to live once everyone knows that no evil will be allowed by the Lord, and the meek shall live in peace for 1,000 years and even more.

Godspeed, Jesus!!

no offense and I was not trying to assert that you were desiring the day of the Lord just answering the question based on what God has shown me, nothing more or less.

Funny story...(long story) because of some of our youngest sons experiences he is running from God at the moment and calls himself an agnostic.  One day I asked him what he would do if his dad and I were raptured (just talking not opening debate about rapture that is a different time and place and purpose from the question asked)  My agnostic son said he would find all the money he could find in the house, find all the bibles he could get his hands on and go out and preach the gospel to the world.  I asked him what then was holding him back and he didn't have a good answer.  (He is just angry at God right now and where I know he is wrong and pray for him I do understand why he feels the way he does for those who want to judge him...again not saying you just preempting anyone who is reading and wants to make some arguments that are not warranted)

Anyway, I found his answer interesting and challenging when it comes to the second coming of our Lord and the shortness of the time at hand.  In fact, the shortness of the time is one of my husbands big discussions around here.



Lori, you must have a very spiritual husband and that is really excellent.  Your husband is wise to consider what he does.  It is soon, but I can't give you any details.  And I have to admit that I don't know when the Apocalypse or Jesus' returning will happen.  Only the Lord God knows.

Perhaps your son will get on the Peace Train soon!


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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2018, 08:48:40 am »
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From Genesis to Revelation we see that Satan is a deceiver.

Ignore the reason for the deception at your peril.

And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned(makr), and Allah too planned(makr), and the best of planners(makr) is Allah.
Quran 3:54
The word, makr in Arabic denotes a subtle and secret move or plan.

And the Lord knew their thoughts, and it came to pass when they were building they cast the arrows toward the heavens, and all the arrows fell upon them filled with blood, and when they saw them they said to each other, Surely we have slain all those that are in heaven.
For this was from the Lord in order to cause them to err, and in order; to destroy them from off the face of the ground.
Jasher 9:29-30

And YHWH said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
1 Kings 22:22

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

Peace and evil are described in Hebrew mysticism as a being a fundamental part of reality, we can't destroy evil any more that we can destroy peace, we can only move toward one or the other.
which is why the list includes how to make use of the tools God has given so that the enemy cannot deceive us...
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Re: The schemes of Satan
« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2018, 08:51:12 am »
Thorn in the Flesh…

     But scripture tells us that God opposes the proud.  (James 4:6) Now we know that Satan is all about destruction and death. (John 8:44) We must assume then that Satan’s purpose in giving the thorn to Paul was that of destruction.  Satan wanted to use the thorn in the flesh that he gave to Paul to draw Paul away from God and into death.  However, God had a different plan in mind.  Genesis 50:20 says, (HCSB) “You planned evil against me; God planned it for good to bring about the present result--the survival of many people.”  These words were  His strength is made perfect in our weakness but not just our weakness but the humility it takes to confess we are weak without Him.
Please explain how you get that from what I said...
Humility is the price of eye salve.

Weakness is not humility.

Humility can only be achieved by somebody who has been humbled by God.

You are adding to the word and portraying pride in the act of humility as if you can add to Jesus' strength.


When you said, "BUT not our weakness."
My intent was that our humility that allows us to confess we are weak is vital but I will work on a rewrite so it is clearer thanks.
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