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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2021, 03:45:07 pm »
Nah... not gonna play your silly game Lori.  You can flip and flop.  You can cut and paste.  You can mince, slice and dice... but-

THE PASSAGE-- the whole chapter, the beginning, the salt, the light, and everything that follows is given to highlight the difference between those that follow his teaching and those that follow those teachers of the law.  This and every parable.  "You have been taught.... BUT I SAY...."

The things you've claimed I said, what?  Five times now?  -I never said.  I never said the beatitudes were the law.  I never said the law was the salt.

I said the PASSAGE-- the whole thing... is ABOUT the law.  If you can't see it you can't see it.  And if you don't see it what it's about, why do you presume to teach others about things you don't see, much less understand?  You don't see because you won't look.  You don't understand because you won't consider.

So it is.
It seems to me that many men on this and other forums do not understand the difference between study and teaching. What Lori has done here is study and share with very little commentary (at the request of another poster). If you have a problem with her studying then admit it. However, I suggest that you reread Luke 10:38-42 where Jesus teaches Martha that learning from Him is better and it will not be taken from her. Too many men, in their pride desire to teach and presume that others want to teach as well. Lori simply wants to learn from Jesus and discuss with other believers His teaching. The entire Sermon on the Mount is about the law this is true but Lori states in her subject heading that she is studying parables of Jesus bit by bit. One of the basics of Exegesis is to begin in the pericope first and then move out to the broader context. If you do it the other way around you can read theology into a passage that is not discussed there but elsewhere. Just a hint by the way. It is much better to ask a question directly that you want to discuss rather than being obtuse about the intent of your fishing expedition.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2021, 07:46:24 pm »
WONDERFUL!!!

The husband.  Often mentioned, never before seen.  Why don't you grow a pair (if Lori would permit) and create a profile.  I'd LOVE to talk with you.

Are you saying Lori is akin to Mary, or Martha?
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2021, 06:37:14 am »
WONDERFUL!!!

The husband.  Often mentioned, never before seen.  Why don't you grow a pair (if Lori would permit) and create a profile.  I'd LOVE to talk with you.

Are you saying Lori is akin to Mary, or Martha?
actually he was on the other forum for a while...he doesn't have time and predicted you would make such stupid claims simply because he is too busy to post...in fact, he often rants about some of you all and not having time to deal with such false teachers as you...personally, I wouldn't go that far with you but then again, maybe he is onto something.

As to "growing a pair" he is more man than you will ever be since he is determined to grow more and more like Christ and less and less like the world that told you to make such a claim.

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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2021, 01:10:33 pm »
Moving forward instead of giving into the yeast of the Pharisees...

The Law Fulfilled...
Matthew 5:17 “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

   As the salt of the earth, the disciples were taught to live Christ but also to speak the gospel with compassion, grace, mercy.  In other words, to not only live Christ but to allow their speech to reflect Christ because they were ambassadors for Christ.  As light, the theme was kind of continued.  They are the only Christ some people will see as the saying goes. They need to make sure that their lives are reflecting the light of Christ to the Jews first and then the Gentiles.  From there, Jesus begins to compare the need to live as an example of truth to the law, especially the Scribes and Pharisees.
   He begins by pointing out that He didn’t come to destroy the law but rather to fulfill it. So many people want to do away with the law, (which we will talk about in more detail in a moment) while failing to understand that Jesus is commanding the people who follow Him to fulfill the law as well.  LOVE that is what fulfills the law.  We like to focus on the details of the law when Love is what sums it all up so that we no longer have to focus all our attention on being righteous and instead can focus our attention on being like Christ.  (Galatians 5:14; Matthew 7:12; Matthew 22:40; Romans 13:10; Galatians 6:2)  When we Love like Christ Loved, we are fulfilling the very law we try to argue about.
   Quick side note and anyone who knows much about me knows that my studies are all flowing out of Biblical, agape Love therefore I want to take a moment to insert the best definition we can find for this Love.  (the chapter on this definition is available upon request, complete with scripture)  Love is putting another above self in an act of humility, creating a covenant whose intent/purpose is reconciliation/restoration.  Thus when talking about Love fulfilling the law, this is the Love we are talking about.
   So, back to our study.  Next, Jesus talks about the preservation of the law.  There are many people today that want to remove parts of the Bible and they have all kinds of reasons, some even sound righteous and noble, but at the end of the day, if we believe what Jesus is teaching, the law/scripture will not fade or be changed.  (II Timothy 3:16; Deuteronomy 29:29; Romans 15:4; II Peter 1:20-21)
   Thus we come to the conclusion that obedience is what makes us great n the Kingdom of God...but there is a bit more to it than that.  This is why it is important to guard our hearts in Christ Jesus.  (Proverbs 4:23; Matthew 12:34; Matthew 15:18-19)  When we guard our hearts, making sure they are right with God, we have peace and that peace allows us to live out what we claim to believe….in the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit (another study another time)  Philippians 4:7-9 tells us that we need to be the reflection of Christ while the peace of God guards us.  So how do we acquire this peace?  Through setting our minds on God because this is a man that trusts God. (Isaiah 26:3) But peace also comes through determination to not be afraid., (John 14:27)  Peace comes when we allow the peace of Christ to rule our lives. (Colossians 3:15)  Allowing Christ to be Lord of our lives is our calling.  This is something we need to be diligent about.   It is diligence that is approved by God and looks like humility, gentleness, patience, and Love.  Living Christ is to NOT argue or fight over words, to teach truth and to avoid empty speech.  (Ephesians 4:1-6; II Timothy 2:15; II Timothy 2:14-16)
   The final admonition here is to NOT be like the Pharisees.  To give a few things that the Pharisees are or did that we are not to do if we are the salt and light of the world are to not do what they do, the Pharisees were hypocrites saying one thing but living out something else.  They put heavy loads on the shoulders of the people with rituals and legalism.  The Pharisee’s attention seekers, observing others for the purpose of setting traps or judging them.  They sought attention, honor, and power.  The Pharisees were actively responsible for keeping others out of the Kingdom, refusing to enter into the rest of Christ and at the same time preventing others from entering.  They devoured widows with their demands, offered long showy prayers, and make converts that resulted in them becoming more worthless to the Kingdom than they were before.  They were blind guides leading the blind, they neglected justice, mercy, and faith in their zeal to be thought of as enlightened.  The Pharisees were greedy and self-indulgent, they were dead inside rather than alive.  They were impure hypocrites that live lawless lives.  They were just like their forefathers who murdered the prophets and in so doing, they shared in the sins of their fathers. The Pharisees gave false testimony, plotted destruction, and demanded signs. They tested Jesus and avoided His teachings.  They were legalistic, doubters who sought excuses to judge, to reject Christ, and to argue. (Matthew 23; Matthew 12:23-25; Matthew 12:14; Matthew 12:38; Matthew 16:1; Matthew 22:15; Mark 7:3; Luke 5:21; Luke 6:7; Luke 7:30; John 8:3; John 11:57; Acts 23:7) 
   So by contrasting the way Jesus taught the people to live, as salt and light, in Love and truth, with the legalism and evil that is revealed by the law, Jesus teaching shows the beauty of His purpose for coming and the calling He places on our lives when we believe unto salvation.

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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2021, 04:33:20 pm »
Nah... not gonna play your silly game Lori.  You can flip and flop.  You can cut and paste.  You can mince, slice and dice... but-

THE PASSAGE-- the whole chapter, the beginning, the salt, the light, and everything that follows is given to highlight the difference between those that follow his teaching and those that follow those teachers of the law.  This and every parable.  "You have been taught.... BUT I SAY...."

The things you've claimed I said, what?  Five times now?  -I never said.  I never said the beatitudes were the law.  I never said the law was the salt.

I said the PASSAGE-- the whole thing... is ABOUT the law.  If you can't see it you can't see it.  And if you don't see it what it's about, why do you presume to teach others about things you don't see, much less understand?  You don't see because you won't look.  You don't understand because you won't consider.

So it is.
It seems to me that many men on this and other forums do not understand the difference between study and teaching. What Lori has done here is study and share with very little commentary (at the request of another poster). If you have a problem with her studying then admit it. However, I suggest that you reread Luke 10:38-42 where Jesus teaches Martha that learning from Him is better and it will not be taken from her. Too many men, in their pride desire to teach and presume that others want to teach as well. Lori simply wants to learn from Jesus and discuss with other believers His teaching. The entire Sermon on the Mount is about the law this is true but Lori states in her subject heading that she is studying parables of Jesus bit by bit. One of the basics of Exegesis is to begin in the pericope first and then move out to the broader context. If you do it the other way around you can read theology into a passage that is not discussed there but elsewhere. Just a hint by the way. It is much better to ask a question directly that you want to discuss rather than being obtuse about the intent of your fishing expedition.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2021, 06:19:39 am »
Nah... not gonna play your silly game Lori.  You can flip and flop.  You can cut and paste.  You can mince, slice and dice... but-

THE PASSAGE-- the whole chapter, the beginning, the salt, the light, and everything that follows is given to highlight the difference between those that follow his teaching and those that follow those teachers of the law.  This and every parable.  "You have been taught.... BUT I SAY...."

The things you've claimed I said, what?  Five times now?  -I never said.  I never said the beatitudes were the law.  I never said the law was the salt.

I said the PASSAGE-- the whole thing... is ABOUT the law.  If you can't see it you can't see it.  And if you don't see it what it's about, why do you presume to teach others about things you don't see, much less understand?  You don't see because you won't look.  You don't understand because you won't consider.

So it is.
It seems to me that many men on this and other forums do not understand the difference between study and teaching. What Lori has done here is study and share with very little commentary (at the request of another poster). If you have a problem with her studying then admit it. However, I suggest that you reread Luke 10:38-42 where Jesus teaches Martha that learning from Him is better and it will not be taken from her. Too many men, in their pride desire to teach and presume that others want to teach as well. Lori simply wants to learn from Jesus and discuss with other believers His teaching. The entire Sermon on the Mount is about the law this is true but Lori states in her subject heading that she is studying parables of Jesus bit by bit. One of the basics of Exegesis is to begin in the pericope first and then move out to the broader context. If you do it the other way around you can read theology into a passage that is not discussed there but elsewhere. Just a hint by the way. It is much better to ask a question directly that you want to discuss rather than being obtuse about the intent of your fishing expedition.
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No, it was requested I do the study, I refuse to do a study with a lot of commentary since I want to know what God is telling us not what man thinks.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2021, 10:47:52 am »

The Condition of the Heart…

Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to our ancestors,[e] Do not murder,[f] and whoever murders will be subject to judgment. 22 But I tell you, everyone who is angry with his brother[g] will be subject to judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Fool!’[h] will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You moron!’ will be subject to hellfire. 23 So if you are offering your gift on the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Reach a settlement quickly with your adversary while you’re on the way with him, or your adversary will hand you over to the judge, the judge to[j] the officer, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 I assure you: You will never get out of there until you have paid the last penny![k]

   After Jesus taught the people that He was the fulfillment of the law and that they too need to live out the law as a reflection of their faith, He decides to continue teaching on the law.  There are a lot of arguments about which law we are to obey.  So let’s briefly talk about the different laws talked about in scripture. 
The Law of sin and death.  Romans 8
The Mosaic Law.  Deuteronomy 21-23
The Ten Commandments.  Exodus 20
The New Testament Law of Love.  Romans 13:8-10; Galatians 5:14; Matthew 7:12; John 13:34; James 2:8
The command to not murder is found in the Ten Commandments Deuteronomy 5:17 and Exodus 20:13.  This reference makes it clear that the law Jesus is referring to here is the Ten Commandments.  As Jews, the people would not only be familiar with the law but it would have been a large part of their education.  So when Jesus teaches, “you have heard it said,” they would have immediately recognized it as not just a saying but the law itself.
   After reminding the people of the law and the ancestry from which the law came to them, Jesus clarifies the law for them.  It isn’t just murder that is wrong, but murder that is the very heart of what you desire.  (Genesis 6:5; Genesis 8:21; Matthew 15:19)  Man needs a new heart, a clean heart. (Romans 10:9-10; Psalms 37)  All too often, the church teaches belief without explaining that the belief that saves is indeed a belief of the heart.  If evil resides in our hearts, it is replacing that evil with God’s Love that holds the power.  (Proverbs 4:23; Proverbs 23:19; Deuteronomy 4:9; II Kings 10:31; Matthew 12:34; Matthew 15:18-19; Luke 6:45)  It often helps me to understand what this means by thinking about the difference between setting your mind to something versus setting your heart to the thing.  Setting your heart to something is a greater commitment that consumes your whole being whereas setting your mind to something is less of a commitment, less of a covenant. 
   To further illustrate the point, Jesus compares murder (the action) to the feeling of anger.  Anger here is not just being mad, it is the kind of anger that plots and desires evil.  God, Himself gets angry. (Matthew 18:34)  The problem is that man’s anger does not lead to righteousness.  (James 1:19-21) We all have emotions, anger being an emotion is something that will happen now and again but in that anger, we are not to sin. (Ephesians 4:26)  It seems clear from scripture that anger itself is not sin but in anger, we often sin. 
   The point Jesus is making is not about anger but about unchecked anger that leads us into sins. Not just unchecked anger but anger without cause.  But sin always begins with the desires of the heart.  (James 1:14-15; Genesis 3:6)  Since sin begins in the heart even entertaining desires like anger and adultery is sinful because it opens the door for even greater evils. (Matthew 5:22 and Matthew 5:28)  The god of this world uses our lustful desires to try to entice but to sin. (II Corinthians 4:4; I John 2:16)  This is a big deal because even calling someone a fool/moron is a sinful act that shows anger to the degree of murder.  When I looked into these two words I found something curious.  The first word, Racca or in the HCSB fool, means idiot, empty-headed, senseless, and worthless.  I think the word worthless gives us a huge clue as to why this is a big deal since God found us to be so valuable that it cost Jesus His life.  In essence, you are taking away the value God gave the person from the very beginning.  (Matthew 6:26; Matthew 10:31; Matthew 12:12 and 23; Luke 12:24)  The result will be judgment...but not just any old judgment, a judgment equivalent to that which you gave to your brother.  Judgment is God’s alone, not ours.  (Matthew 7:1; Luke 6:37; Romans 2:1; Romans 14:10; and 13; I Corinthians 4:5; James 4:11)
   By the same token, if we in our anger call a brother Moros, in the HCSB Moron we are in danger of hellfire.   Moros meaning foolish but what I found interesting is that it includes the understanding of something that is godless, those that neglect and despise what relates to salvation, an expression of condemnation.  In other words, you are issuing condemnation to the person.  Remember all this is happening to the brother we are angry with for no reason.  The same word is used in Matthew 7:26 when talking about building our house upon the sand.  (Matthew 23:17; Matthew 25:2-8; I Corinthians 1:27)
   The answer is to forgive but more than just forgiving, (Matthew 6:14-15; Matthew 18:35; Matthew 11:25; Luke 6:37; Ephesians 4:32; Colossians 3:13)  reconcile so that God can and will accept your offering. (II Corinthians 5:11-21; Romans 5:10-11; Colossians 1:22)  This is such a big deal that Jesus tells us we are not even worthy to make our sacrifices to God while this anger still separates us from our brother, while our anger separates us because of unforgiveness and reconciliation.

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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2021, 11:36:32 am »
I've been having computer problems so I will stay on it as best I can as long as anyone is interested, .this portion offers a lot of scripture on how to avoid sin, especially sexual sin.


The Condition of the Heart Continued…


Matthew 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, Do not commit adultery.[l] 28 But I tell you, everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to go into hell!


“As you have heard”...Jesus is continuing to teach on the law, but not just the law but the correct understanding of the law. If you remember, earlier in this study we saw the contrast between what Jesus was teaching about the law and the legalism of the Pharisees. Here Jesus continues the teaching that following, obedience to the law isn’t about the dos and don’t but about the change in heart that comes when we are restored to the image of God that sin stole from us. His first teaching hereon the condition of the heart was about murder.

A brief look at a beautiful woman can cause a man to allow his thoughts to venture into a fantasy world where he desires the woman for his own. When that woman is not his bride, the heart of the law is that the man is committing adultery. This brings us to the first line of defense we have against falling into the sin of adultery in our thoughts. Sin begins with evil desires (James 1:14-15) therefore we need a change of heart, a change that removes evil desires and replaces them with godly ones. This change begins with changing our perspective from the flesh to the spirit through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Psalms 37:4; Psalms 145:19;Philippians 3:19; Romans 8:5; Galatians 5:17) The process of controlling our thoughts begins with renewing our minds in Christ. (Psalms 51:10-12; Romans 12:2; Ephesians 4:23) It is a process of taking our thoughts captive before they can become sin. (II Corinthians 10:5) But it isn’t enough to just take our thoughts captive, we need to replace those thoughts that lead to sin with the things above. (Colossians 10:5) These are not the things that life is a bed of roses, but rather the things of God, goodness, purity, etc. (Philippians 4:8)

After we take our thoughts captive, let us consider contentment. Ezekiel 16:29-31 tells us about another instance of condemnation when Jerusalem engaged in tawdry affairs. But even that did not satisfy the desires of the flesh that they were trying to satisfy. The people needed to learn what Paul learned, to be content with what they have been given. (Philippians 4:11-12; I Timothy 6:6) When our hearts and minds are renewed and focused on God, the evil desires fade away.

Another aspect of learning to follow the heart of the law when it comes to the inward man is to crucify the old man, the sinful desires. (Galatians 5:24; Romans 6:6; Galatians 2:20; Galatians 6:14; Colossians 3:5) It is a cutting away of sinful desires. (Colossians 2:11) It happens when we abstain from sexual desires, (I Peter 2:11) yield ourselves to God, (Romans 12:11) to put on Christ, and make no efforts to indulge in the desires of the flesh. (Romans 13:9-14; Galatians 5:16; Titus 2:12) Abstaining from sexual sin is about fleeing that temptation. Sexual immorality is a sin against our own bodies (I Corinthians 6:18)

With sexual sins being sins against our own bodies it is no wonder that it is a big deal to God. We as His temple, His possession, His body, make sexual sins especially problematic to our Christian walk. (I Corinthians 6:13-19; I Thessalonians 4:3) Unfortunately, adultery is also equated to that which leads to idol worship. (Ezekiel 6:9) but is it also not a problem related to only men or to heterosexual relations or when still married. (Proverbs 6:25; Romans 1:27; Luke 16:18) Maybe one of the least talked about but very important aspects of the Christian life is learning to be self-controlled. Self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit but it is also something we are to work on and learn in our everyday lives. (Galatians 5:22-23;Acts 24:25; I Corinthians 7:5-9;I Corinthians 9:25; Titus 2:6; II Peter 1:5-7; II Timothy 3:2-4) Jesus packs so much in so little that it is hard to find all the tidbits of truth but one thing is for sure, Jesus when He taught, taught with an authority that amazed the people. (Matthew 7:29)
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2021, 05:31:34 pm »
Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in.  Lori can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.

Maybe you will have better luck.
Be careful...I did NOT say that the law was NOT mentioned, I DID say that the parable of the salt is directed at the disciples being the salt of the earth, not the law as you ascribed to.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2021, 09:36:49 pm »
Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in.  Lori can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.

Maybe you will have better luck.
Be careful...I did NOT say that the law was NOT mentioned, I DID say that the parable of the salt is directed at the disciples being the salt of the earth, not the law as you ascribed to.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2021, 11:26:01 am »
Oaths...
Matthew 5:33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to our ancestors,] You must not break your oath, but you must keep your oaths to the Lord.  34 But I tell you, don’t take an oath at all: either by heaven, because it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, because it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither should you swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37 But let your word ‘yes’ be ‘yes,’ and your ‘no’ be ‘no.’[q] Anything more than this is from the evil one.

    I do not think it is a coincidence that Jesus goes from teaching about divorce straight into a teaching about making oaths.  God takes truth seriously but He also takes oaths and covenants seriously.  So an oath according to definition is a solemn promise usually with a divine witness.  By contrast, a covenant in scripture is a legally binding agreement.  The teaching here is about oaths not covenants, iow’s an oath is not a legally binding agreement that falls under different rules.  But we will see in a moment, not so different.
   The law teaches that we are not to break an oath.  Sounds good, right?! But Jesus who is teaching the intent of the law says this, “don’t take an oath at all:”  That might seem harsh.  Don’t make a solemn promise at all?  What could possibly be wrong with giving a solemn promise to do something, especially if it is something for someone else.  Jesus reasoning seems a little odd to me, He says the reason is because  by heaven, because it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, because it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King.  Okay, so God owns the heaven’s, the earth, and even Jerusalem, but what if I make a solemn oath or promise that isn’t about God at all?  Jesus continues, 36 Neither should you swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black.  Now we are getting to the heart of what I discovered in the teaching.  It is not in our power to fulfill such a promise. 
   There is a great debate in the church about whether or not God is sovereign or whether or not that sovereignty means that every aspect of our lives is controlled by God.  We read passages like Proverbs 16:9 (HCSB) A man's heart plans his way, but the LORD determines his steps. And wonder if we have any say in how our lives will go.  God definitely has plans and those plans will not be thwart. (Isaiah 46:11; Numbers 23:19; Isaiah 14:24; Isaiah 48:14: Job 42:2; Job 25:2; Daniel 4:35) This gives us part of the reason we are not to make oaths or solemn promises, because we cannot overturn or override what God is going to do in us and through us. The other part is that God is our witness. (Genesis 31:49; Deuteronomy 6:13; Deuteronomy 10:20; I Samuel 20:23; Matthew 5:33) With all authority being Christ’s (Matthew 28:18) and God being both witness and guide we should have enough reason to not make solemn oaths that we may or may not be able to follow through with.  In fact, He ends by saying, let your yes be yes and your no be no.  In other words, make sure that you are true to your words and allow God to have the rest.
   The teaching is rounded out with an understanding from James. James 4 13-17 teaches that since we don’t know what will happen tomorrow, qne since Luke 12:25 teaches that we can’t change our lives, then we need to say, “If God wills I will>” rather than saying I will do this or that. When we understand that our lives are but a vapor, (James 4:13-17; Psalms 39:5) and that God has all authority, (Romans 13:1; Matthew 11:27; John 3:35) we can have no reason or right to make oaths.  If we let our yes be yes and our no be no, in other words, speak truth, we are indeed Loving according to I Corinthians 13 Love, thus fulfilling the law.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2021, 12:28:39 pm »
The second mile…
Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.39 But I tell you, don’t resist an evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 As for the one who wants to sue you and take away your shirt,let him have your coat as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
   The first verse gives us a clue as to what Jesus is talking about here.  Many people want to turn this into a thread demanding all believers be pacifists but that is not what Jesus is talking about here.  An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is about vengeance.  Again, this teaching comes straight out of the law.  (Leviticus 24:19-21) The law required that the offender repay the one injured.  In fact, retribution is not just about what was taken but interest as well. (Proverbs 6:31)   Remember, Jesus is teaching the law in a way that the people had never heard before.  He is teaching the intent of the law.  By talking about vengeance, we must keep our understanding to that principle.
   The evil doer here is the one that desires to do harm, not that which is accidental. So if someone intends harm to you, we are not to resist them.  This does not mean as some teach, that we cannot defend ourselves but rather that we are not to set ourselves against the one who is desiring to do us harm.  Think here of two aspects of someone wanting to do us harm, let’s say that someone is trying to steal from us.  First we are not to stand against them, in other words, not do something to continue the anger and hostility that is bringing the evil into our lives.  Secondly, we are not to retaliate.  So let’s see it in scripture.
   If God is giving us the words to speak which is consistent with the working of the Holy Spirit within our lives, then our adversaries will have no rebuttal. (Luke 21:15; Acts 6:10; Romans 9:19)  The resisting we are to do is the spiritual resisting that results when we put on the full armor of God. (Ephesians 6:13) Since our battle is not physical, our reaction to it should be spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) Likewise we are to resist the devil. (James 4:7)  We are not to resist God and the things of God. (Romans 13:2; II Timothy 4:15; I Peter 5:9)
   To understand Jesus better, we can look at the idea of revenge.  We are not to take revenge on those who do us wrong. Vengeance is best left to God. (Proverbs 20:22; Proverbs 24:29; Proverbs 12:17; Proverbs 12:19)  To go a step further, Jesus talks about how we are not to sue each other.  Suing someone in court is to take the issues between brothers to unbelievers for their judgment.  Instead, if we have an unresolved issue with a brother, we are to allow the church to judge.  (Matthew 18; I Corinthians 6:1-11)  John 18:19-24 gives us a beautiful picture of the heart of the law in the case of turning the other cheek.  It is the fullness of time and the final days of Jesus' earthly life are about to come to an end.  He is taken before Annas and there questioned when He answers, one of the guards responds with a slap to His face.  Jesus responded, “23 “If I have spoken wrongly, give evidence about the wrong; but if rightly, why do you hit Me?”  Jesus did not resist, He simply spoke truth in Love.
   To further clarify the context of Jesus teaching here, we come to verse 40 and 41 where Jesus is talking about someone demanding your cloak. (Luke 6:29-30; Proverbs 6:30-31)  Often when studyingI think of real life examples of a Biblical truth.  This is one such time.  Brian was in seminary and we were barely surviving financially.  We had 3 small boys and our only car broke down.  We were stuck.  A friend who was also in seminary and not well off had just sold her old car and bought a newer one.  Finding out our situation (we live in an area where vehicles are pretty much a necessity) she bought back her old car and gifted it to us.  We didn’t ask for it or demand it but the heart of that dear friend is the same heart we are talking about here.  The heart of giving out of Love.  Love puts the other person above the interest of one Loving another.  Love is going the extra mile, it is giving even when it is hard or inconvenient.  Love does not retaliate but instead, Love helps the one who desires to do evil by providing for him what he needs.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2021, 10:17:36 pm »
The second mile…
Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 39 But I tell you, don’t resist an evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 As for the one who wants to sue you and take away your shirt, let him have your coat as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
   The first verse gives us a clue as to what Jesus is talking about here.  Many people want to turn this into a thread demanding all believers be pacifists but that is not what Jesus is talking about here.  An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is about vengeance.  Again, this teaching comes straight out of the law.  (Leviticus 24:19-21) The law required that the offender repay the one injured.  In fact, retribution is not just about what was taken but interest as well. (Proverbs 6:31)   Remember, Jesus is teaching the law in a way that the people had never heard before.  He is teaching the intent of the law.  By talking about vengeance, we must keep our understanding to that principle.
   The evil doer here is the one that desires to do harm, not that which is accidental. So if someone intends harm to you, we are not to resist them.  This does not mean as some teach, that we cannot defend ourselves but rather that we are not to set ourselves against the one who is desiring to do us harm.  Think here of two aspects of someone wanting to do us harm, let’s say that someone is trying to steal from us.  First we are not to stand against them, in other words, not do something to continue the anger and hostility that is bringing the evil into our lives.  Secondly, we are not to retaliate.  So let’s see it in scripture.
   If God is giving us the words to speak which is consistent with the working of the Holy Spirit within our lives, then our adversaries will have no rebuttal. (Luke 21:15; Acts 6:10; Romans 9:19)  The resisting we are to do is the spiritual resisting that results when we put on the full armor of God. (Ephesians 6:13) Since our battle is not physical, our reaction to it should be spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) Likewise we are to resist the devil. (James 4:7)  We are not to resist God and the things of God. (Romans 13:2; II Timothy 4:15; I Peter 5:9)
   To understand Jesus better, we can look at the idea of revenge.  We are not to take revenge on those who do us wrong. Vengeance is best left to God. (Proverbs 20:22; Proverbs 24:29; Proverbs 12:17; Proverbs 12:19)  To go a step further, Jesus talks about how we are not to sue each other.  Suing someone in court is to take the issues between brothers to unbelievers for their judgment.  Instead, if we have an unresolved issue with a brother, we are to allow the church to judge.  (Matthew 18; I Corinthians 6:1-11)  John 18:19-24 gives us a beautiful picture of the heart of the law in the case of turning the other cheek.  It is the fullness of time and the final days of Jesus' earthly life are about to come to an end.  He is taken before Annas and there questioned when He answers, one of the guards responds with a slap to His face.  Jesus responded, “23 “If I have spoken wrongly, give evidence about the wrong; but if rightly, why do you hit Me?”  Jesus did not resist, He simply spoke truth in Love.
   To further clarify the context of Jesus teaching here, we come to verse 40 and 41 where Jesus is talking about someone demanding your cloak. (Luke 6:29-30; Proverbs 6:30-31)  Often when studying I think of real life examples of a Biblical truth.  This is one such time.  Brian was in seminary and we were barely surviving financially.  We had 3 small boys and our only car broke down.  We were stuck.  A friend who was also in seminary and not well off had just sold her old car and bought a newer one.  Finding out our situation (we live in an area where vehicles are pretty much a necessity) she bought back her old car and gifted it to us.  We didn’t ask for it or demand it but the heart of that dear friend is the same heart we are talking about here.  The heart of giving out of Love.  Love puts the other person above the interest of one Loving another.  Love is going the extra mile, it is giving even when it is hard or inconvenient.  Love does not retaliate but instead, Love helps the one who desires to do evil by providing for him what he needs.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

 

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