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Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
« Reply #117 on: June 07, 2019, 07:54:33 am »
Lori....I did look at it and there was nothing there..If I remember correctly, you were trying to fit the two churches together so that the equality in one of them, Spiritual Church (Body/Bride of Christ) could also be used in the Brick and Mortar Church here on earth. This cannot be. [/quote] then you didn't read the study which I suspected...
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And something I think you are missing.... It is not a question of equality. God gave Man a role to play while on this earth and He also gave woman a
role while she was on this earth. One complements the other from both perspectives. The role for the Man was the administration/shepard of the Church here on earth. The role for the woman was motherhood and the teaching of young women and children.
The study said absolutely nothing at all about equality.....you really should address the study I presented rather than try to inflate your issues with modern lib movement onto me and my study.
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Nothing was said about the separation on Man and Woman in society outside of the church.  So, those women that stay within the limits of the church, will show a different lifestyle that other women in the world.
you still haven't shown that in the passage nor have you addressed the study I presented.
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Is this bad or good....Only GOD knows?
as per my recent posts, the understanding I have of the passage does nothing to question your understanding as LONG AS GOD HIMSELF keeps woman from leadership....so again, what is your fear about?
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I have and never will intend to hurt you or any woman. However, I will tell them like it is. It is the Lord's Law not mine. His Words are very emphatic about these commandments.
you have NOT shown it to be God's law until you show where my study went wrong....which you haven't even addressed my study at all yet
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Since you obviously didn't even look at the study, here it is again.....Here are my notes from a bigger study on the role of woman.....it probably leaves out some important things since I am trying to pick through it to only address the Timothy passage.  The whole study looks at submission too and what it means not only that but what Love looks like in all relationships and it has a very heavy lean on the marriage relationship/the Church's relationship as the bride of Christ.

I don't believe we can talk about women submitting to their husbands, without also touching on I Timothy 2:12 and I Corinthians 14:34.  Notice that in Titus, woman are to teach what is good, and then in Timothy and Corinthians, they are told not to teach.  This then either becomes a contradiction in Paul's teaching, or it is necessary to take a bit deeper look into Timothy and Corinthians.  The words here for teach and keeping silent, mirror the teaching in Titus.  In Timothy, the woman is told to not teach by usurping authority over the man.  This usurping is one who with his own hand kills another or self, acts on his own authority, is the absolute master. (Thayer's Lexicon)  If we read the text this way, then the teaching is in fact consistent with Titus, a woman can teach, but only with the authority given her by God, not an authority she forces upon others. (Mark 1:27; II Corinthians 2:17; I Thessalonians 2:4; Titus 2:15; I Peter 4:11) Now keep in mind, that woman were just given the power to be heirs, that is equals with men, this is a new power a new authority they do not know how to deal with, a teaching such as this would be very beneficial to woman and is also consistent with Galatians 3:18 (NIV) There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Likewise, in both passages, the command to keep silent is a word used to refer to a quietness of spirit, that is to keep the peace, don't stir trouble, meekness.  Now go back to I Peter 3:4 (NIV)  Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight.  Soon, we will look into the woman of noble character in Proverbs 31 and discover this theme, of a woman having authority, being strong and business like, working as equals along with men, but using that authority only with a quiet and gentle spirit is part of both Old Testament and New Testament teaching.

As I review this, it doesn't talk about the men and the likewise in the men which is also consistent with what I understand it is saying based on this study....have a look at how men with authority are to behave and compare that to what I see here about woman....I Timothy 2 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

They are to do so with  lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting...IN THE SAME WAY WOMEN...how can woman do it the same way if they are NOT to do it at all?

 

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