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The exegesis flim flam...
« on: September 13, 2019, 03:22:34 pm »
  The flim flam of exegesis is that for anyone to get the meaning of a verse from the verse without any input from their mindset and unfiltered by existing ideas is on the order of Paul's conversion as a bright light and hearing GOD's voice.


Every interpretation of a verse is eisegesis, the fitting of the verse into previously accepted definitions.
No one is without a personal pov, a bias toward one truth or another... To claim to be above and beyond eisegesis is to claim to be 100% speaking the word of GOD, truly beyond a personal mindset and all personal ideological filters.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2020, 01:34:57 pm by patrick jane »
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Re: The exegesis flim flam...
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2019, 08:29:11 pm »
  The flim flam of exegesis is that for anyone to get the meaning of a verse from the verse without any input from their mindset and unfiltered by existing ideas is on the order of Paul's conversion as a bright light and hearing GOD's voice.


Every interpretation of a verse is eisegesis, the fitting of the verse into previously accepted definitions.
No one is without a personal pov, a bias toward one truth or another... To claim to be above and beyond eisegesis is to claim to be 100% speaking the word of GOD, truly beyond a personal mindset and all personal ideological filters.
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Which is why one needs to interpret by following rules of the road.

I read the Bible Literally, Historically, gramatically, etc.

Lets take your favorite...Romans 8:29..(KJV).."For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

 "For whom" is talking about Mankind/
"He"  is speaking of GOD/
"He also did predestinate": Jesus did something extra here other than just telling us he knew us in the past.   He predestinated those of us who HE chose with no reason given and no number of people given.

I'll stop there. God's Word is written for a small child's mind to wrap around  but deep enough for the best scholars to study for years.

How great is He that He can take a subject, let us say Paul. Here GOd takes a Saul, a hater of Jewish people, had commissioned a job where He would kille many of them... On the road, a white light appeared and blinded Saul...Through subsequent scenes, Saul became Paul, the greatest of all apologist and the Apostle to both Jew and gentile.

When Paul spoke, he spoke the words GOD inspired him to write. Through Paul, GOD's words tells us about Paul himself wile at the same time tells us the story of the Bible. The story of two marriages ending in everlasting life.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: The exegesis flim flam...
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2020, 01:19:26 am »
I argued against the use of exegesis as a form of finding an understanding of scriptures when in seminary.  I did not feel the method taught allowed a full examination of scriptures that could allow an understanding of them.  I am glad others feel this was scammish in nature.
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Re: The exegesis flim flam...
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2020, 12:00:12 pm »
He predestinated those of us who HE chose with no reason given...


This is a huge step up from the Calvinist position that there was no reason for our election (it was UNconditional) except HE liked the election of only some and not others.


Is it really such a blasphemy to think that we can know what HIS reason was by HIS later day revelation? That the reason depends upon our having had a pre-earth existence is also not a blasphemy against HIS goodness even though it is highly heretical in light of orthodoxy's commitment to both our being created on earth and to the blasphemy of our inherited sin from Adam. Heresy is against church doctrine so every sect today is heretical from one point of view or another.


PS
Your choice of font and the shadow box is highly distinctive but it is also almost unreadable. It is to your credit that I find in your thoughts the reason to force myself to dig beneath the surface details of appearance to understand the message...but it is a chore.



Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Re: The exegesis flim flam...
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2020, 06:44:43 pm »
He predestinated those of us who HE chose with no reason given...


This is a huge step up from the Calvinist position that there was no reason for our election (it was UNconditional) except HE liked the election of only some and not others.


Is it really such a blasphemy to think that we can know what HIS reason was by HIS later day revelation? That the reason depends upon our having had a pre-earth existence is also not a blasphemy against HIS goodness even though it is highly heretical in light of orthodoxy's commitment to both our being created on earth and to the blasphemy of our inherited sin from Adam. Heresy is against church doctrine so every sect today is heretical from one point of view or another.


PS
Your choice of font and the shadow box is highly distinctive but it is also almost unreadable. It is to your credit that I find in your thoughts the reason to force myself to dig beneath the surface details of appearance to understand the message...but it is a chore.

You said: "except HE liked the election of only some and not others."

Usually when someone tells me they know what GOD likes and dislikes, it is time to quite speaking with them.....You are no different.

Have a good day.

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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