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The curse...
« on: June 13, 2019, 11:02:03 am »
What is the curse and why do we try to do away with it at all costs?  How can we do away with the curse?

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Re: The curse...
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2019, 12:21:35 pm »
What is the curse and why do we try to do away with it at all costs?  How can we do away with the curse?
The curse is the law and we do actually try to avoid it perhaps. However, it WAS a curse but no longer is.








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Re: The curse...
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2019, 12:32:37 pm »
What is the curse and why do we try to do away with it at all costs?  How can we do away with the curse?
The curse is the law and we do actually try to avoid it perhaps. However, it WAS a curse but no longer is.







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what makes you say the law is the curse?  Most people go with the weeds or pain in child birth or something along that line.
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Re: The curse...
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2019, 02:19:35 pm »
What is the curse and why do we try to do away with it at all costs?  How can we do away with the curse?


The curse: Having to live a life of suffering on earth as a human with the demonic non-elect. Eve's curse was an increase in sorrow for childbirth and a great increase in conception;  Strong's Concordance: 6093. itstsabon - sorrow, toil. From atsab; worrisomeness, ie, Labor or pain -- sorrow, toil.

Eve, the very real person in the garden, was either the type for the first elect to idolize the Stanic over the call for the judgement against them by GOD or was the actual first person to sin this sin of idolatry.  I believe that this attitude is expressed by her accepting the serpent as her mentor or even as a pastor before her eyes were opened to her sin and his evil. Because of her example many followed her so she has to bear the weight of knowing she helped Satan seduce many into sin...an immediate consequence of which was having to be kept in Sheol and born into the earth as human to live with the tares.

Since she did not accept YHWH's contention she was sinning by what she was doing in this decision as her eyes were not open yet and she was not ashamed (she probably thought she was loving her satanic friends to keep then from judgment this way), having her eyes opened to her sin also opened her to the destruction she had cause for so many others, a great sorrow brought to bear with every new birth of another sinner.

I contend these verses reflect that her sorrow was increased by all the folk that she was responsible for who followed her into her sin and birth on earth under the curse of a life with evil as she forced the postponement of the judgement until all the sinful elect were sanctified: Matt 13:29 ‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest.     

As for doing away with it? Death is the only way out. Of course, my friends and I talk about going on the high road, dedication to sinlessness in Christ, as opposed to the low road, living in sin while GOD takes us thru the painful discipline of Heb 12:5-11.


The pain of the curse of Adam and Eve is the pain of being trained in righteousness by life of every one of GOD's legitimate human children.



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Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: The curse...
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2019, 02:57:21 pm »
What is the curse and why do we try to do away with it at all costs?  How can we do away with the curse?
The curse is the law and we do actually try to avoid it perhaps. However, it WAS a curse but no longer is.







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O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



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Re: The curse...
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2019, 12:30:00 am »
What is the curse and why do we try to do away with it at all costs?  How can we do away with the curse?
Of course there is the original curse of child birth and working the land etc. I have a great video on this from a philosophical and Biblical approach. Starting right after the curse mankind started up civilizations to basically reduce the curse as much as possible. We can't get rid of it in my opinion. Listen to this, it's only 7 minutes.

Augmented Reality and Civilization - It Goes Way Back


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Re: The curse...
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2019, 08:21:26 am »
I have always been extremely allergic to various chemicals.  The condition is known as MCS or multiple chemical sensitivity.  It is rarely recognized by the medical profession as a real condition.  One of the chemicals I am extremely allergic to is found in Round Up weed killer.  To give you a slight idea of what my life is like, one evening I shook the pastors hand.  I became so sick that I was in bed for a week with my respiratory, circulatory, and digestive systems all trying to shut down.  When we traced it back, he had touched dried Round Up and thought he had washed his hands well enough but didn't. There was enough on him and enough that transferred onto me that I was that sick.

There is a point to my story, so please bare with me.  Other chemicals that are found in things that give me similar reactions are found in inks, so I can't get the mail....in hand soaps, so no going to the bathroom when out or going into stores and restaurants...lately I have noticed that the new money has chemicals that cause me to get very ill....even if a neighbor is spraying something and the wind blows, I can get deathly ill.

So one day as I was frustrated at all of this and trying to figure out how to deal with it, I was reminded of the curse.  All these chemicals that threaten my life, are there to try to do away with the curse.  We don't like the weeds that God cursed the ground with because of Adam's sin and so we try to remove the curse with chemicals.  Instead....we should be using the curse to remind us of how far we are from God and how important living in His righteousness really is.  A constant, everyday reminder and instead of allowing it to remind us, we try to destory it even at great cost to our health, environment, etc.

Just something to think about.

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What is the curse and why do we try to do away with it at all costs?  How can we do away with the curse?
The curse is the law and we do actually try to avoid it perhaps. However, it WAS a curse but no longer is.
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what makes you say the law is the curse?  Most people go with the weeds or pain in child birth or something along that line.
Wouldn't it be because of this?

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree"—that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Gal 3:10-14
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2019, 09:46:23 pm »
What is the curse and why do we try to do away with it at all costs?  How can we do away with the curse?
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what makes you say the law is the curse?  Most people go with the weeds or pain in child birth or something along that line.
Wouldn't it be because of this?

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree"—that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Gal 3:10-14
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Re: The curse...
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2019, 06:32:00 am »
The law per se is not a curse, but our failure to continue in everything written in the law, in other words our disobedience to the law. This is what brings the curse of the law.

Sin, sickness, poetry, problems … all listed in Leviticus 28.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law.

He didn't redeem us from the BLESSING that followed obedience to the law, also listed in Leviticus 28.

Pardon, healing, prosperity, solutions, peace etc etc.

Those things are ours [or ought to be]
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2019, 11:30:51 am »
Good post.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2019, 05:59:23 am »
Good post.
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