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Quote from: Bladerunner on May 20, 2019, 08:09:20 pm

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on May 20, 2019, 11:52:28 am

Blade...you have repeatedly been asked to look at and discuss the study of the passage with me and you refuse...in my book that removes any authority you might have had a one point when it comes to knowing what is being taught, IOW's what God is trying to communicate with us.  We are commanded to study to show ourselves approved...your refusing to study it says it all as far as I can tell...because you start out in disobedience.

Lori, You are right. I have no authority here or in any of the post I reply to or create. The authority is that of GOD.

and God says to study His word not listen to teachers who have agendas...which is why I asked for you to show me where I went wrong in my study...but you refused.

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You still want to study the verse and get opinions on what 1 Tim 2:12 actually says. It is pretty clear with out the need for further interpretation.

the only opinion I want is the one that God gives through a careful study of the passage, allowing scripture to interpret scripture for us....but you claimed that would draw me away from God and His word without ever explaining how...

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We can discuss the; who or what is Jesus speaking to in 1 TIM 1-6. We can have a bible study on the qualifications of Elders (Pastors, Bishops, Deacons, etc.).  No study is needed of 1 Tim 2:9-15

I have no doubt that shady teachers with shady agendas will continue to interpret those verses of 1 Tim 2:9-15 using hermeneutics other than that of literal interpretation. I had hoped you of all people would see that the Bible (KJV) is not a living book to be interpreted/changed through the eyes of any ole worldview.

so insults are better than studying the word of God....notice I want to study the scripture in light of the totality of scripture which has absolutely nothing to do with teachers with shady anything unless you are calling God shady which I don't believe you are intending to do and all you do is criticize why?  When did wanting to study scripture not man's ideas of what scripture says become in your mind a shady thing?

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A bible study for you:

In ancient times, the rules of the church/ synagogue were different and had not changed for thousands of years. Women were not welcome in these places of worship.

Then when 'The Age of the Church' began, all the present day rules for both the male and female were changed and they were changed for the better. In 1 Tim 1-6, Jesus is speaking to Tim about his role as a pastor and tells him and us the rules He expects for the Pastors (Elders, Bishops, etc) of all churches to follow. He tells us who is to lead public prayer (the male). He also in Chapter 3 gives us the qualifications of the leaders of the Church.

Then He does something wonderful. He gives us the role of the woman in the church. Up until this time,the woman was second class. Now, She is equal to the Male, both with different individual roles to be played throughout our lifetimes.

Yet, in the post modern world, many women are not satisfied with the role God has laid out for them. They had rather show to the world they can assume the male role and become a force to be reckoned with (using some expressions of active feminist).

Up until recently, feminism stayed in the Business world. Today, even in the last bastion considered to follow the Word of GOD, the Southern Baptist Convention is deliberating new roles of the female within the Church doctrine. 

NOTE: for those who do not know, the SBC is the head of several Baptist Churches that adhere, subscribe and follow the Biblical doctrine as set forth by the leaders of the SBC.

To me, as a Literalist with a Historical and Grammatical Hermeneutics, GOD's WORDs in 1 Tim 2: 9-15 were self-explanatory and have not change in some 2000 years.

First this is all history not Biblical study...second...as per the study I did, and I don't know how you are still missing this about me, but here it is again...I have no problem with woman not being in leadership in the church but as I study the passage in light of the totality of scripture I do NOT see this passage as teaching that...as I see it in light of the totality of scripture this particular passage is teaching something else...we can (as the last videos posted show) get to that conclusion another way...but not through this passage...but then again, one would have to be brave enough to study it for themselves rather than relying on shady teachers to understand that NOTHING at all in what I am saying is advocating woman in leadership in the church only that I Tim. is NOT talking about that....

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Lori, it is also clear you are trying to justify following a path that is not within the parameters set forth in 1 Tim 1-5 by our Lord Jesus Christ.

I urge you to come back to the fold and follow and be obedient to His Commandments in 1 Tim 2:9-15.

Again, I offer no authority on these verses. 1 Tim 1-5 are HIS WORD(s). They are on HIS Authority.

Blade[/shadow]

Blade...this is insulting to say the least...especially since all I am asking is that you go over the study I did and show me where I got it wrong...at worst it's judgmental and false accusations and you should be ashamed.