Author Topic: The dangers of woman keeping silent... (Read 3160 times)

guest8 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 02, 2019, 08:19:12 pm »

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 02, 2019, 08:31:39 am

Quote from: Bladerunner on April 01, 2019, 09:55:48 pm
Quote from: patrick jane on April 01, 2019, 01:13:35 pm
Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 01, 2019, 12:53:46 pm
Quote from: patrick jane on April 01, 2019, 11:08:30 am
God gives us authority and power, the power of God unto salvation. It comes from doing what is good in the sight of God and doing what is right; standing up and speaking out against evil and wrongdoing. The phrase "In like manner" only means to do likewise what he just told the men. To live a quiet, peaceful honest life with godliness.
exactly....so why would we then change the meaning to being silent in church when the teaching is the same for the men as it is for the woman...to be quiet and peaceful? Context, context, context.
I just heard in the last 8 to 10 months that many Bible scholars truly believe that Paul did NOT write 2 Timothy. Claims are that those writings and church instructions were written some 200 years later. To be honest, the Holy Spirit guides me every time I read scripture and I graze over some things that don't feel right or seem right for the current age we live in. We can't place every word of scripture into modern times and social instruction.

PJ.. You said: " We can't place every word of scripture into modern times and social instruction..

The Bible was not written to adapt itself to modern times or used for modern social instruction. Those words in 1 Tim 2:9-15 were for the Church at Ephesus and still apply today in our modern society churches as they were then. Yet, many modern churches throw them out in favor of modern worldviews.

2 Tim was written when Paul was in prison for the 2nd time in Rome. This was around 65AD. When you read it, you find that Paul is asking Timothy to come a visit him in the prison. While it may have taken until the turn of the century to become well known, it indeed was written in the middle 60s AD.

2 Tim 3:16.."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

Could it be this verse that prompts those who want to remove God from society and discredit the Bible by discrediting Paul's Epistles or Could it be the verses below?

2 Tim 3:2-5.."For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, V3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, V4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; V5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

If anything, God's WORD in 1st and 2nd Timothy hit a bullseye on today's modern society. God already knew what was going to happen and He put it in prophecy and words so that we could read it and make a decision.

One must be very careful when deciding to reject God's Word, each subsequent verse, chapter, book(s) gets easier until His words mean nothing.

Blade

seems to me that a biblical scholar would consider what a passage was saying to the immediate audience then use that same message to inform us today in our modern culture.

For example, rather than reading modern feminism into the passage we should read the passage as the people of the day would have understood it and then take that same less to the feminists rather than allowing the feminists to interpret it for us.

Hi Lori..You said: "............would consider what a passage was saying to the immediate audience then use that same message to inform us today in our modern culture."

*what I am reading works both ways. I am telling everyone I can that WORD of GOD is the only rules there are. Either follow them or NOT!

*The other way is to tell everyone what He was saying to the immediate audience and then translated this to how it affects the modern age.?

***********

"For example, rather than reading modern feminism into the passage we should read the passage as the people of the day would have understood it and then take that same less to the feminists rather than allowing the feminists to interpret it for us."

Does "Less" mean lesson? If this is the case, (we) are trying as much as I have tried with you and 1 Tim 2:9-15. Do they listen,,, NO! Did you listen, I hope so?

Lori, we are all GOD's children and in the end, it is His rules. Since He has not rewritten the Bible and certified that it was from Him, we are stuck with the old rules if we are to follow the road to righteousness in GOD's eye.

I will suggest a different version of the Bible. One that has the proven Word of God within its pages. (KJV, 1611). It will only make it easier to follow as it has none of the modern day translations that tend to let people down the road to apostasy.

I do hope you have a great evening. Is pretty but cold here today!

Blade

guest24 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 03, 2019, 07:45:45 am »

Hi Lori..You said: "............would consider what a passage was saying to the immediate audience then use that same message to inform us today in our modern culture."

*what I am reading works both ways. I am telling everyone I can that WORD of GOD is the only rules there are. Either follow them or NOT!

*The other way is to tell everyone what He was saying to the immediate audience and then translated this to how it affects the modern age.?

***********

"For example, rather than reading modern feminism into the passage we should read the passage as the people of the day would have understood it and then take that same less to the feminists rather than allowing the feminists to interpret it for us."

Does "Less" mean lesson? If this is the case, (we) are trying as much as I have tried with you and 1 Tim 2:9-15. Do they listen,,, NO! Did you listen, I hope so?

Lori, we are all GOD's children and in the end, it is His rules. Since He has not rewritten the Bible and certified that it was from Him, we are stuck with the old rules if we are to follow the road to righteousness in GOD's eye.

I will suggest a different version of the Bible. One that has the proven Word of God within its pages. (KJV, 1611). It will only make it easier to follow as it has none of the modern day translations that tend to let people down the road to apostasy.

I do hope you have a great evening. Is pretty but cold here today!

Blade
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Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority, etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like a status symbol (sort of)

So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting the teaching to the church.

So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something we don't like?

We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.

guest8 · « **Reply #54 on:** April 03, 2019, 07:41:15 pm »

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 03, 2019, 07:45:45 am

Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority, etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like a status symbol (sort of)

So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting the teaching to the church.

So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something we don't like?

We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.

Lori.. You said:"Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of today."

I apologize if you think I am reacting to the feminism of today. I was trying to react to your questions and statements.

You said"So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. ........in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting the teaching to the church.."

Lori, there is a lot of difference in the "open Theology" you are touting and the Literal, Historical, Grammatical Theology, I have been trying to get you to see.

The following is the words of Pinnock, "Systemic Theology, in the Openness of GOD..p103

"Two models of God in particular are the most influential that people commonly carry around in their minds. We may think of God primarily as an aloof monarch, removed from the contingencies of the world, unchangeable in every aspect of being, as an all determining and irresistible power, aware of everything that will ever happen and never taking risks. Or we may understand God as a caring parent with qualities of love and responsiveness, generosity and sensitivity, openness and vulnerability, a person (rather than a metaphysical principle) who experiences the world, responds to what happens, relates to us and interacts dynamically with humans. . . . God is sovereign in both models, but the mode of his sovereignty differs. . . . In this book we are advancing the second, or the open, view of God."

He then writes:"“What we are really doing is conducting a competition between models of God.” Anyone interested in a true picture of God is not interested in such a competition. He only wants to know the truth about God presented in the Bible".

He said it I did not... Do you want a true picture of GOD? If NOT, then there are many books, videos, forums that have an "Open Theology". The NIV version you already use is perfect for this type of theology..?

If Yes, then you need to accept the WORD of GOD as written historically, grammatically and literally. I would suggest the KJV for this type of hermenutics.

God or His Word has not change since the beginning, but man's view of God and His Word have and are changing more each day?

You do have a choice LORI....you know the stakes!

Yes, this morning, it was chilly, pushing the dirt but it did warm up to about 68 this afternoon.

Have a good evening and please make that choice soon. One never knows when their personal Rapture will happen.

Blade

guest24 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 04, 2019, 08:20:45 am »

Quote from: Bladerunner on April 03, 2019, 07:41:15 pm

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 03, 2019, 07:45:45 am

Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority, etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like a status symbol (sort of)

So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting the teaching to the church.

So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something we don't like?

We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.

Lori.. You said:"Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of today."

I apologize if you think I am reacting to the feminism of today. I was trying to react to your questions and statements.

You said"So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. ........in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting the teaching to the church.."

Lori, there is a lot of difference in the "open Theology" you are touting and the Literal, Historical, Grammatical Theology, I have been trying to get you to see.

The following is the words of Pinnock, "Systemic Theology, in the Openness of GOD..p103

"Two models of God in particular are the most influential that people commonly carry around in their minds. We may think of God primarily as an aloof monarch, removed from the contingencies of the world, unchangeable in every aspect of being, as an all determining and irresistible power, aware of everything that will ever happen and never taking risks. Or we may understand God as a caring parent with qualities of love and responsiveness, generosity and sensitivity, openness and vulnerability, a person (rather than a metaphysical principle) who experiences the world, responds to what happens, relates to us and interacts dynamically with humans. . . . God is sovereign in both models, but the mode of his sovereignty differs. . . . In this book we are advancing the second, or the open, view of God."

He then writes:"“What we are really doing is conducting a competition between models of God.” Anyone interested in a true picture of God is not interested in such a competition. He only wants to know the truth about God presented in the Bible".

He said it I did not... Do you want a true picture of GOD? If NOT, then there are many books, videos, forums that have an "Open Theology". The NIV version you already use is perfect for this type of theology..?

If Yes, then you need to accept the WORD of GOD as written historically, grammatically and literally. I would suggest the KJV for this type of hermenutics.

God or His Word has not change since the beginning, but man's view of God and His Word have and are changing more each day?

You do have a choice LORI....you know the stakes!

Yes, this morning, it was chilly, pushing the dirt but it did warm up to about 68 this afternoon.

Have a good evening and please make that choice soon. One never knows when their personal Rapture will happen.

Blade

I have made the choice which is why I reject what men are saying over actually studying the word of God for myself. How do you not see that...you presented a video that "teaches" what man understands about the passage and I challenge it based on what scripture says about it. Obviously I choose understanding God of the Bible based on what God of the Bible tells us about Himself over what man teaches. It's a passion I have always had and gets me in a lot of trouble from the standpoint of traditionally held views like the one we are discussing.

guest8 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 04, 2019, 07:14:55 pm »

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 04, 2019, 08:20:45 am

Quote from: Bladerunner on April 03, 2019, 07:41:15 pm
Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 03, 2019, 07:45:45 am

Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority, etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like a status symbol (sort of)

So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting the teaching to the church.

So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something we don't like?

We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.

Lori.. You said:"Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of today."

I apologize if you think I am reacting to the feminism of today. I was trying to react to your questions and statements.

You said"So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. ........in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting the teaching to the church.."

Lori, there is a lot of difference in the "open Theology" you are touting and the Literal, Historical, Grammatical Theology, I have been trying to get you to see.

The following is the words of Pinnock, "Systemic Theology, in the Openness of GOD..p103

"Two models of God in particular are the most influential that people commonly carry around in their minds. We may think of God primarily as an aloof monarch, removed from the contingencies of the world, unchangeable in every aspect of being, as an all determining and irresistible power, aware of everything that will ever happen and never taking risks. Or we may understand God as a caring parent with qualities of love and responsiveness, generosity and sensitivity, openness and vulnerability, a person (rather than a metaphysical principle) who experiences the world, responds to what happens, relates to us and interacts dynamically with humans. . . . God is sovereign in both models, but the mode of his sovereignty differs. . . . In this book we are advancing the second, or the open, view of God."

He then writes:"“What we are really doing is conducting a competition between models of God.” Anyone interested in a true picture of God is not interested in such a competition. He only wants to know the truth about God presented in the Bible".

He said it I did not... Do you want a true picture of GOD? If NOT, then there are many books, videos, forums that have an "Open Theology". The NIV version you already use is perfect for this type of theology..?

If Yes, then you need to accept the WORD of GOD as written historically, grammatically and literally. I would suggest the KJV for this type of hermenutics.

God or His Word has not change since the beginning, but man's view of God and His Word have and are changing more each day?

You do have a choice LORI....you know the stakes!

Yes, this morning, it was chilly, pushing the dirt but it did warm up to about 68 this afternoon.

Have a good evening and please make that choice soon. One never knows when their personal Rapture will happen.

Blade

I have made the choice which is why I reject what men are saying over actually studying the word of God for myself. How do you not see that...you presented a video that "teaches" what man understands about the passage and I challenge it based on what scripture says about it. Obviously I choose understanding God of the Bible based on what God of the Bible tells us about Himself over what man teaches. It's a passion I have always had and gets me in a lot of trouble from the standpoint of traditionally held views like the one we are discussing.

Your choice, Open Theism is the "IN" thing to do these days.

Lori, I do wish you well and hope that you find what you are looking for?

My prayers are with you, hoping you find your way back to the True WORD of GOD!

Blade

guest24 · « **Reply #57 on:** April 05, 2019, 08:53:35 am »

Quote from: Bladerunner on April 04, 2019, 07:14:55 pm

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 04, 2019, 08:20:45 am
Quote from: Bladerunner on April 03, 2019, 07:41:15 pm
Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 03, 2019, 07:45:45 am

Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority, etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like a status symbol (sort of)

So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting the teaching to the church.

So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something we don't like?

We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.

Lori.. You said:"Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of today."

I apologize if you think I am reacting to the feminism of today. I was trying to react to your questions and statements.

You said"So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. ........in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting the teaching to the church.."

Lori, there is a lot of difference in the "open Theology" you are touting and the Literal, Historical, Grammatical Theology, I have been trying to get you to see.

The following is the words of Pinnock, "Systemic Theology, in the Openness of GOD..p103

"Two models of God in particular are the most influential that people commonly carry around in their minds. We may think of God primarily as an aloof monarch, removed from the contingencies of the world, unchangeable in every aspect of being, as an all determining and irresistible power, aware of everything that will ever happen and never taking risks. Or we may understand God as a caring parent with qualities of love and responsiveness, generosity and sensitivity, openness and vulnerability, a person (rather than a metaphysical principle) who experiences the world, responds to what happens, relates to us and interacts dynamically with humans. . . . God is sovereign in both models, but the mode of his sovereignty differs. . . . In this book we are advancing the second, or the open, view of God."

He then writes:"“What we are really doing is conducting a competition between models of God.” Anyone interested in a true picture of God is not interested in such a competition. He only wants to know the truth about God presented in the Bible".

He said it I did not... Do you want a true picture of GOD? If NOT, then there are many books, videos, forums that have an "Open Theology". The NIV version you already use is perfect for this type of theology..?

If Yes, then you need to accept the WORD of GOD as written historically, grammatically and literally. I would suggest the KJV for this type of hermenutics.

God or His Word has not change since the beginning, but man's view of God and His Word have and are changing more each day?

You do have a choice LORI....you know the stakes!

Yes, this morning, it was chilly, pushing the dirt but it did warm up to about 68 this afternoon.

Have a good evening and please make that choice soon. One never knows when their personal Rapture will happen.

Blade

I have made the choice which is why I reject what men are saying over actually studying the word of God for myself. How do you not see that...you presented a video that "teaches" what man understands about the passage and I challenge it based on what scripture says about it. Obviously I choose understanding God of the Bible based on what God of the Bible tells us about Himself over what man teaches. It's a passion I have always had and gets me in a lot of trouble from the standpoint of traditionally held views like the one we are discussing.

Your choice, Open Theism is the "IN" thing to do these days.

Lori, I do wish you well and hope that you find what you are looking for?

My prayers are with you, hoping you find your way back to the True WORD of GOD!

Blade

I'm confused...why do you think that studying the word of God rather than accepting what man says it says is OPEN THEISM? I don't get it....

guest24 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 05, 2019, 09:57:11 am »

Bladerunner...if studying scripture and allowing God to interpret it for us is OPEN THEISM...what theology do you hold to and why do you think it is superior over allowing God to interpret it for us?

guest8 · « **Reply #59 on:** April 05, 2019, 11:15:05 am »

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 05, 2019, 09:57:11 am

Bladerunner...if studying scripture and allowing God to interpret it for us is OPEN THEISM...what theology do you hold to and why do you think it is superior over allowing God to interpret it for us?

Not sure what you are talking about?

Allowing GOD to interpret it for us?

In your words, how does he do that?

Example, I read His WORD as Literal taking into account the Historical and Grammatical context.

Do you mean, You read something and it pops up in your head as to what it means?

Here is a short video of a better explanation of Open Theism. There are many and please do explore what they have to say. It does affect you.

Blade

guest24 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 05, 2019, 11:33:53 am »

Blade....I have openly talked about how I study scripture....I have no less than 8 different checks and balances to make sure I do not miss what God is trying to say to us through His word. I honestly don't put much stock in what man thinks God is which is why I said we should take it straight from God and yet you are still trying to get me to listen to man's words...why do you think man's ideas trump what scripture says?

guest24 · « **Reply #61 on:** April 05, 2019, 11:39:23 am »

Quote from: Bladerunner on April 05, 2019, 11:15:05 am

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 05, 2019, 09:57:11 am
Bladerunner...if studying scripture and allowing God to interpret it for us is OPEN THEISM...what theology do you hold to and why do you think it is superior over allowing God to interpret it for us?

Not sure what you are talking about?

Allowing GOD to interpret it for us?

In your words, how does he do that?

Example, I read His WORD as Literal taking into account the Historical and Grammatical context.

Do you mean, You read something and it pops up in your head as to what it means?

Here is a short video of a better explanation of Open Theism. There are many and please do explore what they have to say. It does affect you.

Blade

I have no idea how you think this applies to whether we listen to man or God to understand God other than to say that we should participate in our salvation....as in work out your salvation command in scripture.

patrick jane · « **Reply #62 on:** April 05, 2019, 01:37:30 pm »

Lori, how can we not listen to what man says about God and scripture. Do you think that if you lived alone and stranded on an island, never heard of God or Jesus or the Bible before ever and then somebody dropped a Bible down. Could you read it and "figure everything out"? I've been reading this thread and I still don't know what your point is. What "answer" are you looking for and please state your purpose.

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guest8 · « **Reply #63 on:** April 05, 2019, 11:02:39 pm »

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 05, 2019, 11:39:23 am

Quote from: Bladerunner on April 05, 2019, 11:15:05 am
Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 05, 2019, 09:57:11 am
Bladerunner...if studying scripture and allowing God to interpret it for us is OPEN THEISM...what theology do you hold to and why do you think it is superior over allowing God to interpret it for us?

Not sure what you are talking about?

Allowing GOD to interpret it for us?

In your words, how does he do that?

Example, I read His WORD as Literal taking into account the Historical and Grammatical context.

Do you mean, You read something and it pops up in your head as to what it means?

Here is a short video of a better explanation of Open Theism. There are many and please do explore what they have to say. It does affect you.

Blade
I have no idea how you think this applies to whether we listen to man or God to understand God other than to say that we should participate in our salvation....as in work out your salvation command in scripture.

John 3:16.."For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Lori..on the verse above you probably know by heart, I have a question for you.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone should not perish but have everlasting life.

One of these is God's Word and One is NOT...? Do you see it....Do you see the conditioner that is removed from one.... Many people, churches, etc do remove the conditioner.

Whosoever Believed in HIM (his Son) will have (ever lasting life).

This is the difference in what you are asking me to describe.

One is the Interpretation of Man reading the Bible (maybe God's word) as how it would fit today's society values and such.

One is the Interpretation of God's Word by man reading it literally.

God loved the world: He gave His only Son: He will supply everlasting Life for those and only those that believe in His Son Jesus Christ.

1 Tim 2:11..is no difference. It is GOD's word and the way I read it is the same way it is written...."Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection."

By taking this verse out of context in the verses 9-15, one winds up with just this verse.

If you take it all in context, GOD is telling women how he 'wants' them to act in the Church (brick and mortar).

In the end, If you do not follow His word, you will likely disobey Him and that is not a sign of true salvation.

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guest24 · « **Reply #64 on:** April 06, 2019, 11:07:06 am »

Quote from: patrick jane on April 05, 2019, 01:37:30 pm

Lori, how can we not listen to what man says about God and scripture. Do you think that if you lived alone and stranded on an island, never heard of God or Jesus or the Bible before ever and then somebody dropped a Bible down. Could you read it and "figure everything out"? I've been reading this thread and I still don't know what your point is. What "answer" are you looking for and please state your purpose.

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Some years ago, God called me to study the word of God not the words of man who want to tell me who they think God is. As a result (as per this thread) I studied this passage in Timothy and found some definite discrepancies between what it says and what man says it says. As per one of many checks I put on my study I want to open that understanding to challenge. So my goal is to discuss the discrepancies I found and discuss them in light of the totality of scripture, going off the idea that scripture interprets scripture. I'm thinking that is never going to happen and so maybe it's time for this discussion to be done.

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