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Author Topic: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation  (Read 3003 times)

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Billy Evmur

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Well you say I am confused. But you play scriptural hopscotch, you accept one line of scripture and then reject the next, this one, you say, is literal but this next one must be symbolic because it doesn't fit into my doctrine.

I accept it all...except where it is obviously a metaphor or parable, even then the truths taught are literal.

You say Israel is laid aside, I accept they are, the scripture clearly teaches it. But the very same passage of scripture which says they are now rejected says they will be accepted, now they are diminished but they will attain to fulness. They are now grafted out of their vine but they will be grafted back in.


So the upshot is Paul teaches "all Israel will be saved." why do you only accept half scriptures.

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Well you say I am confused. But you play scriptural hopscotch, you accept one line of scripture and then reject the next, this one, you say, is literal but this next one must be symbolic because it doesn't fit into my doctrine.

I accept it all...except where it is obviously a metaphor or parable, even then the truths taught are literal.

You say Israel is laid aside, I accept they are, the scripture clearly teaches it. But the very same passage of scripture which says they are now rejected says they will be accepted, now they are diminished but they will attain to fulness. They are now grafted out of their vine but they will be grafted back in.


So the upshot is Paul teaches "all Israel will be saved." why do you only accept half scriptures.


Billy: are you speaking to me or 'Scripter'.... I don't want to get in if you are arguing His points views

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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You are seeing D'ism when you read that is not in the text.

What it actually says is that those who are in now are there by faith.  That is, they are justified.  He quoted Isaiah about (his) now.

Nowhere in Romans or the NT does 'saved' mean a restored Israel.  There is no interest or concern about it that I know of.  They would like to have seen it miss the destructive events of the 6th decade, but it was pretty much inevitable, and then there was Dan 9.

To say information on the 1000 in Rev 20 is scant does not mean I'm jumping around with it.  Or around it.  It means there is too little info when compared with the NHNE which dates as far back as Isaiah. 

The 'restored Israel' episode you imagine was never known in the Reformation, and it was concocted by 2 guys who said the Bible did not make sense, even though they were standing at the end of 200 years of reformation teaching.  So they came up with their system or liked what they saw in Ribera's!  When they got done they unleashed more nonsense and conflict and discord than was ever in the Reformation. 

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The restored Israel has nothing to do with Schoffield or Darby, all the church fathers taught that at the last Israel would be brought in. Oh yes you jump about, you zing in on anything that shows Israel's fall, which none of us deny, but you are blind to all the prophets who ever spoke concerning Israel's restoration.

Much more importantly Paul taught it...in the very passages you quote to show their fall.

It was not known by the reformation because the RCC was anti semite [as are YOU] and this carried over, Luther was anti semite.

You fail to understand the promise to the seed from Abe's loin is the land, the ends of the earth, not heavenly, the heavenly promise is for the Christ seed which does include Abe, Ike and Jake.


God said to Abraham "count the stars, for numbers so shall your seed be" God also said "for number your seed shall be as sand on the seashore" The heavenly or spiritual and the earthly. The heavenly seed is Christ. 
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The restored Israel has nothing to do with Schoffield or Darby, all the church fathers taught that at the last Israel would be brought in. Oh yes you jump about, you zing in on anything that shows Israel's fall, which none of us deny, but you are blind to all the prophets who ever spoke concerning Israel's restoration.

Much more importantly Paul taught it...in the very passages you quote to show their fall.

It was not known by the reformation because the RCC was anti semite [as are YOU] and this carried over, Luther was anti semite.

You fail to understand the promise to the seed from Abe's loin is the land, the ends of the earth, not heavenly, the heavenly promise is for the Christ seed which does include Abe, Ike and Jake.


God said to Abraham "count the stars, for numbers so shall your seed be" God also said "for number your seed shall be as sand on the seashore" The heavenly or spiritual and the earthly. The heavenly seed is Christ.

Billy..2/3 of Israel will die during Jacob's trouble and He (God)will protect the other 1/3.


Zechariah 13:8-9 -" And it shall come to pass in all the land," Says the LORD, "That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one-third shall be left in it: I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, 'This is My people'; And each one will say, 'The LORD is my God.' "

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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So you keep saying dear Bade...later Zecharia speaks about Israel's restoration.

And Jremiah says Jacob will be saved, will be at peace, and none shall make him afraid, he will even be in prosperity for every man shall sit under his fig tree and under his vine.


All this in the time of Jacob's trouble.

Even Dan.12 states by open scripture that at that time of trouble Michael shall stand up for his people to deliver them.


WHY THEN is it called "Jacob's trouble"?


It is called Jacob's trouble because it is trouble coming upon the nations on account of Israel, it is the time of vengeance against Israel's enemies, the time of Israel's vindication. The time when Jerusalem will become a cup to make the nations reel.


Surely you see Zech.13. which speaks about "on that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleaness", when he speaks about the Shepherd being smitten and the sheep scattered he is speaking about Christ's first appearance and the cross.


But Zech.14 takes a different tack and is talking a day which is coming when

YES Jerusalem will be attacked and taken into captivity with women raped and houses rifled and half the city will go into captivity

verse 3.
THEN the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations as when He fought in the day of battle.

In chapter 13 He is punishing Israel and scattering them but then in chapter 14. He fights for them.


They are different prophecies concerning different events.
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So you keep saying dear Bade...later Zecharia speaks about Israel's restoration.

And Jremiah says Jacob will be saved, will be at peace, and none shall make him afraid, he will even be in prosperity for every man shall sit under his fig tree and under his vine.


All this in the time of Jacob's trouble.

Even Dan.12 states by open scripture that at that time of trouble Michael shall stand up for his people to deliver them.


WHY THEN is it called "Jacob's trouble"?


It is called Jacob's trouble because it is trouble coming upon the nations on account of Israel, it is the time of vengeance against Israel's enemies, the time of Israel's vindication. The time when Jerusalem will become a cup to make the nations reel.


Surely you see Zech.13. which speaks about "on that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleaness", when he speaks about the Shepherd being smitten and the sheep scattered he is speaking about Christ's first appearance and the cross.


But Zech.14 takes a different tack and is talking a day which is coming when

YES Jerusalem will be attacked and taken into captivity with women raped and houses rifled and half the city will go into captivity

verse 3.
THEN the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations as when He fought in the day of battle.

In chapter 13 He is punishing Israel and scattering them but then in chapter 14. He fights for them.


They are different prophecies concerning different events.


Isa is perhaps the best History of the Jewish people throughout the early times and the end times. Isa does not do anything in chronological order but Rev 6 onward is there. In Rev it is simply in chronological order.

How many times throughout History was Jerusalem held in captivity only to return to their land.  Many

How many times were the Jewish people placed in diaspora (dispersed) around the world, only to return to their land?  ONE- 1948

How many times has other ethtnic groups, countries, etc. been lost to diaspora and have been assimilated in the country they wound up in? Many  (i.e northern Jewish kingdom)

How many of these groups have come back to their country with their own identity as Israel has done. NONE

A remnant of the Jewish People will be saved but these people will all be believers that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD and is the Messiah. This is a big part of what Daniel's 70th week is for. To place the Jewish people (UP AGAINST the WALL) in order for them to understand just who Jesus really is.

2/3 of the population, as told to us in scriptures, WILL DIE!

The saved 1/3 will live during the "Kingdom of Heaven" or the Millennium.

anything specifically you would like to get down and explore?

Blade


1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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I have shown you where we disagree....
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I have shown you where we disagree....

After reading your last post two or three times; I have to say: Yes, we do disagree.

BUT what is in a minor disagreement! Nothing. Will catch you later Mr. Billy.

Have a great day!

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Billy is too old. He has no time for this forum. He has his own thing going on. God bless him.
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zzzzz eh? whut? who pushed my rocking chair? gimme back my blanket
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zzzzz eh? whut? who pushed my rocking chair? gimme back my blanket

LOL...Billy save me a rocker and a blanket too.

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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